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Anonymous
December 7, 2004 8:27:13 PM

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I haven't been able to monitor this group for a while so perhaps this
question has been asked and answered, so forgive me. I've done a
Google search and came up empty.

Does reception of HDTV from a cable provider require the rental of
special equipment?? I have an RCA F38310 HDTV with an ATSC tuner and
am able to pick up 1 station over the air but that's it, as we live in
something of a black hole for TV reception.

Our local cable company (Charter Communications) offers HDTV for the
following channels: HD Net, HDNet Movies, ESPN HD, HBO HDTV-East,
Showtime HDTV-East, KARE-DT (NBC), KEYC-DT (CBS) and KMSP-DT (FOX).

I currently only subscribe to "Basic" cable with no cable tuner. Only
the tuner in the TV is used. I only want to receive the "Local"
channels (NBC, CBS & FOX), so should I be forced to purchase the HDTV
Tier for $3.99/month and have to pay for a HDTV Digital Receiver for
$6.95/month? I thought if a cable company provided you basic cable
that they had to pass through the HDTV channels too if they provided
HDTV as one of their services and that basic cable service should not
require the rental of equipment to receive these singals. Am I wrong?

I'd be interested in knowing what I'm entitled to as far as service
from the cable company. I've talked to several people at the cable
company, and all give me the same story...that I need to purchase the
above Tier and equipment.
Anonymous
December 7, 2004 11:41:35 PM

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In article <071220041727132799%heinrichg@hotmail.com>, Heinrich Galland
<heinrichg@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
<snip>

> I'd be interested in knowing what I'm entitled to as far as service
> from the cable company. I've talked to several people at the cable
> company, and all give me the same story...that I need to purchase the
> above Tier and equipment.

That sounds about right. You're not entitled to anything other than
what the cable company says. Is your tv intergrated? IOW is the ATSC
tuner built-in? If it is, maybe it's not robust enough to pickup your
local programming Try using an outdoor antenna if that's possible and
see if you can pickup any local stations in your area that broadcast in
HD. I don't have cable or sat but use my outdoor antenna and the
LST-4200A STB to get all of our local HD programming for free.

--
Deja Moo: I've seen this bullshit before.

My address has been anti-spammed.
Please reply to: scasse@invalid.net replacing invalid with sonic.
Anonymous
December 8, 2004 7:12:00 AM

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Heinrich Galland wrote:
>
> I haven't been able to monitor this group for a while so perhaps this
> question has been asked and answered, so forgive me. I've done a
> Google search and came up empty.
>
> Does reception of HDTV from a cable provider require the rental of
> special equipment?? I have an RCA F38310 HDTV with an ATSC tuner and
> am able to pick up 1 station over the air but that's it, as we live in
> something of a black hole for TV reception.
>
> Our local cable company (Charter Communications) offers HDTV for the
> following channels: HD Net, HDNet Movies, ESPN HD, HBO HDTV-East,
> Showtime HDTV-East, KARE-DT (NBC), KEYC-DT (CBS) and KMSP-DT (FOX).
>
> I currently only subscribe to "Basic" cable with no cable tuner. Only
> the tuner in the TV is used. I only want to receive the "Local"
> channels (NBC, CBS & FOX), so should I be forced to purchase the HDTV
> Tier for $3.99/month and have to pay for a HDTV Digital Receiver for
> $6.95/month? I thought if a cable company provided you basic cable
> that they had to pass through the HDTV channels too if they provided
> HDTV as one of their services and that basic cable service should not
> require the rental of equipment to receive these singals. Am I wrong?
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what I'm entitled to as far as service
> from the cable company. I've talked to several people at the cable
> company, and all give me the same story...that I need to purchase the
> above Tier and equipment.


I'm wondering about the Charter HD options too..... You must pay for
SD Digital..

All Cable Co TV programs require a QAM tuner .... Either Analog or

Digital.... Many of the newer Sony HDTVs have built in tuners....

such as: Analog(usually 2), Digital OTA, Digital QAM, & Cable
card.....

I just had delivered a Samsung T-451 Tuner with both Digital OTA &

Digital QAM....

Putting a T-451 tuner on a Cable line to the HD set..... Should
allow viewing

of all Digital (both SD & HD) QAM cable signals that are Not
encrypted.. ?

Such as local HD network channels put on Cable......

I have yet to run this test on a Charter Cable 'feed'.....
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Anonymous
December 8, 2004 9:18:01 AM

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I've seen posters on here claim that under law, cable companies cannot
charge extra for HD.
However, I've yet to see a reference that spells out exactly what the
law says.

All I can tell you is Cablevision, the largest operator in the NYC
area, requires that you have
their digital IO service to get HD. That service, which includes
things like movies on demand,
costs $9.95 more per month than the equivalent analog package.
Anonymous
December 8, 2004 10:44:52 AM

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Living in NJ I have to deal with Cablevision...they have two options -
the Cablecard (if your set supports it) - it would allow you to connect
the cable directly to the TV without the aid of a converter box. It
will not, however allow you to order pay-per-view etc. They also offer
a variety of converters...one of which has a built in DVR which will
actually record the HD signal! In my case if I subscribe to thier IO
(Interactive Optimum - basically their 'digital cable' package which
requires a converter) I get the HD channels at no extra charge
(provided you have an HDTV). A converter box runs appx. $5 a month.
The DVR also carries a charge of $10 a month.

Bottom line - if I subscribed to basic cable, I would not get HD
channels. If I subscribe to their digital cable package, I get the HD
channels at no extra charge.

Good luck,

--df
December 8, 2004 4:56:33 PM

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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:41:35 -0800, Otto Pylot
<otto@bogus.address.invalid> wrote:

>In article <071220041727132799%heinrichg@hotmail.com>, Heinrich Galland
><heinrichg@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
><snip>
>
>> I'd be interested in knowing what I'm entitled to as far as service
>> from the cable company. I've talked to several people at the cable
>> company, and all give me the same story...that I need to purchase the
>> above Tier and equipment.
>
>That sounds about right. You're not entitled to anything other than
>what the cable company says. Is your tv intergrated? IOW is the ATSC
>tuner built-in? If it is, maybe it's not robust enough to pickup your
>local programming Try using an outdoor antenna if that's possible and
>see if you can pickup any local stations in your area that broadcast in
>HD. I don't have cable or sat but use my outdoor antenna and the
>LST-4200A STB to get all of our local HD programming for free.

That may be fine for you but much of the HDTV content available is
premium channels.
Thumper
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December 9, 2004 2:12:25 AM

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Comcast in Ft Wayne Indiana makes you take premium service (extra)
digital cable (extra) and HD (extra) which makes it about $40 more
than my current 70 channel line up.... total, total rip off.... and
NOT ONE co-worker in my office pays the SAME BILL for the SAME
SERVICE... what one guy pays $140 for, another pays $35... anyway -
I bought an OTA receiver and all the networks are FREE each month!
I'm thinking about sending Comcast a check for $0 just to see what
they'd do...

Comcast now has the market cornered for Chicago Sports too....

On 8 Dec 2004 07:44:52 -0800, "stini777" <stini777@optonline.net>
wrote:

>Living in NJ I have to deal with Cablevision...they have two options -
>the Cablecard (if your set supports it) - it would allow you to connect
>the cable directly to the TV without the aid of a converter box. It
>will not, however allow you to order pay-per-view etc. They also offer
>a variety of converters...one of which has a built in DVR which will
>actually record the HD signal! In my case if I subscribe to thier IO
>(Interactive Optimum - basically their 'digital cable' package which
>requires a converter) I get the HD channels at no extra charge
>(provided you have an HDTV). A converter box runs appx. $5 a month.
>The DVR also carries a charge of $10 a month.
>
>Bottom line - if I subscribed to basic cable, I would not get HD
>channels. If I subscribe to their digital cable package, I get the HD
>channels at no extra charge.
>
>Good luck,
>
>--df
December 9, 2004 3:51:46 AM

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Me wrote:
> Comcast in Ft Wayne Indiana makes you take premium service (extra)
> digital cable (extra) and HD (extra) which makes it about $40 more
> than my current 70 channel line up.... total, total rip off.... and
> NOT ONE co-worker in my office pays the SAME BILL for the SAME
> SERVICE... what one guy pays $140 for, another pays $35... anyway -
> I bought an OTA receiver and all the networks are FREE each month!
> I'm thinking about sending Comcast a check for $0 just to see what
> they'd do...
>
> Comcast now has the market cornered for Chicago Sports too....
>
> On 8 Dec 2004 07:44:52 -0800, "stini777" <stini777@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Living in NJ I have to deal with Cablevision...they have two options -
>>the Cablecard (if your set supports it) - it would allow you to connect
>>the cable directly to the TV without the aid of a converter box. It
>>will not, however allow you to order pay-per-view etc. They also offer
>>a variety of converters...one of which has a built in DVR which will
>>actually record the HD signal! In my case if I subscribe to thier IO
>>(Interactive Optimum - basically their 'digital cable' package which
>>requires a converter) I get the HD channels at no extra charge
>>(provided you have an HDTV). A converter box runs appx. $5 a month.
>>The DVR also carries a charge of $10 a month.
>>
>>Bottom line - if I subscribed to basic cable, I would not get HD
>>channels. If I subscribe to their digital cable package, I get the HD
>>channels at no extra charge.
>>
>>Good luck,
>>
>>--df
>
>
I have a Mits with an integrated tuner. I subscribe to the Comcast basic
service for $13.95. I installed a splitter and connected one line to the
analog input and the other to the digital input. I did a channel scan
for digital stations and found all the local OTA HD stations. Sometimes
I can get some of the premium digital channels too but Comcast
constantly changes the frequencies. I re-scan when I loose the digital
premium channels. Sometimes I can find them again, sometimes not.
Anonymous
December 9, 2004 6:18:27 AM

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paul-NOZPAM@paulkienitz.net wrote:

> > I can get some of the premium digital channels too but Comcast
> > constantly changes the frequencies. I re-scan when I loose the
> digital
> > premium channels. Sometimes I can find them again, sometimes not.
> >From what others have said, it sounds like Comcast is letting HD
>
> content out in their basic service almost unintentionally --

Naarrrr, Google Groups™ is mangling the formats of the messages I
post... putting a blank line after the first line of my reply paragraph
when I definitely typed it before that line.
December 9, 2004 10:00:44 PM

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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 23:12:25 -0500, Me <Pkevinf@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>Comcast in Ft Wayne Indiana makes you take premium service (extra)
>digital cable (extra) and HD (extra) which makes it about $40 more
>than my current 70 channel line up.... total, total rip off....

How can it be a rip off? If you don't like the deal don't take it.
Thumper

> and
>NOT ONE co-worker in my office pays the SAME BILL for the SAME
>SERVICE... what one guy pays $140 for, another pays $35... anyway -
>I bought an OTA receiver and all the networks are FREE each month!
>I'm thinking about sending Comcast a check for $0 just to see what
>they'd do...
>
>Comcast now has the market cornered for Chicago Sports too....
>
>On 8 Dec 2004 07:44:52 -0800, "stini777" <stini777@optonline.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Living in NJ I have to deal with Cablevision...they have two options -
>>the Cablecard (if your set supports it) - it would allow you to connect
>>the cable directly to the TV without the aid of a converter box. It
>>will not, however allow you to order pay-per-view etc. They also offer
>>a variety of converters...one of which has a built in DVR which will
>>actually record the HD signal! In my case if I subscribe to thier IO
>>(Interactive Optimum - basically their 'digital cable' package which
>>requires a converter) I get the HD channels at no extra charge
>>(provided you have an HDTV). A converter box runs appx. $5 a month.
>>The DVR also carries a charge of $10 a month.
>>
>>Bottom line - if I subscribed to basic cable, I would not get HD
>>channels. If I subscribe to their digital cable package, I get the HD
>>channels at no extra charge.
>>
>>Good luck,
>>
>>--df

To reply drop XYZ in address
December 10, 2004 1:26:33 AM

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I should have been more clear...

It's a rip off compared to other areas which charge much less for the
HD content - and I didn't take it...

PLUS

I don't have a choice of gas, electric, water, garbage or CABLE but
the first four charge the SAME for their services but COMCAST does
not.. it varies - so some people are getting ripped off compared to
others...



>How can it be a rip off? If you don't like the deal don't take it.
>Thumper
>
December 10, 2004 2:49:07 AM

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:20:10 -0600, Tom <nexusthomas@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>My opinion is that if I'm paying for basic local over the air
>broadcasting, that should also include the FREE local over the air HD
>stations.

Whom do you think should pay for the expensive equipment to send you
this HD?
Thumper




>By law I think the FCC will no long license analog stations
>after a certain date. All new TV's purchased in the US will be required
>to have a digital tuner. If all local broadcasts switch to digital and
>HD, then I would consider local over the air digital HD basic service. I
>don't know if it varies from town to town but I believe that somewhere
>in the contract with some villages the cable company is obligated to
>provide a basic service at a reasonable cost. So, basic service becomes
>a matter of definition. How will will anyone that can not afford premium
>services be notified of a Weather or National Emergency if FREE OTA
>broadcasting is not available in a basic service package? I would have
>to suspect that all Cable companies are obligated by law to provide
>local OTA HD if and when it becomes available.

To reply drop XYZ in address
December 10, 2004 2:49:08 AM

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Thumper wrote:
Whom do you think should pay for the expensive equipment to send you
this HD?

Thumper

If you think computers were the boom of the 70's and 80's' just wait!
You will be buying new HD related stuff every year to replace the stuff
that will become obsolete in a year. Even Bill Gates is getting in on it
licensing his Window Media. The FCC will make a bundle licensing
frequencies too.

As far as WHO will pay for the equipment?.... They will just have to
sell more Levitra and Viagra commercials. Fortunately for me I don't
need either so I will not be a contributor. I just need a willing partner!
Anonymous
December 11, 2004 10:33:08 PM

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:00:44 GMT, Thumper <jaylsmithXYZ@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 23:12:25 -0500, Me <Pkevinf@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Comcast in Ft Wayne Indiana makes you take premium service (extra)
>>digital cable (extra) and HD (extra) which makes it about $40 more
>>than my current 70 channel line up.... total, total rip off....
>
>How can it be a rip off? If you don't like the deal don't take it.
>Thumper


I suppose slavery is alright with you too ?

Hey, they could always kill themselves if they don't like it ;) 
Anonymous
December 12, 2004 5:44:16 PM

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<yawn> wrote in message news:6renr09kjqdv4n2vo0bve6f0aqb0qhsohl@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:00:44 GMT, Thumper <jaylsmithXYZ@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 23:12:25 -0500, Me <Pkevinf@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Comcast in Ft Wayne Indiana makes you take premium service (extra)
>>>digital cable (extra) and HD (extra) which makes it about $40 more
>>>than my current 70 channel line up.... total, total rip off....
>>
>>How can it be a rip off? If you don't like the deal don't take it.
>>Thumper
>
>
> I suppose slavery is alright with you too ?
>
> Hey, they could always kill themselves if they don't like it ;) 

cable = slavery?

please!
Anonymous
December 20, 2004 5:55:25 PM

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 18:34:03 -0600, Tom <nexusthomas@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>.... I just need a willing partner!

Ahhh... there's the rub
!