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May 7, 2007 7:01:31 PM

Ok i have a Geforce 8800 GTS And ive read that you wont be getting good frames with BF2 due to drivers. I get 45-65 FPS playing BF2 max settings 4x AA at a low resoulution like 1024x640 (w/e the resoulution is). I was kinda expecting more like 80-90 FPS being with low resoloution. What should i be getting? and what are yall getting on what games? Im not mad btw being ive played with 20-25 fps for a year now :D  .

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May 7, 2007 7:40:18 PM

BF2 is a pretty big memory hog aswell.

But yeah, you should be getting more....a fair bit more.

I play bf2142, which is pretty much the same.

normally i play at 1024x768 with everything max + 4xAA. My average fps is around 70-100. I think there is a cap at 100 cause it never goes over.
May 7, 2007 7:49:17 PM

At those settings you should be maxing out at 100FPS with a decent CPU.

What are the rest of you're specs? I'm assuming different from you're sig. since it says 7600gs.

Edit to add: Just googling around a bit. If you are using the d805 with one gig it will limit you but it seems you should still be getting better performance.
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May 7, 2007 8:12:54 PM

I got that fps (60 average) at 1200 resolution with max setting on my 8600GT. If you are on vista with 1GB is too low to play BF2. I guess your cpu is okay.
May 7, 2007 8:42:06 PM

FOR BF2 you need 2gb also what are your full system specs?
May 7, 2007 9:08:55 PM

Yea. I used to have 1GB of RAM, and I saw a huge difference when I finally got 2GB. I have a PD 945 (3.4GHz), 2GB DDR2-675 running at 800, and a X1950pro. I game at 1280x1024. Before, on High settings, my FPS would dip really low, making it unplayable. Now I can run all the settings maxed out! Including 6xAA!! Very rarely will my FPS dip down to ~35. Normally I see between 40 and 55. And with what I have, that's pretty awesome!

I do think that you are getting less performace than you should be. Also consider that your RAM and CPU is holding your GPU back. But mostly the RAM, and then your CPU.
May 7, 2007 9:43:35 PM

ok i have 2 GB of ram and a Pentium D and i only use about 1.2 GB of ram when playing.
May 7, 2007 9:49:46 PM

sig is now updated sorry about that was coming home from school. So you think its my cpu? my cpu never uses more than 50%. If you all think it is i can overclock it to 3.6 GHZ easy (2.66 GHZ at stock if you didnt already know). wow i should be getting 100?

specs are:
ecs motherboard
Pentium D 805 @stock
2 GB pqi Ram
80 GB 7200 HDD
Geforce 8800 GTS oc1

Oh and i have XP not vista.
May 7, 2007 10:03:46 PM

Here is kind of an update:
When there are more than 1 vehicles in the area, Fps goes to a crippling 30 :cry:  :x .
when just by myself it goes to 70-80
When in action (no tanks) 50-70
In copter 55 AVG
When there is 1 tank goes to 50

If im suppose to get 100 and im getting half at a low resolution than im so mad :x .
And btw i have updated to current drivers and updated the game.
May 7, 2007 10:05:08 PM

ur in high school, right chaos? how can you afford the 8800gts 640 meg? im barely finding enough money to get the 320 meg for my first build.
May 7, 2007 10:32:39 PM

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ur in high school, right chaos? how can you afford the 8800gts 640 meg? im barely finding enough money to get the 320 meg for my first build.

Parents. Duh!! :lol:  Do you think I bought all of my sh!t myself? :lol: 

(Actually, I had to do alot of housework for a long time, in order to get my rig. I've already been informed that there will be no upgrades when I go to college. :( )
May 7, 2007 10:38:31 PM

You're CPU is showing 50% usage because BF2 is single threaded. It is still maxing out 1 core which it will do on any system anyhow.

I still think you should be achieving a better frame rate with that processor at it's current setting. The overclock setting you mentioned would confirm that if it doesn't open up big performance. I would suspect you are having some sort of problem that may not necessarily be the GPU.
May 7, 2007 10:49:49 PM

I have a job and paid every cent of my computer and bought my 2 cars.
I work painting shutters and sanding them good money about $50 a day not every day though. Yes i consider myself lucky.
And its the 320 meg version srry if i didn't specify. its only $280. (im thinking about buying another for sli but i know it'd be a rip off and useless)

My overall usage is 50% both cores are taking care of the game according to task manager.

Hmm when its just me playing Fps is at a constant 100 maybe its how many people are playing.
May 7, 2007 11:54:13 PM

Well, did u try cranking up the resolution and everything? Do you have the newest drivers? Is your power supply good enough, putting at least 28A on the 12 volt rail?

Its probably the power supply.
May 8, 2007 12:38:22 AM

its a 500 watt psu so i doubt it and im not running much. but my fans did slow way down and hardly blow any air....... Oh shit but idk how that could be. ill use psu calculator. and pawnder this for awhile but i doubt it but it would explain the problem being fps fluctuate so much. but wouldnt it just crash?
May 8, 2007 12:42:26 AM

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Well, did u try cranking up the resolution and everything? Do you have the newest drivers? Is your power supply good enough, putting at least 28A on the 12 volt rail?

Its probably the power supply.

:? If he playing 1024x168 and getting bad FPS, how will turning the graphics up help? And if it's a PSU problem won't he experience things like random lockups?

Since he said his CPU was running at 50%, I think it is simply a bottleneck. Your CPU can't give the 8800 enough data. I think BF2 is rather CPU bound because I have a faster CPU but a weaker GPU, and I'm playing maxed out. I'd OC your CPU to get some extra performance.

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but my fans did slow way down and hardly blow any air.

This could be your motherboard. Some mobo's automatically turn fans down and turn them up as temperatures increase. And sometimes you cannot control this. (I'm assuming you have them connected to the mobo)

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I have a job and paid every cent of my computer and bought my 2 cars.
I work painting shutters and sanding them good money about $50 a day not every day though. Yes i consider myself lucky.

Good work. Seriously. I hope you enjoy what you've earned. (minus this problem)
May 8, 2007 12:56:37 AM

Well, listen, first of all, what kind of power supply is it, what brand? The 500 watt parts cuts it and all, but the amp rating is what matters most. You want at least 28A on the combined 12 volt rails.

Also, it probably might be a driver issue.

And, yes, ur CPU is a bottleneck cause its only 2.66ghz, and i dont know why u bought an 8800gts 320 with a pentium-anything, ahha.

But, first of all check ur power supply, and if thats fine, then i suggest you get an e4300 or e4400. If thats not it, then it could be overheating.

THATS IT! It coudl be overheating because ur fans arent pumping well. But since ur fans arent pumping well it could be that they arent getting enough power, then it would be the poewrsupply.

So, check that.
May 8, 2007 2:09:51 AM

idk what brand psu or rails just the 500 watts.
May 8, 2007 10:54:41 AM

open up your case and read :p 
May 8, 2007 1:43:14 PM

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Well, listen, first of all, what kind of power supply is it, what brand? The 500 watt parts cuts it and all, but the amp rating is what matters most. You want at least 28A on the combined 12 volt rails.

OK, I know the difference between watts and amps and why amps are imprtant. But if he has 500 Watts, How could he not have enough power on the 12v rails??

Look at this cheap PSU. 500W for $20. I wouldn't dream of touching this. But according to the label, It provides over 30amps on the 12V rail. (380W exactly) So according to you this PSU would technically be able to run a 8800GTS, right? (I know there are other factors, ig quality) This is the cheapest 500W PSU I found on Newegg. So whatever Chos has, must be better than that, right?

I think any 500W PSU should be good enough to provide enough power for a GTS. (Now if it explodes after a week, that's a different story. :roll: )

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THATS IT! It coudl be overheating because ur fans arent pumping well. But since ur fans arent pumping well it could be that they arent getting enough power, then it would be the poewrsupply.

You'd only notice fans not spinning full speed unsless there was a 3v+ difference. So if his 12v fan headers were only getting 9v or less, Chos would experience some major stability issues. I don't think a computer would work very well (or at all!) if his 12v line was at 9v.

I just don't think the PSU is a major factor in Chos's FPS problem.
May 8, 2007 1:58:35 PM

Now that is a CPU bottleneck if I have ever seen one; a Pentium D 805 at 2.66GHz isn't nearly fast enough for any 8800.
May 8, 2007 2:25:57 PM

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Look at this cheap PSU. 500W for $20. I wouldn't dream of touching this. But according to the label, It provides over 30amps on the 12V rail.


ummm, you cant just add up the amps on each rail. It doesn't work like that.

also just cause a psu supplies 500 watts with 30 amps on the +12v rail, doesnt mean its a clean and stable supply. Bad supply can cause jittering in games.

one of the reviews on that psu says "The 5 V line fluctuated wildly and would up frying the ASUS motherboard I got from Newegg". The same thing can happen on the +12v rail as well.

Read all of this first as it will explain it better: http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/PSU-101-102-fto...
May 8, 2007 4:00:35 PM

I know that that PSU is crap, and I would never use it. Quality shows up in stuff like voltages. Thanks for the link!
May 9, 2007 12:34:43 AM

Yes, well ChaosGS, if you want to solve ur problem, ur gonna have to open ur case and check ur power supply.

Also, having 500 watts doesntm mean sh!t. Most of the wattage could be on the 3 and 5 volt rails, etc.

Thats it. Its the power supply. So, boom niggers, boom.
May 9, 2007 1:28:11 AM

ok i have well this is exactly how it is wrote.

+5v&3 .3v combined load 230W
+5v +12v & +3 .3V max load 422W
Combined load 500W

also some other stuff i can hardly see. hmm well i cant make sense of it but it says some rails have 22 Amps 36 Amps and 18 AMPS.

Now how do i tell which rail has what amp?
May 9, 2007 1:34:15 AM

hmm i jsut saw and remembered i can give the pci express slots an extra connector but im a tad worried being the stupid thing would have 3 connectors plugged into it. and its usually for sli or power hungry cards but once again that would be way to many connectors if u ask me.
May 9, 2007 1:48:08 AM

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+5v&3 .3v combined load 230W
+5v +12v & +3 .3V max load 422W
Combined load 500W

also some other stuff i can hardly see. hmm well i cant make sense of it but it says some rails have 22 Amps 36 Amps and 18 AMPS.

:? Not much to work with. Can you give us a picture? Even if it's with your cell phone, as long as we can read it.

But from what you gave us, if the 5v and 3.3v rails provide 230W, then the rest must be 12v, right? (Assuming -5 and -12 are negligible) So this PSU provides 270W of power at 22 amps. (270/12=22) Ok, I was wrong. I take back everything I said earlier. It could indeed be your PSU.

Even though I still think it's a CPU bottleneck

(If you don't know already, email the pic to your computer, go to www.imageshack.us and upload it, and copy "Thumbnail for fourms 1")
May 9, 2007 2:03:36 AM

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Now that is a CPU bottleneck if I have ever seen one; a Pentium D 805 at 2.66GHz isn't nearly fast enough for any 8800.


Wow lol the last thing id suspect is right i oced it at 3.1 and got an extra 20 Frames extra. wow learn something new every day always thought cpu had to be at 100% to bottleneck. TY guys so much for ur time and effort. ill keep it clocked at about 2.9 GHz being im broke ATM. and not risking any screw ups.

Wow im just so shocked thats it.

Oh and the fans for some reason kicked in when i oced it so they are now running normal, how idk. mobo and fans arnt connected in any way.
May 9, 2007 4:04:20 PM

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Also consider that your RAM and CPU is holding your GPU back.

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Since he said his CPU was running at 50%, I think it is simply a bottleneck. Your CPU can't give the 8800 enough data.

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I just don't think the PSU is a major factor in Chaos's FPS problem.

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Even though I still think it's a CPU bottleneck


A BOTTLENECK!!?? I never would have guessed. :roll:
May 9, 2007 4:40:25 PM

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A BOTTLENECK!!?? I never would have guessed. :roll:


lol :p 

chaos mate, if you look around in the site somewhere they talk about the 8800 needing the really high end cpu's to really show what they are made of. You might wanna have a look at that. If i find a link i'll post it :p 
May 9, 2007 9:30:03 PM

Even if oc'ing ur CPU does that much, i still think your power supply has something to do with it.
Battlefield 2 on my friends 3 ghz P4 runs fine, with a Geforce 6600, on low of course^^.

But still, look for 12v- and 12v+ on ur supply. Add those up, and if there is more than 1 12 volt rail (12v1, 12v2) add them too.

I still think that its that. And still, ur getting like 40 fps, when u shouldg et like 70 ish because its not that CPU intensive.

So, boom.
May 10, 2007 10:19:12 AM

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But still, look for 12v- and 12v+ on ur supply. Add those up, and if there is more than 1 12 volt rail (12v1, 12v2) add them too.


again, thats not how it works.

You cant just add the amps on each rail!

Go to the psu section of the forums and read through psu 101 and 102, as it would explain it a lot better than me :oops:  :p 
May 10, 2007 8:57:48 PM

Yeha, i know, but i just want to see the area that his AMps are in.

Anyway, on a side note, how do you like ur 1950PRO? What res do u game at, and how does it perform? Im thinking of geting one.
May 10, 2007 11:16:35 PM

well seeing as how a lot of people are having issues with it, id say i was lucky enough to have no problems what so ever (iv got the AGP version).

gaming wise i play at 1280X1024, and considering its just a tad bit over £100 it performs very well on all the games I play (FEAR,COD2,Oblivion, UT2004, BF2142, NFS carbon, command and conquer3, and a couple of older games). excluding oblivion, even with the in game graphics maxed out in all the rest, it runs over the 60 fps mark, so im more that happy. Though i will state that with oblivion i did change the ini to include more trees, grass and generally be even more demanding it would normally be, and I still manage to pull around 30-40 fps outside in most spots (can go as low as 22 at places) so its still playable :) 
May 11, 2007 1:01:34 AM

Wait, so if i got something like an x1950xt which is 20% better than the PRO, i wouldn't be disapointed? I am gaming on 1680 x 1050, so it needs more power...But im just stumped on whether to get an 8800gts 320 meg or the x1950xt 256 meg...
May 11, 2007 1:25:12 AM

I too have an X1950pro and game at 1280x1024. Like blade85 at this resolution, it's killer!! I can run most all of my games at maxed out settings with decent to really good framerates.

But at your resolution, I think the X1950XT will have enough power. You should be able to play most all games (minus Oblivion) at decent framerates. But I think the deciding factor is money. If you have the extra $75 or so to spend, go for the 8800GTS. It does offer enough extra performance over the XT to justify it's price. But I don't think the X1950XT will be disappointing.
May 11, 2007 1:44:03 AM

Yeah, coming from a 933mhz Pentium 3 and fx5500...i think both will blow me away.

But im just thinking that $75 is a lot of money for a 15 year old kid like me, and im not sure if i want to pay $75 for a bigger draw distance on grass!.!

Also, i was going to get an e6600 and leave it at stock. But now im gonna get an e4300 w/ arctic cooling pro 7, with my 667mhz CAS 5 kingston value ram put it at 266mhz fsb, for a comfortable compromise at 2.4 ghz.

How does that sound?
May 11, 2007 8:51:33 AM

Guys...got little problem here with 8800 GTS 320MB SUPERCLOCK

my spec :

C2D E6600
GIGABYTE DS3 V3.3
KINGSTON DDR2 2X1GB 667MHZ
COOLERMASTER 550WATT
160GB HDD SATA
CRT PHILIPS MONITOR 17"

Why..during gaming still got lagging..i played FIFA 07 n NFS : Carbon setting at MAX...resolution 1280x1024...all driver are the latest and fresh install XP SP2..any solution..
May 11, 2007 8:57:07 AM

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Guys...got little problem here with 8800 GTS 320MB SUPERCLOCK

my spec :

C2D E6600
GIGABYTE DS3 V3.3
KINGSTON DDR2 2X1GB 667MHZ
COOLERMASTER 550WATT
160GB HDD SATA
CRT PHILIPS MONITOR 17"

Why..during gaming still got lagging..i played FIFA 07 n NFS : Carbon setting at MAX...resolution 1280x1024...all driver are the latest and fresh install XP SP2..any solution..


you might wanna start a new topic for this, so more people can read it :) 

will help you out, as soon as i get the time. A tad bit busy just now.


@lionhardt: I think that you should wait till monday for the new ATi cards, if anything they may just cause a reduction of the 8800's and their own x1950's in a few days/weeks?. So, just wait and see what happens.
May 11, 2007 9:01:49 AM

to blade85

thanks man..i will create new thread after this..
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