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Is it really worth all that??

my opinion: not at all...

read the review:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8593

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In a word...no.

Reply to Anoobis
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Not for $250+ more.

Reply to kaotao

nV is taking advantage of their dominance in the high end gpu sector. The economic vacuum created by Amd missing in action is huge and Nvidia is taking advantage of that. nV is basically ripping everyone off with this card.

Reply to desidude006

Not even close. No value to this at all.

Reply to prozac26

Its the same question as "is a Ferrari worth the money". If you want and can afford the best then yes, if you are sensible or poor (like me) then no. People will buy these for kudos.

Reply to malphadour

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nV is taking advantage of their dominance in the high end gpu sector. The economic vacuum created by Amd missing in action is huge and Nvidia is taking advantage of that. nV is basically ripping everyone off with this card.



Yeah and because of that vacuum they decided to rush the Ultra out at a ridiculous price no one would buy, just at the time the R600 launches. Doesn't sound like there will be a vacuum by the time you can buy one.

But for those who like to imagine that nV is launching something new every 6 months they need this card for PR purposes, so here's their 6 month product launch, just don't expect to see any ro anyone non-nVidia related pretend this is anything new. Heck they didn't even upgrade the memory or anything at least the GF7800Ultra was a physical change.

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I think that was decided a no since the card was rumored.

Reply to pchoi04

If the 2900XT is released on the 14th, releasing this 8800Ultra with nothing more than some increased clockspeed is a marvellously cheap way for Nvidia to have a go at crowing about the new card beating ATI.

Good marketing tactics - it doesn't really matter if many people buy them because they've cost bugger all extra to introduce.

Reply to The_Abyss

Overall, no. Then again, people will buy it for bragging rights.

Reply to runswindows95
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Oh my not another should I buy this post...

It's not worth it... you can buy 2x8800GTS

Reply to NaDa
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Performance increase is mediocre. I think the only reason we're seeing an Ultra is because the XTX 2900 allegedly couldn't compete with the GTX and was suspended from release.

My guess is we'll see the 8900 / 8950 (if still called that) sometime around the release of the XTX. There's no incentive for Nvidia to release new cards when they have the market in the bag.

Also, with DX10.1 upon us, I wouldn't pay lots of money for a DX10 card as from what I've read, DX10.1 requires an upgraded card design (again!).

So, until then my monies staying in my pocket.

Reply to Alsone
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Surely anyone with a decent amount of money to burn or going for bragging rights already has at least one 8800gtx, if theyve only got one they will be looking at a bigger hike in performance by getting a second one and going SLI, If theyve already got 2 are they going to pay for 2x8800ultras for the small headroom? Thats a LOT of money for a very minor upgrade.

If someones stretched for money building their new system they'd be a mug to go for this card instead of more ram or a better processor or a disk upgrade.

No doubt there will be a few takers. But come upgrade time in October Im more likelly to look at a second 8800gtx as the most economical way to push my performance.

I am also thinking if this is a minor silicon refresh that allows more overclocking headroom, will this silicon find its way into the standard 8800GTX? will Nvidia be making two different G80 cores at once, or will the GTX quietly get the same silicon before too long?

Reply to dtq

It's obviously unanimous around the net that the Ultra is way overpriced. This is a ridiculous post.

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Oh my not another should I buy this post...

It's not worth it... you can buy 2x8800GTS



lol....where in that did i mention i was going to buy it? :P

I was just posting a valid review...which hadnt been posted in this forums yet. Also, note that i myself said no its not worth it, so why would i want to get one :roll: some people just dont see the bigger picture.. :roll:

the only other performance review here was one of a 8800GTX being oc'd to the ultra specs.

Reply to blade85
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It's obviously unanimous around the net that the Ultra is way overpriced. This is a ridiculous post.



and as for that the ultra is selling for the same price the GTX was in the UK, so for some UK spendthrifts this is just as costly as the GTX was at its launch..and look how many of those sold.

I was just posting the information, nothing more :P

If you dont like...dont post.

Reply to blade85

useless...i would rather buy 8800 GTX and overclock it myself...

Reply to baligavinod
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It's obviously unanimous around the net that the Ultra is way overpriced. This is a ridiculous post.



and as for that the ultra is selling for the same price the GTX was in the UK, so for some UK spendthrifts this is just as costly as the GTX was at its launch..and look how many of those sold.

I was just posting the information, nothing more :P

If you dont like...dont post.

I brought my 8800GTX early December for just £340 a quick look through my normal sites is telling me this card starts for £500 for £100 more I can get 2x8800GTX's today.

Reply to dtq

If i had the money then yes it is worth it :)

Reply to slashzapper
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Is it really worth all that??

my opinion: not at all...



:D I've said it before, and I will say it again. The 8800 Ultra is only for the very rich, or the very stupid.

Reply to Glacier
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Is the performance edge of a QX6800 worth twice as much as an Q6600?
People buy 1000$ cpus, why not 800$ graphics?
If you want the cherry on top it's always at a premium.

Personaly i think everything above 400$ for 1 component is insane.
But then again I bought a 24inch LCD for 1000$.

The better question would be "What should NVIDIA have offered for the 250$ price premium over the GTX to make it interesting?"

650MHz factory clock?
Software shader overclocking?
No warranty void on overclocking?

Reply to Andrius
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For me I think a £200 price premium which is what we are looking at in the UK I would be wanting a 25-30% performance increase over the previous top card.

Reply to dtq
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I brought my 8800GTX early December for just £340 a quick look through my normal sites is telling me this card starts for £500 for £100 more I can get 2x8800GTX's today.



where do u get 2X8800 GTX for £600?? The cheapest i can find is about £340 going upto £520 for the watercooled option.

Reply to blade85
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Surely anyone with a decent amount of money to burn or going for bragging rights already has at least one 8800gtx, if theyve only got one they will be looking at a bigger hike in performance by getting a second one and going SLI.



SLI is cpu limited though that why often you see small gains only.

DX10.1 is quite a big revision focused on producing cinematic quality and higher performance. Check out the MS site for details.

Reply to Alsone
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I brought my 8800GTX early December for just £340 a quick look through my normal sites is telling me this card starts for £500 for £100 more I can get 2x8800GTX's today.



where do u get 2X8800 GTX for £600?? The cheapest i can find is about £340 going upto £520 for the watercooled option.

http://www.dabs4work.com/productvi [...] ,402350000

If you are a business customer you can get a discount to below the £300 list price by calling your account manager :D.

Reply to dtq

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Is the performance edge of a QX6800 worth twice as much as an Q6600?
People buy 1000$ cpus, why not 800$ graphics?
If you want the cherry on top it's always at a premium.

Personaly i think everything above 400$ for 1 component is insane.
But then again I bought a 24inch LCD for 1000$.

The better question would be "What should NVIDIA have offered for the 250$ price premium over the GTX to make it interesting?"

650MHz factory clock?
Software shader overclocking?
No warranty void on overclocking?

1) The 8800Ultra has a 612MHz factory clock
2) The core to shader speed ratio isn't written in stone, and could be changed with the right software
3) eVga's warranty covers overclocking as long as the card is not visibly damaged or missing parts.

Sure you would need a volt mod to hit the memory speeds of an 8800Ultra, but it doesn't matter as that little extra bit of memory bandwidth won't show for anything, even in SYNTHETIC benchmarks.

Reply to Heyyou27
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I brought my 8800GTX early December for just £340 a quick look through my normal sites is telling me this card starts for £500 for £100 more I can get 2x8800GTX's today.



where do u get 2X8800 GTX for £600?? The cheapest i can find is about £340 going upto £520 for the watercooled option.

http://www.dabs4work.com/productvi [...] ,402350000

If you are a business customer you can get a discount to below the £300 list price by calling your account manager :D.

buisness eh? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

The link you gave is excluding VAT, so yeah it works out the same then, about £340 for the cheapest possible 8800GTX

found the ultra for £400 (exc VAT....damn that VAT!): http://www.dabs4work.com/productvi [...] nKey=11137
and
http://www.dabs4work.com/productvi [...] nKey=11137

Reply to blade85

No it's not, unless you have the money to burn and want to claim bragging rights.
But it is a brillant marketing strategy at precisely the right time.
If they wanted it to become a mainstream product, it would be priced $80-$120 above the GTX.
It's meant to keep Nvidia's name as king of the GPU market, and sell more 8800gtx's. That is all it is meant to do right now.
How many threads have you already seen like "I'll just buy another 8800gtx and SLI them". Or, the "8800gtx is ONLY 10-15% slower and still better than any other card availble". The 8800gtx cards are maturing, the manufacturing process is becoming more profitable. Releasing a new top of the line card with an huge price tag is exactly the right move to ensure they are postioned solidly.

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1) The 8800Ultra has a 612MHz factory clock
2) The core to shader speed ratio isn't written in stone, and could be changed with the right software
3) eVga's warranty covers overclocking as long as the card is not visibly damaged or missing parts.

Sure you would need a volt mod to hit the memory speeds of an 8800Ultra, but it doesn't matter as that little extra bit of memory bandwidth won't show for anything, even in SYNTHETIC benchmarks.



1) It should have been alot higher for such a price premium (MO).
2) From what I know it's a bios "hack"?
3) That is a partner specific warranty (not important I know) but it was just a thought. Voltage mods would void your warranty even with EVGA.

I think the overclocked watercooled edition from BFG is far more attractive from a performance point of view :D

Reply to Andrius
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No it's not, unless you have the money to burn and want to claim bragging rights.
But it is a brillant marketing strategy at precisely the right time.
If they wanted it to become a mainstream product, it would be priced $80-$120 above the GTX.
It's meant to keep Nvidia's name as king of the GPU market, and sell more 8800gtx's. That is all it is meant to do right now.
How many threads have you already seen like "I'll just buy another 8800gtx and SLI them". Or, the "8800gtx is ONLY 10-15% slower and still better than any other card availble". The 8800gtx cards are maturing, the manufacturing process is becoming more profitable. Releasing a new top of the line card with an huge price tag is exactly the right move to ensure they are postioned solidly.



You might well be spot on there. It makes the 8800GTX look better :D, just when people were complaining about the prices staying high on them suddenly they look like a bargain.

That effect combined with a nice spoiler for ATI, news and benchs out at a time when everyones still waiting for real news on the R600 and product available at the same time as the R600.

Might very well increase sales of the GTX Which has really got to be a cash cow at the moment. As well as breaking down price barriers for their next card which may then just be considered worth the money?

Reply to dtq
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One thing I read on a board a while ago (when the Ultra was rumored to cost $1000) said it best:

cost of PS3+XBOX360+Wii combined < cost of 8800 Ultra.

One more nail in the coffin of PC gaming.

I know it's overly simplistic, but the philosophy behind it is true.

Reply to ananan

Anyone who says PC gaming is going to die is retarded.

Reply to Gary_Busey
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The price of the hardware in the console is higher than the retail price.
The game sales are where the money is returned.

Since the xbox is (more or less) a PC, the statement that pcgaming is dead is even more absurd.

The advantage of consoles is the standard hardware configuration (makes game development alot easier and thus cheaper) so the profit margins are greater.

Reply to Andrius
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Of course PC gaming is not "dead". "A nail in the coffin" does not mean dead. Hell -there might be 10, 15, 150 nails to go.

I've been a PC gamer since my dad got me a TRS-80 model one when I was a kid. From text based adventures to FEAR and HL 2, I've been through and loved it all.

What have we come to? Buying $500+ GPUs to play a few worthy titles a year? For a lot of people ONE (Crysis).

There will always be enthusiasts (again - like me). But PC gaming as a mass market is not expanding. You can't turn a blind eye to that.

If the next gen of consoles takes over the MMORPG market (which I'm sure will be one of their next targets) that will be "another nail in the coffin". And so on.

Flaming everyone who has concerns about this (which is what usually happens) won't change a thing.

Reply to ananan
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There are only so many people in the world that are willing to make a PC their hobby. But it's easier for anyone to just buy a box and know that everything will play on it so a console is the easy way out. Xbox, ps3 have linux distributions so you can also use them for the usual PC stuff.

A high performance PC for gaming costs 4-8x more (less market share by default).

The only reason PC gaming is stalling is the dropping quality in games (MO). Take RTS games (old games had 15 mission story driven campaigns, now you get 6 do it all over again missions per side (supreme commander), paying 50$ for a game you finish in 2-3 days is lame).
The market for pc games is more problematic as most people willing to spend time and effort to put together a high performance computer expect "something more" from the games they play (eyecandy is not everything).

Sorry if you thought I was flaming you (my bad).
I just wanted to state what I think about PC gaming and the coffin remark.

Reply to Andrius

'Nail in the coffin' implies that PC gaming is on its way out, or will die soon, which I just don't see happening.

Reply to Gary_Busey

PC gaming is and always has been the place for people who want the best, and pay a premium for it. World of Warcraft alone has more paying subscribers than all of Xbox Live, and with exclusives like Crysis on the way, the PC isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Reply to Heyyou27
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great...another thread turned into a console vs pc :roll: :lol:

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