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May 4, 2007 6:30:58 AM

www.hardocp.com

Looks like AMD will demonstrate Barcelona in San Francisco.
May 4, 2007 12:59:04 PM

I certainly hope this tops the Thrilla in Tunisia. :roll:
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May 4, 2007 1:21:40 PM

That would be neat to see. It *almost* would be enough to make me go out there to San Francisco.
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May 4, 2007 1:27:07 PM

San Francisco seems alot better than Tunisia.


I heard traffic is just horrible in parts of San Francisco now. After that fiery explosion from a tanker truck, it practically melted part of an overpass causing it to fall to the ground.


On the other hand, the restaurants in Chinatown are pretty good (and Chinatown itself). Golden Gate bridge, Alcatraz, and the weather are great there.
May 4, 2007 1:49:21 PM

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www.hardocp.com

Looks like AMD will demonstrate Barcelona in San Francisco.


Will we see any benchmark numbers? I certainly hope so. I just hope for AMD that Barcelona is as good as AMD fanboys hope it is, or we might go back to the dark age of Intel dominance :twisted: ... as being alone on the market.

Isn't it funny that we'd been told last year that K10 was cancelled, then that Barcelona was just the first step to a real product line redrawing... and today Barcelona is finally K10 :? . Did they just brought back K10 to give it more importance facing C2D/Q architecture or was it just to keep their card close to their chest? :?: :?: :?:

As long as the new Phenom delivers on performances, I don't really care, but...
May 4, 2007 2:12:23 PM

If this is true, maybe a cash strapped AMD should not be throwing parties for the general public... how many salaries/headcount will it cost???
May 4, 2007 2:17:48 PM

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www.hardocp.com

Looks like AMD will demonstrate Barcelona in San Francisco.


And only a month behind what I thought. I just hope they have machines with all of the Stars chips.
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May 4, 2007 2:20:40 PM

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If this is true, maybe a cash strapped AMD should not be throwing parties for the general public... how many salaries/headcount will it cost???


Maybe it's a BYOB (Bring Your Own Barcelona) party :) 
May 4, 2007 2:46:24 PM

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If this is true, maybe a cash strapped AMD should not be throwing parties for the general public... how many salaries/headcount will it cost???



Yeah they should invite everyone to your backyard and serve pigs in a blanket and beer.
a c 99 à CPUs
May 5, 2007 3:09:12 AM

Naw, it's not that San Francisco would be a bad place to go. It's the almost 2000-mile trip to get there that would be. It's a non-trivial haul from central Missouri on over to the west coast, and I don't particularly want to pay double rates in renting a car since I'm not 25 yet, so flying would be a PITA. (Yeah, you CAN rent a car if you're over 21 but not 25, it'll just cost ya double.) Maybe if AMD decided to debut it in STL, KC, or even Chicago I'd bite, but California is a bit too far to go unless I had a real reason to go there.

Baron: I'd let them have beer and pigs in a blanket in my backyard as long as one of the execs would be willing to go inside and swap out my X2 4200+ for a Barcelona. Oh, and the city ordinances would prohibit more than 10 people plus alcohol in one location if there's much noise, so they'd need to give my neighbors new computers too to keep them quiet.
May 5, 2007 3:14:35 AM

I thought you said you would have a 4x4 months ago?
May 5, 2007 3:27:25 AM

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I thought you said you would have a 4x4 months ago?


Ya... and pictures if I recall... :mrgreen:
May 5, 2007 3:28:02 AM

Not sure what you're talking about, we're living during the Booming Bush Economy.. times are good for multinational corporations.
May 5, 2007 4:17:09 AM

who cares! demonstrate - that's the key

where are they? are they in amd's imagination?

let me see they can make 1 or 2 so they can "demonstrate "

it counts when i see them on newegg!
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May 5, 2007 3:09:21 PM

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who cares! demonstrate - that's the key

where are they? are they in amd's imagination?

let me see they can make 1 or 2 so they can "demonstrate "

it counts when i see them on newegg!


Right - so far, it has been all "barc" and no byte :) .

Will be nice to see them finally out but I'll wait until they're on Newegg and at a good price/performance ratio before I get seriously interested. I might drive a hundred miles out of my way to see the world's biggest ball of string or tin foil, but not for a new CPU demo, whether it's AMD or Intel. Unless as Baron mentioned, there's free beer and wieners in a bun :) 
May 5, 2007 3:30:04 PM

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I thought you said you would have a 4x4 months ago?



I decided to wait. Is that alright almighty goofball?
May 5, 2007 3:31:06 PM

well at least some good news.....sure beats nothing...i want to see numbers that CRUSH kentsfield...

even in AMD doesn't edge out intel in most of the 2p/4p benchies i bet anything they can still compete and draw less power!!
May 5, 2007 3:32:14 PM

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ya i was making fun of their last "demo"
they opened task manager and didnt do anything else
just let it sit there


It wasn't just sitting there it was showing 100% across all cores. 16 to be exact. That showed that it could handle a full load with 4P Quad Core.

I said it before, if it doesn't flop, you owe every AMD buyer an apology and a promise to


ALL HAIL THE DUOPOLY!!!
May 5, 2007 3:52:06 PM

I can pull up a task manager that shows my X6800 using 100% load. Exactly what does that show me except that I can load all the Cores at 100%?
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May 5, 2007 6:05:31 PM

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well at least some good news.....sure beats nothing...i want to see numbers that CRUSH kentsfield...

even in AMD doesn't edge out intel in most of the 2p/4p benchies i bet anything they can still compete and draw less power!!


Looks like AMD has been quiet on Barcelona for "competitive reasons", but plans on being more outspoken in the near future: Link

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Investors also voiced concerns about AMD’s strategy to remain relatively quiet before what the firm called an upcoming “tsunami of new products,” while Intel is heavily promoting the capabilities of its future products. AMD president Dirk Meyer and executive vice president Henri Richard explained the firm’s current strategy with the fact that the firm has become “more cautious” with the details it reveals to the public, as Intel “has begun following” AMD. “There are competitive reasons why we have become more quiet,” Meyer said.
May 5, 2007 6:21:48 PM

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well at least some good news.....sure beats nothing...i want to see numbers that CRUSH kentsfield...

even in AMD doesn't edge out intel in most of the 2p/4p benchies i bet anything they can still compete and draw less power!!


Looks like AMD has been quiet on Barcelona for "competitive reasons", but plans on being more outspoken in the near future: Link

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Investors also voiced concerns about AMD’s strategy to remain relatively quiet before what the firm called an upcoming “tsunami of new products,” while Intel is heavily promoting the capabilities of its future products. AMD president Dirk Meyer and executive vice president Henri Richard explained the firm’s current strategy with the fact that the firm has become “more cautious” with the details it reveals to the public, as Intel “has begun following” AMD. “There are competitive reasons why we have become more quiet,” Meyer said.


The "copying" excuse is a tad lame. CPU designs take years. Intel is not going to revamp Core 2 Duo overnight to match AMD. Investor confidence (stock price) in your company is much more important.

If anything, I think they're having yield issues with Barcelona. Their 65 nm parts are still slower than their 90 nm ones. Also, Barcelona might have a cache problem too. The 65nm K8 had a slower cache than the 90nm ones. Latency might be holding back their performance.

It will be interesting to see if AMD releases any gaming or encoding benchmarks for Barcelona. Since the 8800 GTX is faster than anything AMD has, surely AMD won't bench a Barcelona vs Core2 with an nVidia card. If they bench Barcelona with a Radeon, we might run into a bottleneck with the graphics card. Plus with published numbers already for Half-life2 with Penryn, AMD might not want to show slower numbers than Intel.

In media encoding, since Penryn numbers are already released, anything AMD shows will surely pale in comparison since Penryn uses SSE4. It would be wise for AMD to stay away from media encoding.
May 5, 2007 6:48:49 PM

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I can pull up taskmanager and using a good video editing program make it look like it is running 100 loaded using 24 cores... ;) 

You really think AMD faked 16 cores taskmanager? For some reason I doubt you think like this :roll:

Showing taskmanager on some OS is as impressive as just booting an OS as Intel did in first show. But for some reason former is laughable to some, and later is exciting and thrilling :wink: Bias IMO, but whatever.

Back on topic, Barce. will be shown more and more as time is closing till launch. First behind the doors, now in semi-public gatherings, soon cpu's will "leak" here and there. The reason why AMD is so secretive about it is the lack of Barce definite advantage IMO, especially againts Penryn. They are feaverishly trying to fine tune and tweak the core to be competetive at the launch time and at least for some time after it.
May 5, 2007 8:03:15 PM

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I can pull up taskmanager and using a good video editing program make it look like it is running 100 loaded using 24 cores... ;) 

You really think AMD faked 16 cores taskmanager? For some reason I doubt you think like this :roll:
Nobody thinks that AMD faked 16 cores taskmanager. Just Baron was BSing about the 16 cores doing something at all and thats why they were at 100% load. We are just countering his BS, as usual.

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Showing taskmanager on some OS is as impressive as just booting an OS as Intel did in first show. But for some reason former is laughable to some, and later is exciting and thrilling :wink: Bias IMO, but whatever.

You are missing the point. AMD showed K10 running task manager and called that a DEMO. That's ridiculous and stupid and showing a running app on a revised CPU is not a big dea. Intel showed their first silicon running multiple OSes. That's a big deal and happens rarely.

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Back on topic, Barce. will be shown more and more as time is closing till launch.
Yes, and if we consider the time passed after it announcement it seems that Barcelona(K10) will not appear this year.
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First behind the doors, now in semi-public gatherings, soon cpu's will "leak" here and there.
When is "soon"?
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The reason why AMD is so secretive about it is the lack of Barce definite advantage IMO, especially againts Penryn.
IMO AMD are secretive about K10 because they need time to improve it. I really don't believe that K10 will counter Penryn. IMO no chances to be even close to Penryn's performance. And my opinion is based on K10 architecture details and speculated frequencies. In the best scenario for K10, according to AMD estimated performance, at 2.6GHz K10 will be fast as 3GHz Clovertown/Kentsfield, in average.

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They are feaverishly trying to fine tune and tweak the core to be competetive at the launch time and at least for some time after it.
The core tweaking is already done, they are tweaking their process right now and it seems that they can't pull a rabbit out of their ass. 2.6GHz doesn't sounds impressive to me.
May 5, 2007 9:32:38 PM

I'm surprised no one has brought up the NDA from the tunisia show. If they are showing Barcy and r600 to the public in SF, isn't there going to be a lot of pissed off reporters who went to tunisia and can't say anything for four more days after those who go to SF showing?
May 5, 2007 9:55:03 PM

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I can pull up a task manager that shows my X6800 using 100% load. Exactly what does that show me except that I can load all the Cores at 100%?


I can pull up taskmanager and using a good video editing program make it look like it is running 100 loaded using 24 cores... ;) 

Baron is easily fooled when the information comes from his beloved.


By running no programs? If you run a program it doesn't matter if it's a additive loop or even SQL server. 100% load is 100% load.
May 5, 2007 9:59:28 PM

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No I don't think they faked it... they didn't show it at full load.



Contradictory much? I didn't say it was proof that they had the highest bin. I said it showed 100% load across all cores. THAT'S IT.


You and the Brood go off on tangents about what the larger company can do with their resources.

BOO! HOO! HOO!

AMD says they will let people play Supreme Commander.
May 5, 2007 10:00:35 PM

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I thought you said you would have a 4x4 months ago?


The income from that overpriced chunk of lead would have paid for a few dogs and beers. Oh well, guess he really doesnt want to spend his money to support AMD, he just wants others to
May 5, 2007 10:10:01 PM

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I thought you said you would have a 4x4 months ago?


The income from that overpriced chunk of lead would have paid for a few dogs and beers. Oh well, guess he really doesnt want to spend his money to support AMD, he just wants others to

Now I can't buy when I want? How is swinging on the jock anyway?
May 5, 2007 10:37:01 PM

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well at least some good news.....sure beats nothing...i want to see numbers that CRUSH kentsfield...

even in AMD doesn't edge out intel in most of the 2p/4p benchies i bet anything they can still compete and draw less power!!


Looks like AMD has been quiet on Barcelona for "competitive reasons", but plans on being more outspoken in the near future: Link

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Investors also voiced concerns about AMD’s strategy to remain relatively quiet before what the firm called an upcoming “tsunami of new products,” while Intel is heavily promoting the capabilities of its future products. AMD president Dirk Meyer and executive vice president Henri Richard explained the firm’s current strategy with the fact that the firm has become “more cautious” with the details it reveals to the public, as Intel “has begun following” AMD. “There are competitive reasons why we have become more quiet,” Meyer said.


The "copying" excuse is a tad lame. CPU designs take years. Intel is not going to revamp Core 2 Duo overnight to match AMD. Investor confidence (stock price) in your company is much more important.

If anything, I think they're having yield issues with Barcelona. Their 65 nm parts are still slower than their 90 nm ones. Also, Barcelona might have a cache problem too. The 65nm K8 had a slower cache than the 90nm ones. Latency might be holding back their performance.

It will be interesting to see if AMD releases any gaming or encoding benchmarks for Barcelona. Since the 8800 GTX is faster than anything AMD has, surely AMD won't bench a Barcelona vs Core2 with an nVidia card. If they bench Barcelona with a Radeon, we might run into a bottleneck with the graphics card. Plus with published numbers already for Half-life2 with Penryn, AMD might not want to show slower numbers than Intel.

In media encoding, since Penryn numbers are already released, anything AMD shows will surely pale in comparison since Penryn uses SSE4. It would be wise for AMD to stay away from media encoding.

Its all a matter of perspective. From the aspect that Intel is possibly shifting to a more customer centric approach, it would certainly be true that Intel is following AMDs lead. From a perspective that Intel seems to finally be recognizing a demand for products that offer affordable prices as well as performance, Intel may be following AMDs lead. Of course, that AMD had to wrest large chunks of market share away from Intel causing Intel to open its eyes to the concept of customer satisfaction is moot. The end result is the same, Intel now knows what AMD did, consumers will buy the cheaper, faster, better CPU. Except the rabid fanboys.

Of course, Henris and Dirks quotes probably amount to nothing more than BS, and in fact, in conflict with Hector

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the company’s CEO, Hector Ruiz, said he does not believe that a product’s success entirely relies on the process technology behind it. While he conceded that AMD is “two to three quarters behind,” he said that innovation and product design would allow the firm to make up for this disadvantage.


If AMD is 2 to 3 qaurters behind, how is intel following? Wouldnt that mean Intel has had to pull a U turn?



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AMD president Dirk Meyer and executive vice president Henri Richard explained the firm’s current strategy with the fact that the firm has become “more cautious” with the details it reveals to the public, as Intel “has begun following” AMD. “There are competitive reasons why we have become more quiet,” Meyer said.

However, Richard added that AMD intends to do “a better job at being more vocal in the near future.


Reading between the lines, this may = We are afraid to reveal performance figures so we are going to use the secrecy gambit to make it appear as if we are concerned about security. Even though we revealed the Uarch to the public months ago in great enough-detail for any company to analyze and copy it .

The real reason we have been quite is because we havnt really had anything to say that will cast us in a positive light, but as soon as we can actually produce a product, we will start talking, making it appear as if we've decided to stop playing secret by choice rather than circumstance.
May 5, 2007 10:46:03 PM

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I thought you said you would have a 4x4 months ago?


The income from that overpriced chunk of lead would have paid for a few dogs and beers. Oh well, guess he really doesnt want to spend his money to support AMD, he just wants others to

Now I can't buy when I want? How is swinging on the jock anyway?

Of course you can! :D 

Of course, that you bombarded us for 3 months stating you were buying one as a xmas presnt to yourself leaves one to wonder why you havent bought it, now that its some 4 months beyond the holidays. It also gives us the right to feed you grief for not having bought it.

Its OK Baron...really, you can fess up and admit you didnt want to waste your money on that piece of crap, and instead choose to wait for the K10 chips that will actually make it a worthwhile investment. That whole RAM excuse was debunked by about a dozen people.

You know what? If you tried being honest, and saying "Yes QFX was a piece of crap, and I didnt want to waste my money on it before AMD actually made it into something really good" we would all let it drop :wink:
May 6, 2007 2:44:40 AM

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Nobody thinks that AMD faked 16 cores taskmanager. Just Baron was BSing about the 16 cores doing something at all and thats why they were at 100% load. We are just countering his BS, as usual.

All 16 cores were fully loaded, that means they were doing something, right? :roll: I wasnt at SF, just seen some video. Even if in SF cores werent loaded, so? It showed working silicon, which was stable enough to boot an OS, same as Intels demo.

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Showing taskmanager on some OS is as impressive as just booting an OS as Intel did in first show. But for some reason former is laughable to some, and later is exciting and thrilling :wink: Bias IMO, but whatever.

You are missing the point. AMD showed K10 running task manager and called that a DEMO. That's ridiculous and stupid and showing a running app on a revised CPU is not a big dea. Intel showed their first silicon running multiple OSes. That's a big deal and happens rarely.
Do you know what demo means? Its showing a product, nothing more, nothing less. It wasnt called benchmark, so whats your problem? Intel did the very same thing:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20061024001546...

Both AMD and Intel showed working silicon by booting an OS. Its not a huge deal in both company cases IMO, while you showing strong bias here. Btw, Barcelona is as "revised chip" as C2D was to PentiumM :roll:

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Back on topic, Barce. will be shown more and more as time is closing till launch.
Yes, and if we consider the time passed after it announcement it seems that Barcelona(K10) will not appear this year.
Want to bet 1000$ with me Barcelona will appear this year? Or you just throwing random words here?
May 6, 2007 3:23:08 AM

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No I don't think they faked it... they didn't show it at full load.

What Baron always claims about this 'demo' in december is a fully loaded CPU, but he links an AMD online video of Randy Allen making a sales pitch, behind him scrolls across a 16 pane taskmanager window with all cores loaded.... he claims this is the barcelona demo showing all cores loaded.

I wasnt in San Francisco, were you? On the side note, how come you are sure it wasnt Barce. on Allens video? :roll: Let me see, Allen is speaking about native QC cpu's and showing 16 cores loaded, hmm... :p  If you know Allen was faking on this one, show some proof, until then, I have no reason to think it wasnt Barce.

Just because Baron is thinking like this, it doesnt automaticaly make it wrong, sometimes he is right and sometimes you are wrong, as wierd as it sounds :wink:

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Showing a booted OS is a milestone early in development, that was impressive enough... but they showed no stress on the CPU at the Dec. meeting, no clockspeeds, no benchmark data .... those who try to purport otherwise are, well, full of it. It was akin to Intel's Prescott Demo running under LN2 ;)  --- the whole rig was kept under glass and no one was allowed to touch it.... this is more a show and tell and not a demo.

Jack

I remember you downplaying (more harsly than now) Barce. task manager and being thrilled and excited about same demo from Intel, when it booted an OS. Barce was running an OS too, so? Again, demo doesnt automatically mean benchmarks, etc. Where are loads of both Intel and AMD similar demos, and no, Prescott Demo wasnt the first and the last one, seen Tigerton demo?
May 6, 2007 4:00:31 AM

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:)  :)  I am not sure, but I am pretty sure you cannot take the allen video and prove that the 16 cores were barcelona.... for all we know, AMD put 8 dual cores to work in an 8 sock HPC and recorded the event.....

My point is, AMD put together a 2P 4core rig showed it running task manager and that was it...

Thats was IT :)  Early silicon running OS in Intels case would be amazing for you, not in AMD though. Not surprised here.

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It is certainly a major milestone to get the system booted up at a second stepping, but is lack-luster compared to Intel's demo of Penryn in january...

And the excitement is quite abit different --- Intel demoed high-K/MG, revolutionary and a major step in the industry as a whole.... I could care less what it was running, but the first 45 nm high-K/MG transitor is just a weee bit more monumental than a native quad running taskmanager.

Jack

You comparing Apples with Tomatoes here. Compare Barce "task show" vs Tigerton "show", etc. If you want exciting tech. advancement docs, check here :) :
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Collection-AMD-...

Btw, the most monumental tech. achievement this year for me is:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070503/tc_nm/ibm_chip_dc;_ylt=Aki98PSGJVyC6Gg9D4AWtKUjtBAF

Its way more advanced, exciting and thrilling than 45nm high-K for me.
May 6, 2007 4:19:51 AM

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:)  :)  I am not sure, but I am pretty sure you cannot take the allen video and prove that the 16 cores were barcelona.... for all we know, AMD put 8 dual cores to work in an 8 sock HPC and recorded the event.....

My point is, AMD put together a 2P 4core rig showed it running task manager and that was it...

Thats was IT :)  Early silicon running OS in Intels case would be amazing for you, not in AMD though. Not surprised here.
A year after Core 2 was released, Penryn is already shown running multiple OSes. THAT'S an early silicon.

AMD has been working on K10 as early as 2003~04.

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It is certainly a major milestone to get the system booted up at a second stepping, but is lack-luster compared to Intel's demo of Penryn in january...

And the excitement is quite abit different --- Intel demoed high-K/MG, revolutionary and a major step in the industry as a whole.... I could care less what it was running, but the first 45 nm high-K/MG transitor is just a weee bit more monumental than a native quad running taskmanager.

Jack

You comparing Apples with Tomatoes here. Compare Barce "task show" vs Tigerton "show", etc. If you want exciting tech. advancement docs, check here :) :
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Collection-AMD-...

Btw, the most monumental tech. achievement this year for me is:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070503/tc_nm/ibm_chip_dc;_ylt=Aki98PSGJVyC6Gg9D4AWtKUjtBAF

Its way more advanced, exciting and thrilling than 45nm high-K for me.
i guess everyone is different. IMO, IBM's achievement is minor, compared to MK/HK process. With MK/HK process, we removed a thermal barrier for a lot faster, yet vastly more efficient computing.

However, everyone is different. Resorting to calling others "fanboys" just because they support perspective other than yours is also an act of fanboyism. :roll:
May 6, 2007 4:28:37 AM

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A year after Core 2 was released, Penryn is already shown running multiple OSes. THAT'S an early silicon.

AMD has been working on K10 as early as 2003~04.


Penryn is a refresh for C2D, and you comparing this minor step to K10? :roll: Also working since is pointless as we are speaking about silicons, not new core development period.

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i guess everyone is different. IMO, IBM's achievement is minor, compared to MK/HK process. With MK/HK process, we removed a thermal barrier for a lot faster, yet vastly more efficient computing.

However, everyone is different. Resorting to calling others "fanboys" just because they support perspective other than yours is also an act of fanboyism. :roll:

Check what MK/HK and what IBM tech does, from pure tech point of view IBM achievement is major breakthrough, not so in Intels case. Btw, where did I said "fanboy"? I guess you are seeing things :wink:
May 6, 2007 4:34:28 AM

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what application was pegging all 16 cores at 100% on the K10 demo?

If its not a benchmark, does it matter? It may be muti-threaded tetris or SQL server, for what I care :wink:

What matter is: working silicon. I understand for some its not the reason for chearing, but Intels OSes boot is WOOT and OMG :roll:
May 6, 2007 5:39:02 AM

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I certainly hope this tops the Thrilla in Tunisia. :roll:


You mean the TeaseYa in Tunisia?
May 6, 2007 6:42:21 AM

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I certainly hope this tops the Thrilla in Tunisia. :roll:


You mean the TeaseYa in Tunisia?


:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

Judging by the reporting, it looks as though the teasing was more of the taunting type rather than the enticement kind
May 6, 2007 9:08:27 AM

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Nobody thinks that AMD faked 16 cores taskmanager. Just Baron was BSing about the 16 cores doing something at all and thats why they were at 100% load. We are just countering his BS, as usual.

All 16 cores were fully loaded, that means they were doing something, right? No, that doesn't mean the cores were doing something. That means that the cores were bugged and were unable to do anything usefull. If they were able to run something usefull, I am 100% sure AMD would bless themselves about that.

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:roll: I wasnt at SF, just seen some video. Even if in SF cores werent loaded, so? It showed working silicon, which was stable enough to boot an OS, same as Intels demo.
You don't understand basic things. There is a HUGE difference between AMD's and Intel's "DEMO". The difference is that Intel's CPUs were from the first produced silicon, while AMD's were debugged. Also Intel's CPUs were able to run several OSes and apps(see the links in the posts before), while AMD's were only able to run task manager while eating up 100% of CPU resources.


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Showing taskmanager on some OS is as impressive as just booting an OS as Intel did in first show. But for some reason former is laughable to some, and later is exciting and thrilling :wink: Bias IMO, but whatever.

You are missing the point. AMD showed K10 running task manager and called that a DEMO. That's ridiculous and stupid and showing a running app on a revised CPU is not a big dea. Intel showed their first silicon running multiple OSes. That's a big deal and happens rarely.
Do you know what demo means? Its showing a product, nothing more, nothing less. It wasnt called benchmark, so whats your problem? Intel did the very same thing:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20061024001546...

Both AMD and Intel showed working silicon by booting an OS. Its not a huge deal in both company cases IMO, while you showing strong bias here. Btw, Barcelona is as "revised chip" as C2D was to PentiumM :roll: Again, you are missing the point.

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Back on topic, Barce. will be shown more and more as time is closing till launch.
Yes, and if we consider the time passed after it announcement it seems that Barcelona(K10) will not appear this year.
Want to bet 1000$ with me Barcelona will appear this year? Or you just throwing random words here?I bet $1000 K10/Barcelona will be paper launched. Also I bet another $1000 K10/Barcelona will be less than 5% of AMD's offering at the end of this year. And I bet another $1000 K10/Barcelona will not bring the performance crown back to AMD.
Where can we put our bets?
May 6, 2007 9:58:43 AM

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Where can we put our bets?


I'll, um... err.... I'll hold onto your money! You can trust me, honest! :lol: 
May 6, 2007 10:03:03 AM

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Where can we put our bets?


I'll, um... err.... I'll hold onto your money! You can trust me, honest! :lol: 
HEY that's MY job :twisted: :twisted:
May 6, 2007 10:14:59 AM

FWIW, This is the Randy Allen quad core demo showing all sixteen processing cores at full load:-

May 6, 2007 10:18:28 AM

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Where can we put our bets?


I'll, um... err.... I'll hold onto your money! You can trust me, honest! :lol: 
HEY that's MY job :twisted: :twisted:

I beat you to it this time! :lol: 
May 6, 2007 2:00:03 PM

To everyone:

Why all the freakin specualation anyway? Let's just wait and see shall we? People LOVE drama. If AMD keeps quiet and kicks ass with Barcelona, great! They really showed us. If not, too bad, we all root for the underdog. In that regard we're all on the same side as Baron, who ridiculous as he is, really takes a beating in these forums now...you guys could be a bit more friendly, I think he's attempted to be sometimes. I can't wait to see if AMD architecture can overcome Intel's quick move to 45nm. I expect to see Intel pushing server and mobile chip sales with lower energy consumption and AMD's architecture almost making up for still being in 65nm, just a bit behind Intel, exactly where they are now. It'll be interesting to see if AMD surpasses Intel though, once AMD switches over to 45nm and before Intel goes 32nm. I would guess that could happen as well if their architecture really is superior. Then again Barcelona might put Penryn to shame if it's designed that well. We'll just have to wait and see what Intel brings to the table next. It's a back and forth war, not a "who's on top" war. This processor battle is more like the old GPU wars, it's a "who's on top today, short-lived victory dance." We are afterall speaking in QUARTERS now, not half-decades like before.
May 6, 2007 3:45:24 PM

Thanks. I'm so sick of the speculation and arguing. It's just stupid. Benchmarks tell the truth, and if a product isn't out who cares what ANYONE says. Speculators, AMD, or Intel!
May 6, 2007 4:00:00 PM

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Thanks. I'm so sick of the speculation and arguing. It's just stupid. Benchmarks tell the truth, and if a product isn't out who cares what ANYONE says. Speculators, AMD, or Intel!



Ridiculous people don't excel at everything they attempt. Now you just made yourself a mark. I never forget nor forgive. I have never uttered your name.

AMD raised the money like I said, etc.

If you're going to give a barb, just skip it and use something else. That's why I have little respect for the people who post here.

Brood applications are available from JumpingJagOff.
May 6, 2007 4:57:31 PM

a good news, but god damn it ! there isn't any test about this chip ,I still live in the dark of C2D
May 6, 2007 5:57:49 PM

Well Baron, so much for defending you....you're a complete and utter waste of space and resources. We should've used what you consume to keep Sadam alive. Could've at least learned something from him. If AMD knew or cared of your existence I'm guessing they would sell ATI and slap down the money to have you "taken care of" Your rantings are pushing us to DISLIKE AMD, not like them more.
May 6, 2007 6:01:04 PM

I've been on these forums for well over a year now...and I've seen some crap he's posted, but I thought, what the hell...maybe he deserves a second chance. But one post from him and I suddenly realized my error. Forgive me?
May 6, 2007 6:02:15 PM

Oh, and I added something to the previous post. He's more likely to drive away AMD fans than create them.
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