Hey guys/gals,
What do you recommend for defrag software?
I would like an application that doesn't run in the background all the time, just runs when i execute it. I have used a few but would like all your opinions and maybe a quick " I like it because..." if you don't mind.
Thanks in advance everyone !
executive software diskeeper
And whats wrong with the disk defragmentor that comes with windows?
| mikekazik1 wrote : And whats wrong with the disk defragmentor that comes with windows? |
Yeah what is wrong with it?
Reply to physx7
Cant do some stuff like defrag registry, pagefile, MFT.
| gomerpile wrote : Cant do some stuff like defrag registry, pagefile, MFT. |
Does it really make a big difference?
Yes this does make a difference specially increasing the size of the mft and a regular defrag of the PF, and MFT. This will prevent long term file errors and increase access times in the long run. Also windows defrag will cause long term errors because windows defrag cannot move files that the system has in memory or cache.
What's right with the disk defragmenter that comes with windows?
It shows the estimated disk condition after the defrag as being the same as the start, which is no use at the start.
It takes an age and slows the PC down (which one puts up with because after all one is defragmenting the disk) but does seem overly intrusive.
When it's finished you look at the result and are amazed to find it hasn't bothered to collect all the free space in one place.
Also it has failed to defragment some of the files so when you analyse it again it suggests the disk needs defragmenting again.
Not sure if I caught everything but I think that's the main bits. It's ok, it does a job, but it hardly achieves a top quality service.
So that's it ? No votes for anything other than (executive software) Diskeeper ? Sounds a bit of a coronation, rather than a debate.
This looks like an old thread, but since it's been bumped up, I'll throw in another vote for Diskeeper. It always works perfectly on my system(s) and has multiple defrag modes to choose from.
yeah diskeeper is the sweetspot,if you dont like it running it on the background you can disable it from the services.msc.
It's not that old really, and did come up on Google when I searched for advice
Well I downloaded the trial. It seems to work reasonably. Performed an intial normal defrag. But then failed when I tried a boot-up defrag (after complaining of not being able to open a log file ?!?)
Doesn't seem able to get rid of all the "red". And has serious problems when the free space is limited, finishing with next to nothing changed.
And comes up with some strange claims at times, such as claiming my C: drive had 0% free space, when it actually has 38%.
But on the plus side, after a number of runs, it has made a big difference in the fragmentation, well above what the MS supplied defrag was able to do. And unlike the MS one, informed me that the page file was in 13 parts (!), which it has now gathered together into one.
It seems a reasonable utility, but with a few unexplained bits as mentioned.
Diskeeper 2008 is optimized for background defrag, and performs significantly better running it as suggested, compared to running it in manual mode. I've always left it on background defrag mode, and it has performed excellently. The only time I even need to access the GUI to occasionally check the state of the drives (and they're always fine). It even defragged my 160 GB Hitachi drive which was filled with MS Office docs, gazillions of JPEGS/TIFFs etc when there was only about 4 % free space left.
I've been using Auslogics disk defrag for quite a while now and I think it does a pretty good job. It's also free...can't beat that!
Ref to defrag programs - MaxumPC June 2008 Ed.
XP uses a stripped down version Of Diskkeeper, Vist used a redesigned defrag program.
These quotes are in reference to Vista, NOT XP.
Auslogis Disk Defrag
"It's free and fast but doesn't improve system performance."
Diskeeper 2008
"For all its options, Diskeeper 2008 did nothing to increse our rig's performance."
After defrag using vista and the other two, Bench mark PCMark Overall was higher using vista's defrag. And startup faster. Vista 133 Sec, Auslogics - 176 Sec and Diskeeper - 186 Sec.
For XP I use Nortons, NOT as Good as the older version used on 98.
PerfectDisk 2008.
Main rival to disk keeper, but does actually work in my experience.
I just used Auslogics cleaner, and it did one important thing that vistas standard defrag doesn't do, and that is free up 32Gb of space. I mean, come on thats about 13% of the drive, and I was wondering where it was cause I just couldn't account for it.
Disk defrag should *not* clear up any space; it should only rearrange file fragments to make them contiguous. Unless it deletes files ofcourse.
Can you check and reply whether whether Auslogics has deleted your restore points in Vista? Are there any restore points from the time before you ran this defrag? The fact that it freed up ~13% of the drive which is about the amount of space reserved for restore points, is a bit unnerving.
With Vista, it's always better to use a VSS-aware defragmenter to preserve shadow copies/restore points. Infact, I use Diskeeper 2008 pro, and the manual expressly recommends the use of the VSS-aware defrag mode on such Vista volumes. Incidentally, I've not had any problems with Diskeeper, and it always does an excellent job in keeping the drives defragmented.
My drawback for Diskeeper is the limit on the hard drive size. Only their Windows Home Server edition has an unlimited hard drive size for defragmenting. Has anyone used a program that will work for hard drives 4TB and up? I have a raid 5 that could use a good defragging.
I've used Perfect Disk in the past, which is okay, and better than the built in tools that you get with Windows. I haven't tried the other rival products but I'd say Perfect Disk is pretty good at what it does.
I think the problem is a lot of people have the wrong idea about what Disk Defrag actually does. And so they're a little disappointed when they don't notice a life changing surge or an upturn in performance the second Windows reboots! The normal Windows disk defrag is by no means useless. It's just not very....user friendly.
I run Diskeeper on production systems and auslogics on stuff I'm playing with. One thing that irritates the heck out of me is Diskeepers Auto Defrag. You'd think it would stop running when you try to reboot your machine but I've had systems with large files not shut down for hours after telling it too because Diskeeper was in the middle of defragging and didn't want to let go.
Most people would probably just reboot but that leaves you worse off than when you started.
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I use Defraggler and I see major improvements in my system to the point that I run it almost weekly. I do a lot of file moving from disk to disk (aka downloading, editing, etc) and Defraggler has always managed to keep my drives inline unlike anything else. It's not a huge program with fancy bells and whistles but what it does do it does well.
i find this really intresting. im curious about all the alternatives.
there is two applications that i found to be my best choice.
the first one is defraggler, its small, its free, and i think its doind its job. but maybe im just a sucker for Piriforms applications, i use Ccleaner too.
The other one is Magic Defrag. i really like the idea of constant defrag when the computer is not used. Its in the background checking for fragmented files. but this got me thinking, is the ram use really worth the gain of perfomance of defrag?
anyone got some better application? Or is there any good reviews on defrag applications?
ive never noticed a suitable drop in performance from a fragmented drive to worry about it, however i have noticed a big drop in performance when using programs that defrag in the background(they are sometimes slow to stop), therefore i defrag using the normal windows tool about 1 every 6 month while im at work so it doesn't take up any of my time.
From what i've read background defrag is a relatively useless tool since it takes 6+ months of fragmentation to notice a performance impact on the user side. Defraging your hard drive once every month or so is all that's required.
O&O is pretty good too
Its fast can run as a Background app and as a Screensaver too
Use Ultimate Defrag 2008. It has the advantage of being able to stack old files at the end of the disc (where r/w performance is less).
Also JkDefrag that is freeware can put files at the end of disc, but ulike UD, you cannot select wich files to stack to the end - all files will be sorted so they fill the harddrive space backwards. Of course there is more options.
Use the one provided with Windows.
I tried Diskeeper, and for sure it has finished sooner, but its result is bad - just as nearly all third-party defrags.
To understand it, you must know that putting file fragments together, as third-party softwares do, isn't enough. Windows' Defrag also puts together (since W98) the files that belong to a single application. Compare both with a watch and by listening to the hard drive's arm: Windows' Defrag is better.
About the register: Windows reads it fully to the Ram at bootup, so fragmentation is irrelevant, and writes immediately a full copy of it that will be the new register file.
About the paging file: it is anyway good practice to freeze its size to avoid fragmentation. Reduce it to zero, defragment, and create a fixed-size paging file - it won't move any more.
Windows' Defrag does defragment files currently in use.
More than choosing your defrag software, you can improve things by a sound partition of your hard drive. Put Windows on a (not too) small volume, application on another, and your documents on a third one. Only the Windows volume gets fragmented but doesn't mess up the applications volume, and the Windows volume is quickly defragmented. This small volume, at the beginning of the disk (fastest place) also keeps all pieces of Win close to another, thus reducing arm movements. Next advantage: if formatting the Windows volume, you keep your documents, and some programs stay ready to run.
Use Ntfs - for this reason as well - because Windows' Defrag is much faster on it.
Consolidating free space: Not very important with Ntfs, as it doesn't fragment a file just to use the first available free space. So letting some free space fragmented is a sound time saving.
I defrag about twice a month, it takes me 3 min in such a configuration.
Background defrag is not useless- it makes fragmentation one less Windows problem without having to lift a finger. It's a preventive approach to fragmentation. For busy systems it's very helpful.
And, Diskeeper-2009 is my choice of defrag software. It's excellent and a great improvement over the windows tool for speed and features.
I gave up partitioning a long time ago- it's pointless on large, fast drives.
Windows defragmenter does not defrag the master file table incidentally and it needs to be accessed for each file read.
I'd say background defragmentation is a huge way of actually fragmenting the files!
On a clean install every program gets installed in a folder, placed on an empty space on the harddrive.
As soon as you start background defragging, files of one program end up defragmented inbetween other files of other programs.
So instead of having one program located in one directory, located on one location on the disk, now they are spread around the disk.
That's one of the reasons what makes vista so slow.
As far as reading something into ram in vista, that's all great and all, but you still need to read it from the disk, before it can be loaded into the ram.
I'm currently also using O&O defrag, and it seems pretty ok!
The slowest 3 settings are good for the once in 3-6 month defragger.
It also has background defragging, but you can disable that fairly easy!
Diskeeper
Diskeeper is definitely the best solution. They have developed a lot of unique technology that allows it to be a fully automatic solution for fragmentation. Of course, you can always tell it not to run at certain times as well, but I have never had to use that feature. It also does well in low free space environments, handle all system critical files, etc.
You should get a copy of the free trial off their website. It is fully fictional and I am sure you will be happy with it.
I have used each of the ones listed above. All do a good job except the standard shipped with windows. Supporting over 200 machines, and having windows 7, vista ultimate, windows 2003 smb, windows 2007 server, 5 xp boxes in my own office, I have settled on disktrix ultimate defrag because of the advanced features such as moving rarely used files to the inner tracks, moving boot files and frequently used files to the outer tracks and control over where the MFT resides, along with keeping indexes next to MFT. FOr novices, just use the auto feature. www.disktrix.com fully functional trial. 2nd best is perfect disk. Bootvis is a great tool but xp "retunes" boot every 3 days so the benefits get lost then and must be rerun.
I have used O&O for the past 4 years and until recently it has been prety good. now I'm finding that it glitches on some files. it will sit there and move one mp3 back and forth for hours unless I stop it. it has also had problems with lots of large files on a drive. i have things like rainbow tables and iso's of dvds that have never been defraged. I moved to diskeeper a few months ago and it has no problem with the large files. the only problem i have with it is that it takes about 20 mins just to analyze my external 500 gig sata drive.
| mikekazik1 wrote : And whats wrong with the disk defragmentor that comes with windows? |
Well, It takes ages to finish. That's what I really hate about it.
I found a good alternative to it. Auslogics Disk Dfrag. It can easily defrag your system in just a couple of minutes or hours depending on the size and how frequently you defragment your system.
Get it here: http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag
| mikekazik1 wrote : Does it really make a big difference? |
It makes a heck of a difference if you are trying to defrag your partition small enough so that you can have a single dual layer or maybe a single 4.29G DVD hold a live,installable backup of your Vista partition...
Vopt wont defrag the mft, although vopt is great, this makes me wish it had... I used Several different free and trial versions of defragmenters to see which one I liked best. I wont say which of the commercial ones i liked best because that was a while ago and I dont recall which one i used. Suffice to say Several of them allow MFT defragmenting and the included one is the regular crap that windows puts with it's operating system so they can say it has one.
It's like you're using Paint and PhotoShop.. heck of a difference, and there's a lot bewteen the two, some of it free, some of it great.
If you want to reinstall your oem Vista and go through all the crap it installs, and leave on the stupid partition at the end of your drive taking up valuable space, that's fine.
But just imagine making the restore 2 or 3 DVD SET that it <allows> you to do once.. and then restore your Vista to see that it works.. Then you take off all the crap that you DONT want, don't need, and wont ever use and then defrag the heck out of it, and then back it up onto 1 dvd using a live-installable program like Acronis.. You will need to use acronis or some other partition-magic(which isnt vista compatible)-like-substance to make it smaller.
If you rely on windows disk manager to Shrink the drive, it will hit a limit where it cannot go past, even tho there is TONS of empty space on your drive.. so what is the problem? It's windows OWN defrag which cannot move certain files...
I eventually got it to the point where after temporarily setting the Virtual Memory size to Zero for all drives ( I have 12 gig of ram), then rebooting and "Actually" erasing the virtual memory file, I could defrag one last time, shrink it with acronis and then use Acronis to make an emergency Vista reinstall DVD on a single dual layer disk. I have all the drivers and settings that are standard with vista, and the current updates for it and although I may never need it. I have it... no crapola crippled versions of games i never used, and all the bare minimum stuff I NEED on my computer in a small enough package that I can install it on the smallest partition possible.. If you don't enjoy Vista to after it's installed, wading thru screen after screen of junk that it does when it's installing the rest of itself and crapola, you cannot use windows defrag.
Windows buys technology from people and uses it until it rusts and causes problems, then it solves it minimally itself or buys up the first thing that would fix it.
the elder geek on his website used to complain about windows' OPEN TCP/IP stack and that it was not secure like the Unix/BSD stack it was copied from. The unix stack being on a secure platform was either initially secure from the start or was Made secure later when the need arose for closing such a holes. That's why trojans and viruses run rampant on windows systems, not primarily because they are so prevalent on desktops, but because it's so easy for programs to open a connection to the internet without having to ask the operating system for permission. Only when you install service pack after service pack or have a separate Anti-virus/Firewall program do you get something in the way of a Band-Aid to fix it. It's not built in, so it's easy for infections to get in.
Windows 7 installs on a single layer DVD, why cant an oem backup of your vista installation be that small?
The GOOD win7 dvds are AIO(all in one)which lets you pick 32 bits for someone's tiny computer if you need it, but have 64 bits for the monsters..
Note, the defrag on Win 7, is still not as good as most commercial products... we're stuck with the same old song and dance, my friends...
Just to do some thread necromancy,
I found Ultimate Defragger 2008 to be the best defragging tool so far.
On an average 100GB HD, filled with 50GB of data, it takes just minutes.
You can also do a super-thorough defrag, which will take about 24 hours (sorting all files by folder name and file name), but after this fragmentation your system response is about 40% faster!
Something I've NEVER experienced with any other defragment software!
You can select operating system files, and Program files to be fragmented on the outside of the disk, where they'll read faster; and select large data files like movies,ISO's, or other large compressed archives to the center of the disk (since they do not need a faster loading speed, and most of the time are not read fast anyways.
I recommend defraggler which is made by piriform (the same bunch that brought us Ccleaner)
You may find it here. It is completely free :
http://www.piriform.com/defraggler
I hope that helps you.
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