AnandTech explains AMD's past and future moves.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2986&p=1
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2986&p=1
Much to our dismay and definitely against our recommendations, AMD will not follow in Intel's footsteps and let us do a performance preview of Agena or Barcelona. In fact, AMD wouldn't even let us know what clock speeds its demo systems were running at. While we cautioned AMD that a lack of information disclosure at this point would only reinforce this idea that AMD is lagging far behind Intel, AMD's counterpoint does have some validity. AMD's reasoning for not disclosing more information today has to do with not wanting to show all of its cards up front, and to give Intel the opportunity to react. We still don't believe it's the right decision, and we can't help but believe that the reason for not disclosing performance today is because performance isn't where it needs to be, but only AMD knows for sure at this point.
I found it interesting the article points out that AMD made "a cardinal sin" by updating both the uArch and fab process at the same time. And while this double update has resulted in significant delays, it seems to me that it was necessary so AMD could remain competitive.
The Fusion project and Torrenza fascinates me. The article really didn't elaborate on Fusion and Torrenza much beyond vanilla business machines and I wonder if they plan to move that concept into the enthusiast/workstation category. I would like to see a dual socket mobo with DDR3 or DDR4 memory support and using one socket for a cpu and the 2nd socket for a gpu. A dual socket mobo like that combined with integrated cpu/gpu on one die would open the door for multiple combinations of workstation/gaming/scientific specific machines.
In light of this article, it seems that AMD will be the "tock" in Intel's tick-tick product strategy by releasing similiar products approx. 6 months behind Intel.
I found it interesting the article points out that AMD made "a cardinal sin" by updating both the uArch and fab process at the same time. And while this double update has resulted in significant delays, it seems to me that it was necessary so AMD could remain competitive.
The Fusion project and Torrenza fascinates me. The article really didn't elaborate on Fusion and Torrenza much beyond vanilla business machines and I wonder if they plan to move that concept into the enthusiast/workstation category. I would like to see a dual socket mobo with DDR3 or DDR4 memory support and using one socket for a cpu and the 2nd socket for a gpu. A dual socket mobo like that combined with integrated cpu/gpu on one die would open the door for multiple combinations of workstation/gaming/scientific specific machines.
In light of this article, it seems that AMD will be the "tock" in Intel's tick-tick product strategy by releasing similiar products approx. 6 months behind Intel.
I found it interesting the article points out that AMD made "a cardinal sin" by updating both the uArch and fab process at the same time. And while this double update has resulted in significant delays, it seems to me that it was necessary so AMD could remain competitive.
The Fusion project and Torrenza fascinates me. The article really didn't elaborate on Fusion and Torrenza much beyond vanilla business machines and I wonder if they plan to move that concept into the enthusiast/workstation category. I would like to see a dual socket mobo with DDR3 or DDR4 memory support and using one socket for a cpu and the 2nd socket for a gpu. A dual socket mobo like that combined with integrated cpu/gpu on one die would open the door for multiple combinations of workstation/gaming/scientific specific machines.
In light of this article, it seems that AMD will be the "tock" in Intel's tick-tick product strategy by releasing similiar products approx. 6 months behind Intel.
Anand wrote up a very nice article on this, the most encouraging:
For a while we had lost confidence in AMD, like many of you had as well, and although AMD's position in the market hasn't changed we are more confident now that it can actually bounce back from this. Intel seemed to have the perfect roadmap with Conroe, Penryn and Nehalem all lined up back to back, and we saw little room for AMD to compete. Now, coming away from these meetings, we do believe that AMD may have a fighting chance. Over the coming months you'll begin to see why; it won't be an easy battle, but it will be one that will be fought with more than just price.
It reminds me alot of some of the things I have said concerning AMD in the past year. I believe at one point I did say they werent releasing any news as part of a strategy to not allow Intel to answer. I am just amazed at how far they have taken it.
Pushing desktop parts to Q4 says everything about what the intent is. I would hope that barcelona arrives on time. Well , ontime from the last felay announcement. They really need to pick up the pace and get back in black.
Good lord I wish AMD would just release some thing.........
Please.........
I don't know but this sounds like a load of crock to me. I didn't think these two companies were making products that could be altered "on the fly" sorta speak. I might be wrong, but from memory, I can't recall AMD being this hush-hush about their upcoming product when they were about to release the original K8.AMD's reasoning for not disclosing more information today has to do with not wanting to show all of its cards up front, and to give Intel the opportunity to react.
WOW, what's going on with AMD? It's reached 14.7$ / Share
Is it because of what they are saying?
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=hotStocksNews&storyID=2007-05-11T183121Z_01_N11480783_RTRUKOC_0_US-AMD-SHARES.xml
Not sure if you read the other article, but its exceptional that THG actually hints at the fact that Intel is able to copy AMD's ideas in such a small amount of time because of the resources Intel actually has they can actually release the idea first. Makes sense as to why we havent heard much about Barcy.
If AMD is about secrets and not letting Intel know of intelligence, why did they claim 40% greater performance in FP than Core2Duo? Why all the detailed architecture diagrams? Why did they release R600 scores and not Barcelona? Does nVidia not copy and Intel does? Once they made the claims they made, they were obligated to back it up.
Regardless how you see it, it is hard to see any positive aspects from the way AMD is conducting themselves.
I wouldnt be surprised to see Intel answer in the same manner. AMD confirming my suspicions on this could put intel into a similar attitude and result in the most insane leapfrog loop of all time. :lol:
get your 2900xt's ,right at the price range i was talking about !!! get your 2900 xt's
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