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Not posted on the manufacturer groups because it's more relevant here...

Does anybody know if there's an adapter that permits the use of Dreamcast
controllers on the Gamecube? I ask because I'm finally committing some
spare time to PSO episode 2 and I'm finding the Gamecube controller
lacking in many ways. I haven't discovered anything available at retail
(at least, not presently) but if there's something official then that
keeps me from having to hack my own.

Any help is appreciated. Also, any thoughts on whether it's still worth
getting online for episodes 1 and 2 is a welcome topic for discussion as
well.

-KKC, insanely trying to develop a Fonewm. Very slow, not enough hit
points, but take the weapon out of his hands and the spells come very
fast. He needs more levels, and I ain't talking about the British
educational system either. :)
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kendrick@io.com wrote:
>Not posted on the manufacturer groups because it's more relevant here...
>
>Does anybody know if there's an adapter that permits the use of Dreamcast
>controllers on the Gamecube? I ask because I'm finally committing some
>spare time to PSO episode 2 and I'm finding the Gamecube controller
>lacking in many ways. I haven't discovered anything available at retail
>(at least, not presently) but if there's something official then that
>keeps me from having to hack my own.

As far as I know, there is no Dreamcast to Gamecube adapter. What seems to be
lacking about the GC controller?

>
>Any help is appreciated. Also, any thoughts on whether it's still worth
>getting online for episodes 1 and 2 is a welcome topic for discussion as
>well.

It is probably still worth going online. There won't be as many people as
there were when the game first came out, but that does have its benefits. You
are less likely to run into cheaters. Also, I believe Sonic Team just uploaded
Respective Tomorrow. It is the episode 2 version of Towards the Future (i.e. a
quest where you get to fight all of the bosses).

There are the Tower quests (which you can't access offline) and Challenge mode.
If you've never tried Challenge mode, I would recommend giving it a shot. It
is fun to do if you have a good crew and you can get some excellent prizes from
it.

You can also play Episode 3 with your Episode 1 & 2 Hunter's License.

>
>-KKC, insanely trying to develop a Fonewm. Very slow, not enough hit
>points, but take the weapon out of his hands and the spells come very
>fast. He needs more levels, and I ain't talking about the British
>educational system either. :)

With a little bit of preparation, FOnewms are very easy to get into Ultimate.
If you have the right equipment, you can be strolling through Ultimate Forest
at level 45. Their Rafoie bonus is also very handy for Ultimate.

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In article <20040714232154.26548.00001705@mb-m03.aol.com>,
PSORyna <psoryna@aol.com> wrote:
>kendrick@io.com wrote:
>>
>>Does anybody know if there's an adapter that permits the use of Dreamcast
>>controllers on the Gamecube? I ask because I'm finally committing some
>>spare time to PSO episode 2 and I'm finding the Gamecube controller
>>lacking in many ways. I haven't discovered anything available at retail
>
>As far as I know, there is no Dreamcast to Gamecube adapter. What seems to be
>lacking about the GC controller?

I've complained about the thing in the past a lot. :) My PSO-specific
complaint is that I can't change camera direction fast enough. On the
Dreamcast controller, you barely have to tap the L-trigger and you're
ready to zap off your techniques. On the Gamecube controller, you have to
press down the L-trigger at least 80 percent to achieve the same thing,
and the analog stick is always lagging behind (meaning the camera tries to
adjust before the direction change actually occurs.) Of course, this could
be a function of analog calibration rather than a peculiarity of the
controller, but if that's true then there's still no good method of
adjustment.

Wow, that was extraordinarily geeky. :)

>>Any help is appreciated. Also, any thoughts on whether it's still worth
>>getting online for episodes 1 and 2 is a welcome topic for discussion as
>>well.
>
>It is probably still worth going online. There won't be as many people as
>there were when the game first came out, but that does have its benefits. You
>are less likely to run into cheaters. Also, I believe Sonic Team just uploaded
<snippity>

Cool, this is a big plus. The Gamecube version is looking more and more
appealing, since there isn't any extra charge for the online service like
with Xbox Live. Also, the lack of voice communication is actually a
benefit in my book, given the average level of civility online... Anybody
who banks on the kindness and courtesy of human beings has never played an
online video game. And PSO is cooperative, not competitive.

>You can also play Episode 3 with your Episode 1 & 2 Hunter's License.

Oh yeah, episode 3 is competitive.

>>-KKC, insanely trying to develop a Fonewm. Very slow, not enough hit
>>points, but take the weapon out of his hands and the spells come very
>>fast. He needs more levels, and I ain't talking about the British
>>educational system either. :)
>
>With a little bit of preparation, FOnewms are very easy to get into Ultimate.
>If you have the right equipment, you can be strolling through Ultimate Forest
>at level 45. Their Rafoie bonus is also very handy for Ultimate.

I haven't been online to see for certain, but I get the impression that
the Fonewm is uniquely suited for party play. I've seen too many other
Force characters come into battle brandishing a firearm and having no
techniques on their shortcut buttons because they don't feel like they
contribute to the fight otherwise. A Fonewm could keep the healing coming
fast enough in a boss fight, and would keep a nice tenderizing border of
offensive techniques around a tight party.

-KKC, who thinks the next big console innovation will be support for
multiple video devices. That'd be useful for PSO multiplayer.
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kendrick@io.com (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) wrote in message news:<bsudnRFlOp7Df2jdRVn-gg@io.com>...
> Not posted on the manufacturer groups because it's more relevant here...
>
> Does anybody know if there's an adapter that permits the use of Dreamcast
> controllers on the Gamecube? I ask because I'm finally committing some
> spare time to PSO episode 2 and I'm finding the Gamecube controller
> lacking in many ways. I haven't discovered anything available at retail
> (at least, not presently) but if there's something official then that
> keeps me from having to hack my own.

I don't know of any adaptor for the DC controller nor do I know of a
similar controller made for the GC. Sorry that I can't help you there.
But, as a FO, you may want to get used to the GC controller because it
suits a FO much better than the DC controller because of the C-Stick
alone. You can access the Quick Select Tech menu and navigate it at
lightning speed. I'll get to that later.

>
> Any help is appreciated. Also, any thoughts on whether it's still worth
> getting online for episodes 1 and 2 is a welcome topic for discussion as
> well.

I haven't been on PSO in a very long time so I cannot answer that
either. :(

>
> -KKC, insanely trying to develop a Fonewm. Very slow, not enough hit
> points, but take the weapon out of his hands and the spells come very
> fast. He needs more levels, and I ain't talking about the British
> educational system either. :)


I posted this some time ago back when I was still playing PSO. I have
editted it some to fit your question and not so much the original post
I was answering.


Your MST is your most imporatnt stat so raise yourself a mind mag (I
raise mine up to 185 mind), equip mind units
and go techs only. FOnewm cast faster without weapons so don't even
use a weapon at all. Be sure
to learn each monsters weakness and use that tech against them.
Customize Rafoie, Rabarta and Gizonde to your top palette and Resta
along w/ anything non-offensive to your bottom (-mates, -fluids, Star
Atomizers, Deband, etc.). This way if you get in a bind you can
squeeze the right shoulder/trigger button and avoid the enemies easily
w/out slowing down when come close to them (like when you hit the
Start Button and you can run close to an enemy without slowing down,
only now you can see the entire screen). Now at least customize
Foie, Zonde & Barta to the top of the Quick Select menu and Grants,
Jellen to the bottom. You only need Jellen when playing offline
because you're not going to physically attack anything; techs only,
remember? So Zalure does nothing but waste TP when in offline play.
However, make sure you have Zalure customized at the bottom of your
Quick Select menu for online play and place it near Jellen to keep
similar techs together. If you're on the GC
version, using the Quick Select menu is super easy and you can cast
techs from that menu just as fast as you can if they were customized
to your palette.

This gives you access to all the techs you'll ever need and once you
know what the enmies weakness is, this will all become as easy as
chewing gum.

I have my FO set up as follows:

Top Palette: Rafoie, Rabarta, Gizonde
Bottom Palette: Deband, Trimates, Resta (I use Shifta in place of the
Trimates when online)

My Quick Select menu looks like this from the top:

Foie
Barta
Zonde
Gifoie
Gibarta

*all techs not used in-between top and bottom in no order*

And this at the bottom:

Razonde
Anti
Zalure
Jellen
Grants

You don't have to use this particular set-up but make sure you use the
same set-up every time you play so you don't have to think about where
anything is set. This should help you level faster and should make
things easier on your FO. learning each monsters weakness is one of
the most important things you can do as a FO.

Lastly, leveling offline until Lv80 (until ULT Mode online) or so will
be your fastest experience. Run through each level ONLY once and take
the shortest route possible because there's no need in clearing the
entire map. You might wanna clear the entire map in VH because that's
when some good items start dropping, but that is entirely up to you.
Be sure to activate all pillars on your way through the map on your
first pass. You can do this until you reach ULT CAVES (the CAVES are
rough because you'll be here at Lv40-45 or so). The continually run
ULT FOREST until the ULT CAVES get easy. ULT FOREST is incredibly easy
and you'll own this level even at Lv40 using techs only with high
MIND. Be sure to clear the entire ULT FOEST map. If you're having
trouble with the dragon boss, just quit game, and make another ULT
FOREST run. Once you get the dragon's pattern down, he will be a
cakewalk as well.

Also, I would recommend running the VH RUINS a few times because there
are many nice techs and materials that drop here. Speaking of
materials, realize that there is a cap for the amount of materials you
can use. A while ago I made a post detailing how many mats one should
use for each class to get them to as close to max stats as possible.
I'll search for it and repost it so keep an eye out for it. :)

Anyway, sorry I couldn't help about the controller, but hopefully I've
helped you out some on leveling tips for a FO. FOnewm are some real
badasses so enjoy laying waste to everything that moves. ;)
 
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kendrick@io.com wrote:

>>As far as I know, there is no Dreamcast to Gamecube adapter. What seems to
>be
>>lacking about the GC controller?
>
>I've complained about the thing in the past a lot. :) My PSO-specific
>complaint is that I can't change camera direction fast enough. On the
>Dreamcast controller, you barely have to tap the L-trigger and you're
>ready to zap off your techniques. On the Gamecube controller, you have to
>press down the L-trigger at least 80 percent to achieve the same thing,
>and the analog stick is always lagging behind (meaning the camera tries to
>adjust before the direction change actually occurs.) Of course, this could
>be a function of analog calibration rather than a peculiarity of the
>controller, but if that's true then there's still no good method of
>adjustment.

I used to have the L-Trigger problem with my old Gamecube Controller. You would
have to press it in all or almost all of the way to register the button press.
I picked up a new one a while ago and I barely have to press it now for it to
register.

Also, once you reach a certain level of proficiency, the camera really isn't to
big of a factor. You'll know how long it takes for each enemy to reach and
attack you.

>>You can also play Episode 3 with your Episode 1 & 2 Hunter's License.
>
>Oh yeah, episode 3 is competitive.

Episode 3 is as competitive as you want it to be. You can go online, team up
with friends, and just play against the COM. Otherwise, you have the option of
playing against other humans, which can be fun.
>
>>
>>With a little bit of preparation, FOnewms are very easy to get into
>Ultimate.
>>If you have the right equipment, you can be strolling through Ultimate
>Forest
>>at level 45. Their Rafoie bonus is also very handy for Ultimate.
>
>I haven't been online to see for certain, but I get the impression that
>the Fonewm is uniquely suited for party play. I've seen too many other
>Force characters come into battle brandishing a firearm and having no
>techniques on their shortcut buttons because they don't feel like they
>contribute to the fight otherwise. A Fonewm could keep the healing coming
>fast enough in a boss fight, and would keep a nice tenderizing border of
>offensive techniques around a tight party.

If you want to use a support Force, I would recommend either the FOnewearl or
FOmarl. The FOnewearl and FOmarl have godly Resta and Anti range. Also, the
FOmarl has great Shifta/Deband range. The FOnewm, on the other hand, does not
have any those bonuses. He is known as a "nuker". He walks into a room and
kills all the enemies in it with a few Rafoie casts. To bad techs don't work
quite as well online.

>
>-KKC, who thinks the next big console innovation will be support for
>multiple video devices. That'd be useful for PSO multiplayer.

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In article <dea761f8.0407151002.259a192a@posting.google.com>,
neo-the yellow gigasnowball zero <thegreatglacier@webtv.net> wrote:
>kendrick@io.com (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) wrote in message
>news:<bsudnRFlOp7Df2jdRVn-gg@io.com>...
>> Not posted on the manufacturer groups because it's more relevant here...
>>
>> Does anybody know if there's an adapter that permits the use of Dreamcast
>> controllers on the Gamecube? I ask because I'm finally committing some
>
>I don't know of any adaptor for the DC controller nor do I know of a
>similar controller made for the GC. Sorry that I can't help you there.
>But, as a FO, you may want to get used to the GC controller because it
>suits a FO much better than the DC controller because of the C-Stick
>alone. You can access the Quick Select Tech menu and navigate it at
>lightning speed. I'll get to that later.
<snip>

Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it. About the Quick Select menus? Aren't
those navigable both with the C stick and with the digital pad on the left
side? I thought that for purposes of those menus, they were equivalent. I
might be wrong... having been a PSO early adopter, I got used to the idea
of being limited to six action icons during battles. It's almost a
discpline at this point. :)

And thanks everybody for the suggestions. I think what I'm going to do at
this point is pull apart a Gamecube controller and see what sort of
decoder one of these things has in it. If the GC ports act at all like USB
ports, then I'll be considering the adventurous task of wiring up my own
adapter.

-KKC, watching too much daytime television.
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Neo wrote:

>I haven't been on PSO in a very long time so I cannot answer that
>either. :(

To bad you lost your way and migrated from PSO to Everquest and then to FF11.
=p

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psoryna@aol.com (PSORyna) wrote in message news:<20040715181504.19209.00001766@mb-m04.aol.com>...
> Neo wrote:
>
> >I haven't been on PSO in a very long time so I cannot answer that
> >either. :(
>
> To bad you lost your way and migrated from PSO to Everquest and then to FF11.
> =p
>

....and I'd give them both up to have played PSO GC for all this time.
I caught some cases of burn-out with PSO many times but it was nothing
a few days to a week long break couldn't remedy. EQOA was definately
very fun once I got into. All the Lore in the game (or game history)
was really cool and that is something I dig.

FF11 otoh leaves a lot to be desired. Yes I still play it but that's
only because EQOA is now dead beacuse everyone went to FF11 and I
can't play PSO. The game is gorgeous but the gameplay is total ass
because there is not enough action. It's fight one mob at a time and
you're screwed if you get an additional mob... for the most part. The
story is nice, but there are really only 10 times where the game
delves into the meat of the plot and those times are spaced at
incredibly long intervals... Okay, I'll quit ranting about FF11, lol


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kendrick@io.com (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) wrote in message news:<g5SdnSz_br3_SGvdRVn-vA@io.com>...
> In article <dea761f8.0407151002.259a192a@posting.google.com>,
> neo-the yellow gigasnowball zero <thegreatglacier@webtv.net> wrote:
> >kendrick@io.com (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) wrote in message
> >news:<bsudnRFlOp7Df2jdRVn-gg@io.com>...
> >> Not posted on the manufacturer groups because it's more relevant here...
> >>
> >> Does anybody know if there's an adapter that permits the use of Dreamcast
> >> controllers on the Gamecube? I ask because I'm finally committing some
> >
> >I don't know of any adaptor for the DC controller nor do I know of a
> >similar controller made for the GC. Sorry that I can't help you there.
> >But, as a FO, you may want to get used to the GC controller because it
> >suits a FO much better than the DC controller because of the C-Stick
> >alone. You can access the Quick Select Tech menu and navigate it at
> >lightning speed. I'll get to that later.
> <snip>
>
> Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it. About the Quick Select menus? Aren't
> those navigable both with the C stick and with the digital pad on the left
> side? I thought that for purposes of those menus, they were equivalent. I
> might be wrong... having been a PSO early adopter, I got used to the idea
> of being limited to six action icons during battles. It's almost a
> discpline at this point. :)

I don't really remember if you can use the d-pad to navigate the menu
or not. I don't think so, but I could be worng. I always used the
C-Stick because it's fast and the d-pad is really, really small on the
GC controller.

>
> And thanks everybody for the suggestions. I think what I'm going to do at
> this point is pull apart a Gamecube controller and see what sort of
> decoder one of these things has in it. If the GC ports act at all like USB
> ports, then I'll be considering the adventurous task of wiring up my own
> adapter.
>

I don't know if anyone ever managed to create an adaptor or even
converted a DC keyboard to work with the GC but I do remember someone
trying it out and getting very close to accomplishing it. Maybe you
can search the web for the DC>GC keyboard conversion and figure
something out. That info might be helpful. Good luck and let us know
how it turns out.

> -KKC, watching too much daytime television.
 
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Neo "The I Can't Go Back" Glacier wrote:
>..and I'd give them both up to have played PSO GC for all this time.

If you want, we can give the "Get Neo Online with his GC" thing another shot.
I'd join you for a month or so of PSO. There is still episode 2 challenge mode
left and the new quest sounds interesting.

::Wonders if Hell will freeze over and Seed will renew his Hunter's License. Of
course, that'll probably happen when Ethan decides to become a poet and Henry
gives up his wordly belongings to become a monk::

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Neo
>I don't really remember if you can use the d-pad to navigate the menu
>or not. I don't think so, but I could be worng. I always used the
>C-Stick because it's fast and the d-pad is really, really small on the
>GC controller.

If I remember correctly, you can use the DPad or the C-Stick for navigating the
menu. Although, I think the C-Stick was faster than the DPad.

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> ::Wonders if Hell will freeze over and Seed will renew his Hunter's
> License. Of course, that'll probably happen when Ethan decides to
> become a poet and Henry gives up his wordly belongings to become
> a monk::

Yeah, aside from my worldly belongings there's something else I'd
have to give up if I became a monk. ...And that ain't happenin' ;)


Henry LaPierre
freeza@ix.netcom.com

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Henry "I have roots here!" LaPierre wrote:
>Yeah, aside from my worldly belongings there's something else I'd
>have to give up if I became a monk. ...And that ain't happenin' ;)
>
>
>Henry LaPierre
>freeza@ix.netcom.com

Well in addition to becoming a poet, we could have Ethan give up all of his
wordly possessions and take a vow of "no more fist shaking or screaming." If
that won't work, RedFox can become the monk.

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> Well in addition to becoming a poet, we could have Ethan give up all of
his
> wordly possessions and take a vow of "no more fist shaking or screaming."
If
> that won't work, RedFox can become the monk.

That's a world only a terrifying deviant like you would want to live in
so it will never eeeeevvvveeeer happen!!!!

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Ethan Hammond wrote:
>That's a world only a terrifying deviant like you would want to live in
>so it will never eeeeevvvveeeer happen!!!!

Just think about it, you can sit around all day praying and discussing the
significant political issues. I'm sure you've risen above the need for such
things as money, women, video games, and wrestling.

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> Neo "The I Can't Go Back" Glacier wrote:
> >..and I'd give them both up to have played PSO GC for all this time.
>
> If you want, we can give the "Get Neo Online with his GC" thing another shot.
> I'd join you for a month or so of PSO. There is still episode 2 challenge mode
> left and the new quest sounds interesting.

I'd love to but I have DSL now and no adaptor. :/

>
> ::Wonders if Hell will freeze over and Seed will renew his Hunter's License. Of
> course, that'll probably happen when Ethan decides to become a poet and Henry
> gives up his wordly belongings to become a monk::
>
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"PSORyna" <psoryna@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >That's a world only a terrifying deviant like you would want to live in
> >so it will never eeeeevvvveeeer happen!!!!
>
> Just think about it, you can sit around all day praying and discussing the
> significant political issues. I'm sure you've risen above the need for
such
> things as money, women, video games, and wrestling.

Since you lurk on every newsgroup I post too you already know
that I haven't!!!!

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Ethan Hammond wrote:
>Since you lurk on every newsgroup I post too you already know
>that I haven't!!!!

Fine, so we've established that hell is not going to freeze over with your
help. =P I guess it is time for RedFox to come through. We've always been able
to count on RedFox's efforts afterall. That's the only way that Project Rubicon
succeeded. =p

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Neo "Can you believe it? I upgraded!" Glacier wrote:
>
>I'd love to but I have DSL now and no adaptor. :/

Is finding a Broadband adapter hard to do in your part of the country?I
remember seeing a lot of them around my area recently.

PSORyna
 

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"PSORyna" <psoryna@aol.com> wrote

> Henry "I have roots here!" LaPierre wrote:
> >Yeah, aside from my worldly belongings there's something else I'd
> >have to give up if I became a monk. ...And that ain't happenin' ;)
> >
>
> Well in addition to becoming a poet, we could have Ethan give up all of
his
> wordly possessions and take a vow of "no more fist shaking or screaming."
If
> that won't work, RedFox can become the monk.

I have a monk in Everquest, if that helps this strange fantasy any. I'm more
of a bard/rogue myself :p
 

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"PSORyna" <psoryna@aol.com> wrote

> Ethan Hammond wrote:
> >Since you lurk on every newsgroup I post too you already know
> >that I haven't!!!!
>
> Fine, so we've established that hell is not going to freeze over with your
> help. =P I guess it is time for RedFox to come through. We've always been
able
> to count on RedFox's efforts afterall. That's the only way that Project
Rubicon
> succeeded. =p

That and my uncanny ability to crush every one of Ethan's PATHETIC ATTEMPTS
at WORLD DOMINATION! *giant swings Ethan out of the ring and roars Armour
King style*

How could I give up the mighty giant swing?
 

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"RedFox" wrote

> > Ethan Hammond wrote:
> > >Since you lurk on every newsgroup I post too you already know
> > >that I haven't!!!!
> >
> > Fine, so we've established that hell is not going to freeze over with
your
> > help. =P I guess it is time for RedFox to come through. We've always
been
> able
> > to count on RedFox's efforts afterall. That's the only way that Project
> Rubicon
> > succeeded. =p
>
> That and my uncanny ability to crush every one of Ethan's PATHETIC
ATTEMPTS
> at WORLD DOMINATION! *giant swings Ethan out of the ring and roars Armour
> King style*
>
> How could I give up the mighty giant swing?

And - does GC PSO require a subscription?
 
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RedFox wrote:

>And - does GC PSO require a subscription?

GC PSO does require you to buy a Hunter's License. However, I believe your
first month online is free.

PSORyna
 
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RedFox wrote:
>I have a monk in Everquest, if that helps this strange fantasy any. I'm more
>of a bard/rogue myself :p

That'll work. Besides myself, you* are the the only one on this group that can
be considered noble and virtuous. =p

PSORyna

*Henry is excluded because he owns a XBox
 
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"PSORyna" <psoryna@aol.com> wrote in message
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> That'll work. Besides myself, you* are the the only one on this group that
> can be considered noble and virtuous. =p
>
> PSORyna
>
> *Henry is excluded because he owns a XBox

That's not the only reason I'm neither noble nor virtuous ;)


Henry LaPierre
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