First time gaming build, 800 dollars, please help!

RAM - CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820145590
$131.00
($101.00 after $30.00 Mail-In Rebate) Shipping is free

CASE - Rosewill R5604-BK 0.8mm SECC Screw-less Dual 120mm Fans ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147037

$44.99
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PSU - Rosewill RD500-2SB ATX12V Ver.2.2 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, FCC - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817182076

$47.99
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Hard Drive - Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JS 200GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Special combo deal, while supplies last
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822144416

$59.99
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MOBO - EVGA 122-CK-NF66-T1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188017

$109.99
($99.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate)
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Processor - Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Allendale 1.8GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115013

$114.50
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Video Card - EVGA 256-P2-N615-TX GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130062

$109.99
($89.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate)
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CD Drive - LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM 1.5MB Cache SATA Combo Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827106040

$25.99
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Mouse - Logitech MX518 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB + PS/2 Wired Optical Gaming-Grade Mouse - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16826104178

$39.99
Free 3 Business Day Shipping

Keyboard - Logitech Media Elite 967559-0403 Black 102 Normal Keys 18 Function Keys USB + PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16823126178
$23.99
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Speakers - Logitech X-230 32 watts RMS 2.1 Black Speaker System - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16836121123

$38.99
3 Business Day Shipping $11.33

I saw on a sticky about graphics card that the Radeon X1900GT is better then the 7600GT, well its priced 130 dollars at Newegg (link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102022) Should I get that instead?
And is my choice of motherboard and processor good? Are there any better substitutes for my list?
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  1. :trophy: for picking out a very well designed Rosewill case. If it were Enermax, it would cost a hundred. The 2x120mm fans are begging for an overclock.

    If you ever use Linux, nvidia video is better supported than ati.

    This Hiper psu would be better than the Rosewill:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817128005

    If it ain't broken, OVERCLOCK it. ;)
  2. The e4300 is good budget CPU, and you save more by using slower RAM. That MB will allow more flex with the timing so whatt ever speed you decide to run, the memory can match it without paying for the high priced kind. That XMS2 is a great deal and might be best when you upgrade and need the 800mhz.
    Agree that there are better PSUs for the same price. I like those from FSP and hyper is good.
  3. akhilles, what do you mean "The 2x120mm fans are begging for an overclock. "?

    And I'm seeing lots of reviews saying that people are OC'ing that processor like mad, is it easy to do?

    Any other comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated!
  4. It is pretty easy to get a 50% boost for free, and after that you might need to buy a better CPU cooler. With a good motherboard like the 650i, all you do is change settings in BIOS.
    About fans, he means you are starting with good airflow, which is good when overclocking, and is never bad for any computer. cooling=longer life.
  5. Oh hah, I thought he meant that I should overclock the fans to make them spin faster (Is that even possible?)

    Oh and you said that "you save more by using slower RAM", are you suggesting I buy slower ram?
  6. If budget is tight and you find a better price, using slower RAM will not effect performance, as you will not use all the speed for the RAM. The math is hee somewhere but FSB x2 should equal RAM speed. so 333FSB = 667 RAM.
  7. For my processor it says FSB is 800MHZ and my ram is DDR2 800, so they match up right?
  8. You are right, but what the BOIS is telling you is not quite true. A cpu can't run that fast, 400mhz is max hard core water cooled type stuff. It is telling you FSB is 800 after all the math is done. Closer to 200 quad pumped? Or 233 x 9, or is it 166 times 9. Anyway, 800 is good and 1:1 is perfect.
  9. My bad. i mean the combo is begging for an overclock. It's a budget overclocker's dream.

    The mobo doesn't have a southbridge cooler, just like mine. So your overclock will be limited to 1st-ly the chipset temp.

    It's not hard to o/c 650i. In fact, it's easier than p965. You can o/c only the cpu & keep the ram at stock. Just enter bios & disable everything you don't need, unlink the cpu & ram & up the QDR/FSB.

    The ram speeds don't matter to 650/680i.
  10. But if I do anything wrong, won't it like totally mess up my computer? Should I just opt for a 6600? Or is the 4300 good enough for moderate gaming?
  11. If you're not overclocking, get at least 6400/6600. If you are, get anything. I'm a budget-minded overclocker. I get the cheapest/slowest, & o/c the hell out of them.
  12. Maybe I can do a slight overclock with the 4300, say from 1.8GHZ to 2.2GHZ?
  13. good plan, get it running not and stable, then take it slow and easy and 2.2 will make a noticable difference
  14. I think the e4300 may be right up your alley since it's a budget chip & overclocks rather well.
  15. I'm sure you could get that on a stock HSF, but if you want a good deal, you can get the Arctic cooling freezer pro 7 for $22 w/ free shipping at eWiz.com right now:

    http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-AC7PRO

    That way you can also get the OEM e4300 and save a few dollars...

    8O
  16. Ok I don't get what OEM is exactly, like do they only sell that product and it doesn't come with extras like a heat sink and stuff? (I googled "OEM wiki" and I'm guessing its 'Original equipment manufacturer, the original manufacturer of a product, which may be resold by another company')
  17. yes, that is about right. Most times things are sold like that to builders who don't need manuals and CDs. They buy parts 100 at a time and they get each part that way. The end up with exactly the amount of parts they need to build a system with nothing extra for lower costs. If you have the extras, like when you replace a CPU, you won't need another heatsink so just buy the CPU-OEM.
  18. OEM means that, but it's now abused to mean computer parts w/o retail packaging. It could be a resale, used item (open box), refurb, etc.

    As for cpu, I always buy retail cpu's cuz it has LONGER warranty & a cooler, not for me, but for the next buyer. :) I keep my aftermarket coolers, etc.
  19. Don't worry about over-clocking, just ask lots more about it on the forum.

    Back in the day CPU's often shipped near their performance limit and it took advanced cooling and other measures to get significantly more performance out of them.

    This is no longer the case.

    The E4300 is built using the same material and basic process as an E6800.
    Yet the E4300 is only clocked to 1.8 by default while the E6800 is clocked about a full 1ghz higher. There is little reason to not turn up the E4300 to run at the speeds to which it has been engineered of 1ghz more. Mind you it has not been "Tested" at that speed so may not work optimally, but finding somebody who could not reach these speeds due to an issue with the CPU and not a poor selection of supporting pieces is between rare and non-existent.

    (Note: The X1900GT would be an excellent choice @ $130 if you are going to game.)
  20. Ok then, I'm going to buy retail because I need the heatsink and stuff I'm guessing. I'll stick to the E4300 since you guys seem to not have any complaints or qualms about it.

    Now onto the graphics card, I recall my neighbor having bought a ATI 9600 three years back (we both wanted to play BF1942 together) and my integrated card worked well, while he lagged alot and eventually his onboard card seemed to be better then his 9600, and so it was discarded. It's anecdotal but I'm shying away from ATI for this reason.
    I'll go read up on the two cards and see, oh and, won't I have to change up my motherboard? (Since they are opposing companies and such, won't it cause driver/firmware conflict?)
  21. Ok I just saw a sticky in the graphics card section, and it had the X1900GT rated higher in performance then the 7600GT, and it seems to be a steal over at newegg..

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102022

    There's talk about a revision or something, I guess ATI crippled the card a bit?
    Does anyone have any objections towards this card, or should I get this card instead of the 7600GT?

    EDIT: Darn I didn't think of editing my last post, sorry guys, but I'll do it here...
    This drive is OEM, does this mean I must buy a cable or whatever thing that connects this to the PSU/Mobo?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106040
  22. I want to be left out of video debates. No comments. :)

    No you don't have to worry about chipset-video compability. They're separate. As long as you run a single card. Any mobo will do. However, you can't sli crossfire cards & vice versa. i.e. run 2 nvidia cards linked in crossfire mobo.

    BTW, a retail mobo including yours comes with all the basic cables so you don't need extra.
  23. Ok, I'll compile a final list so you can guys look over it once again, then I'll order later today.

    EDIT:

    Ok I'm torn between these two PSUs..
    HIPER HPU-4M480-PS ATX12V v2.2 480W Power Supply 100 - 120V AC cUL,TUV,CB,CE,FCC - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817128005

    FSP Group (Fortron Source) AX450-PN, 12cm FAN, version 2.2, 2 SATA, PCI Express, 450W Power Supply - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104954

    Please help me on this guys, I'd like to order today!!
  24. Quote:
    Ok, I'll compile a final list so you can guys look over it once again, then I'll order later today.


    Before you make your final decision, check out these modules:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146565

    Plenty of reviews online if you wanna compare. These are premium modules, not budget stuff. See for instance: http://hardwarelogic.com/news/60/ARTICLE/1338/2007-01-19.html

    And they are really really cheap right now. $139.99 for 2x1GB Ballistix DDR800 (6400).... Damn good deal. Couple months ago they were about $300.00.
  25. Quote:
    Ok, I'll compile a final list so you can guys look over it once again, then I'll order later today.


    Before you make your final decision, check out these modules:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146565

    Plenty of reviews online if you wanna compare. These are premium modules, not budget stuff. See for instance: http://hardwarelogic.com/news/60/ARTICLE/1338/2007-01-19.html

    And they are really really cheap right now. $139.99 for 2x1GB Ballistix DDR800 (6400).... Damn good deal. Couple months ago they were about $300.00.

    Oh my goodness, here I go plunging into uncertainty again.. :?
    That'd be an extra 50 bucks for that ram, is it worth it? And plus, what is wrong with my current ram?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820145590
  26. I have been "browsing" these kinds of threads, out of pure fun factor.

    This thread really shows the thought process of deciding components.

    Thats it, I am gonna go from a "peeper" to actually builder, and I hope I can find the same excellent input from folks.

    I will take it very slow, cause I dont have the funds yet :(, but once I get my tax refund, which should be a good one, I want to be ready to head out to buy and build the stuff :D

    Thanks for a great thread.

    Speedy

    Tnx: Best of luck, and I hope you end up with a great setup. Can you do me a favour and pm when you are done. I would love to find out what you ended up with.
  27. Quote:
    Ok, I'll compile a final list so you can guys look over it once again, then I'll order later today.


    Before you make your final decision, check out these modules:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146565

    Plenty of reviews online if you wanna compare. These are premium modules, not budget stuff. See for instance: http://hardwarelogic.com/news/60/ARTICLE/1338/2007-01-19.html

    And they are really really cheap right now. $139.99 for 2x1GB Ballistix DDR800 (6400).... Damn good deal. Couple months ago they were about $300.00.

    Oh my goodness, here I go plunging into uncertainty again.. :?
    That'd be an extra 50 bucks for that ram, is it worth it? And plus, what is wrong with my current ram?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820145590

    There's nothing wrong with your current modules. The ones I mentioned are just hellagood overclockers (if you fancy doing that).
  28. That's good to know Speedy, can anyone comment on the two PSU's that I'm torn between? I keep on hearing that the PSU is REALLY important and so I'd like to pick the best I can get.

    HIPER HPU-4M480-PS ATX12V v2.2 480W Power Supply 100 - 120V AC cUL,TUV,CB,CE,FCC - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817128005

    FSP Group (Fortron Source) AX450-PN, 12cm FAN, version 2.2, 2 SATA, PCI Express, 450W Power Supply - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104954
  29. BUMP, and do any of you have AIM and are willing to advise me more in depthly on this?

    There is a problem with the mobo that I had chosen, it has no manual, so I'm opting for something else.. How are these two compared to the old one?

    GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128012

    MSI P6N SLI-FI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130082
  30. Wow easyg sure knows his ram. I'd get what he suggested in a heartbeat. Nothing wrong with the xms, but it sucks at overclocking.

    The Hiper has 29amps on combined +12v rails whereas the Fortron may have 30a, but I'm not sure if the max watts on +12v are combined with other rails.

    http://www.fsp-group.com.tw/english/1_product/2_detail.asp?mainid=1&fid=123&proid=517

    P965 overclocks cpu & ram at a ratio. It takes more time to get the best o/c. 650i overclocks cpu & ram together or separately. When o/c'ed separately, you can keep ram at stock & o/c the cpu. It'd take less time to get the best o/c. You'd have to worry about the cpu (fsb, vcore, nb volt, cpu & chipset temps). That's if you know how to o/c.

    However, the DS3 is a proven overclocker where the P6N is a kid.

    As for the evga mobo, it's the newer 650i ultra chipset. Supposed to be better than 650i. The thing is a lot of mobo makers cut corners. The evga has NO southbright cooling, so out of the box, the P6N will beat it hands down. Unless you upgrade chipset cooling to better one.

    It always boils down to the bottomline.
  31. I'll toss my .02 in

    First the PSU. Thank you for looking at a different one. The rosewill is NO GOOD! FSP is a highly recommended one. Check out mplichfamily's guide in the PSU section. http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/PSU-Reference-List-ftopict222154.html

    Video. The X1900 is a good card, go with that if you can't afford an 8800 GTS. Myself, Id look for a way to get an 8800, but that's just me. X1900 is a good second place card.

    MB. The 650i is a a good chipset for OC from what I hear, but I don't know too much about it. The 965P-DS3 is what I'm putting in my new PC, a 4300 OCed to 3.0 ( I hope...), so I can give a definite answer on that. Probably good either way.

    RAM. Newegg has some nice A-DATA DDR2-800 on sale for 89.99 shipped. Probably not as good as the RAM you chose, but cheaper. That CPU is running at 200 MHz, quad pumped for an effective 800 FSB. The RAM you are looking at is 800MHz, but in dual channel it will be 1600MHz effective, using a 2:1 ratio. You can OC the 4300 up pretty high and still not reach the speed of that RAM in dual channel, so OCing RAM shouldn't be necessary.

    Case. Looks good. Cheap, fans are probably a little loud, but quiet costs more. Case is one area you can always save some cash.

    CPU. The 4300 is a beast. Check out Ewiz.com for the OEM version. It's only 99.00!!! Save some cash over the 114 at newegg and buy the previously mentioned aftermarket HS/FAN. You should be able to OC much higher than 2.2 by the way.

    Any more questions I'll be here all night.
  32. Ok, I really want to go with the X1900GT, as it's the more powerful card compared to the 7600GT at only a bit more in cost, thats one down!

    Now, I really wanted to keep with the EVGA Mobo..
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188017

    But my qualms are the "No manual" and of a rule of thumb that people have been tossing around, saying that you should have a NVIDIA video card with a NIVIDIA processor, otherwise there might be problems.

    It seems to me all three of my Mobo choices have some problem with one of their "bridges", something about a bad cooling device there. So I'm prepared to buy one to replace it if I need to.

    As for the PSU, the reviews on the FSP Group one has lots of people saying that it has died over several months, which scares me. The Hiper PSU looks tempting but it has few reviews. I've been looking over other PSU's too, and foudn this Antec one..
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103937
    It seems to be pretty good but costly.

    EDIT: Please good gentlemen! Comment! I'm like refreshing this page every 5 minutes!
  33. Quote:

    But my qualms are the "No manual" and of a rule of thumb that people have been tossing around, saying that you should have a NVIDIA video card with a NIVIDIA processor, otherwise there might be problems.


    That's a wives tail. A tech site, either Tom's or Anandtech did a test and showed 0% increase or decrease depending on matching or opposing card and chipset manufacturers. Sorry for my delay, I was watching a movie.
  34. So should I stick with the EVGA 650 Ultra mobo and get a X1900GT and try to assemble it all without the manual? (How hard is it without a manual anyways?)
  35. Not hard. You can DL it on their website im sure. I'd worry more about it not having the I/O panel and stuff like that. See what EXACTLY is included. I've seen OEM that had all the parts, just in a brown box.
  36. on the MB and GPU, go for it, no problem.
    As for the PSU, I would buy FSB, then Hiper, lastly a Smart power. Not one of Antec's best.
  37. ok, looked around newegg some more

    I can get you to ~$600 before the cost of the video card. If you could use the KB and Mouse in your current computer that would get you $64 cheaper. Then you can afford an 8800 GTS 320 for $260! Here's what I got:

    RAM: Newegg has ADATA 2GB DDR2-800 for $90

    Case: The rosewill you liked

    PSU: the FSP or Hiper

    HDD: Newegg has an Hitachi 250GB for $60

    MB: which ever you liked for $100. The 650i should be fine.

    CPU: Ewiz has the 4300 OEM for $99.00

    DVD: Newegg has a lite-on 16X dvd burner for $29

    Mouse: Your current one for free

    KB: Your current one for free

    Speakers: the ones you liked in your first post, if you must have new speakers

    CPU cooler: The money you saved on CPU will get you the Arctic Freezer mentioned in a previous post for 22 from Ewiz

    My math says this comes to $545. That leaves enough from your $800 for an 8800 GTS 320.
  38. http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=122-CK-NF66-T1&family=20

    That's the manual download. I would NOT let no manual stop me from getting a good o/c mobo. Like I said, mobo makers cut corners. None of the mobos is perfect. We deal with the imperfection.

    One guy above said you could o/c the cpu & ram at 2:1 ratio on DS3. Yes, you COULD, but would you be able to do that with the listed parts stably? I doubt it, though I have done it stably & can do it on my setup which isn't cheap(I plan to do it in winter if the cpu isn't upgraded, which it will most likely after Q3 price drops). 2:1 cpu/ram ratio means running the cpu at 100% over its specs or 3.6ghz vs 1.8ghz stock. With better cooling, perhaps. Out of the box with evga, you might get 3ghz out of the 4300 if you're lucky. You'd need better chipset cooling to go higher. Some overclockers stick a 40mm or 80mm fan or two in the chipset heatsinks.

    Oh crap! I looked at the back of the evga & found NO mounting holes for a chipset cooler. Not even mounting clips on the top.

    http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/13-188-017-05.jpg
    http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/13-188-017-04.jpg

    Unless you get a case with a 25cm side fan, you're not getting the best out of 650i ultra. I'd get the MSI P6N SLI.
  39. My budget has gone up to 1,000 dollars, courtesy of my sister since she wants my old computer. Now I must get an LCD as well. This gives me a bit more time to choose since depositing the money takes some time. Would the savings I've been seeing go away if I wait? (oh and should I wait till memorial day weekend? maybe they'll have big sales then?)


    Quote:
    Not hard. You can DL it on their website im sure. I'd worry more about it not having the I/O panel and stuff like that. See what EXACTLY is included. I've seen OEM that had all the parts, just in a brown box.


    So if I look through parts I need and if it's all there I'd be fine right?
    Oh and the Mobos I've picked are all retail I think, not OEM, I'm avoiding OEM.

    Quote:
    on the MB and GPU, go for it, no problem.
    As for the PSU, I would buy FSB, then Hiper, lastly a Smart power. Not one of Antec's best.


    Hmm, I'm still doubtful about that FSB, people keep saying it's dying on them, but I'll take my chances and go with it then. And what do you mean "Not one of Antec's best", are you saying that that particular antec PSU is good, but I don't need a PSU that good for my setup? (Since im not doing SLI and all that stuff)

    Quote:
    I can get you to ~$600 before the cost of the video card. If you could use the KB and Mouse in your current computer that would get you $64 cheaper. Then you can afford an 8800 GTS 320 for $260! Here's what I got:


    I can't use my current mouse and keyboard since my sister will be taking it.
    Geez a 8800GTS.. do I even need that much power? I'm making the jump from a some crappy PCI card (I play Day of Defeat original ATM), I think I'll be happy with a card around 100-150 dollars. (It kind of makes my stomach sink to know I'm spending 260 dollars on a graphics card)

    Quote:
    RAM: Newegg has ADATA 2GB DDR2-800 for $90

    I will stick with my XMS.

    Quote:
    HDD: Newegg has an Hitachi 250GB for $60

    I'll take this one for 5 bucks extra over my current choice.

    Quote:
    CPU: Ewiz has the 4300 OEM for $99.00

    If these guys are reputable sellers, I'll buy it from them.
    Oh I can get the gel stuff included in the savings, I guess I'll do this then.

    Quote:
    One guy above said you could o/c the...


    I'm only planning to OC to about 2.2, so a 1.22/1 ratio (Just to be on the safe side).

    Quote:
    Oh crap!


    Aw man, just when I found a good one..
    http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16835207001

    Alright then, I guess MSI P6N will do, unless anyone else can suggest me any better mobos for around that price range. I'm going to sort through all my parts again and relist.

    EDIT: OMG, the antec PSU is only 7 dollars more then the FSP one, and the list one of you linked me to shows the Antec as a being good/reputable.
  40. Alrighty, here's almost finalized list!


    864 dollars
    Still need a motherbard and heatsink, so add ~100 for mobo and ~20 for heatsink. (If I need it)

    AAA Acer AL1706Ab Black 17" 8ms LCD Monitor 270 cd/m2 500:1 - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009088

    $145.99
    3 Business Day Shipping $11.99

    AAA Speakers - Logitech X-230 32 watts RMS 2.1 Black Speaker System - OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16836121123

    $38.99
    3 Business Day Shipping $11.33

    AAA Keyboard - Logitech Media Elite 967559-0403 Black 102 Normal Keys 18 Function Keys USB + PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16823126178

    $23.99
    3 Business Day Shipping $6.41

    AAA Mouse - Logitech MX518 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB + PS/2 Wired Optical Gaming-Grade Mouse - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16826104178

    $39.99
    Free 3 Business Day Shipping

    AAA CD Drive - LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM 1.5MB Cache SATA Combo Drive - OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827106040

    $25.99
    Free 3 Business Day Shipping

    AAA Processor - Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Allendale 1.8GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115013

    $114.50
    Free 3 Business Day Shipping

    AAA HITACHI Deskstar T7K250 HDT722525DLA380 (0A31636) 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145087

    $59.99
    Free 3 Business Day Shipping

    AAA RAM - CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
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  41. As you are still at the thinking stage, have you seen this article? it might help to mess with your thought process, in a good way of course :wink: http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=642
  42. Thanks for the link. Excerpt from the article:
    Quote:
    Finally the best part about this overclock is the ASUS P5N-E SLI motherboard, as it offers asynchronous overclocking. This means while the processor FSB was set to 300MHz, the memory was able to work at 800MHz and to our knowledge this does not have a negative impact on performance. This means that users are able to purchase ultra cheap memory such as the Corsair ValueSelect 2GB DDR2-667 kit for just $100 US. The Antec Performance TX TX1050B featuring a 500 watt power supply was more than enough to fuel this overclock. All in all it is possible to take an average system and turn it in to a high-end killer!

    Just reaffirm what I've been saying about 650i/680i's asynchronous overclockability. Basically, 650i is a poor man's overclocking dream come true. One overclocker said it's the ultimate overclocking, I couldn't agree more. The following screenshot should be seen by every new overclocker:

    http://www.legionhardware.com/pic.php?image=/Pics/Trouble-free_E4400_Overclocking/BIOS_05.jpg

    Not sure about Acer, but a lot of people swear by Hanns-G:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50011143&Manufactory=11143&bop=And&Order=PRICE

    Out of the 3 psu's mentioned, I'd still get the Hiper, but to each his own.
  43. I have (2) Hanns-G and I love them.
  44. I am considering 'defecting' to a e4400 rig myself on the strength of that article alone, and if it turns out to be bunkum then at least I wouldn’t have spent large sums to find out that legionhardware talks bollox :lol: , PSU wise I like my newly acquired HX620w but for a budget build I would most likely use it’s little bro’ the HX520w from Corsair (five year warranty not to be sniffed at) and if I were going to use the rig for gaming then I would set my sights on a 8800 320 meg version just in case a DX 10 game does roll up sometime in the near future. :)
  45. Agh, I'll just stick with my E4300, as for the motherboard, I'll go with the MSI P6N 650i. I'll also stick with the Acer one since there are tons of reviews and stuff on it.

    @Mousemonkey: see but I don't have 120 dollars to spend on a PSU, would the antec one be a good choice?
  46. I've never used one myself so I don't feel best qualified to answer that conclusivly but a read of mpilchfamily's sticky should answer any and all questions you ever had about PSU's.
  47. Just clarifying, on the MSI board, it says SLI so the ATI card will work fine in it but I won't be able to run dual cards right? (Since its not crossfire)
  48. Correct & vice versa: single nvidia card in ati mobo
  49. I bought all of it yesterday, and I took out my original mouse and got a G5 Logitech one from Dell for 32 dollars. Also took out Corsair ram for the A-data someone reccomended and got a E4400 instead of E4300. Now I wait :)
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