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July 12, 2009 4:37:33 AM

Hi, I have been on this forum for a while, but I am usually on the hardware pages most of the time, however I am sort of new to the operating system part, I mean i don't know much about operating systems and how they work except for your average windows. Well I would like to ask a little help for something. I have another computer that I don't do anything much on except for doing a couple important tasks like I need use to share a bunch of hard drives on my LAN, do all my important downloads, defragment itself and my shared drives, and mostly I keep back-ups of all my multimedia on it and important stuff that I have, and use the internet on it, i am sure there are browsers for it. well my question is, currently that computer uses Microsoft windows xp, however with all the security holes, bugs, instability, and complexity of windows, and all those pesky annoying malware, viruses, trojans,spyware,adware and etc...which truth be told I am quite sick of, actually I am quite good at hunting them down and removing since I had so many but its lots of work and I still get annoyed from it! I would like to switch to a more simple,stable,more perfected, operating system with less bugs, holes...etc and people say that Linux would be perfect for that computer. I would like to hear some opinions from other people and if possible share your experience with and if possibly explain to me if it will suite my needs. I did some research and it looks pretty good and its cool since its free :)  Also please tell me if there are different versions, their differences and which one I would need, and if possible a download link, also I am guessing you need to download a file and then put it on a c.d. in order to install...correct?

-I apologize about all the questions since I am quite new and really need answers lol but any help would be greatly appreciated! Please give me any opinions, information, and anything you would like to share ! Thank you so much

-b1ackhawk1928

-Also if you need the specs of the computer to see if it will even support linux then here they are:
-Its a laptop that isn't superpowerful but its old and does what I need it to do :) 
-Processor: Intel Pentium 4 3.0ghz
-RAM: 768MB of ram
-Video:Radeon Mobility IGP

More about : linux

July 12, 2009 2:53:03 PM

Thank you so much for your help, I went the first link you gave me. It will be fine If I use the "Direct Download" and download the i386, then burn the iso image file onto a CD or a DVD and then just install it? right?
-Also are fedora and ubuntu versions of linux or different operating systems? If they are different versions of linux which one would you recommend or which one is better for which tasks?
-Once again thank you.
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July 12, 2009 3:57:08 PM

Yup, use the direct download and get the Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso, if you don't have a dvd drive you can use the Fedora-11-i386-netinst.iso network install CD.

Fedora and Ubuntu are two very popular Linux distributions, they offer the same features for the most part and are functionally equivalent.

Try them both :) 

Good luck :) 
July 12, 2009 4:25:01 PM

Yeah I just read the guide and seems like Fedora and Ubuntu have the best gooey interface and are the most user-friendly. However which one is better for my needs, I cant decide which one to put, which would you recommend or somebody else and why?
July 12, 2009 4:32:11 PM

Both are very good, try Fedora first :)  It usually supports more hardware.

:) 
July 12, 2009 4:55:02 PM

Okay thank you :)  I will try it in that case
July 12, 2009 6:04:36 PM

Cool :)  Keep the questions coming :) 
July 12, 2009 6:47:14 PM

once I install it, where do I get updates for it?
July 12, 2009 6:57:36 PM

You run yum update or the gui updater :) 

It's easy you just need a decent internet connection.
July 12, 2009 7:37:19 PM

Oh yeah, I have fast internet speed, its 25mbps :) 
July 12, 2009 7:54:29 PM

Oh I had a question, the link you gave me has very slow servers and gives me a download rate of never more then 20kb per second, I found a link on filefront (it gives you like 1MB+ per second that I think is similar:
http://www.filefront.com/4403342/Fedora-Core-4-i386-DVD...
-Is this the right one, its fedora, its i386 as you said, its a DVD ISO, however what is core 4? Also on the direct download DVD ISO on your link gave me a file size of 3.43GB and on filefront its giving me a file of only 2.46GB, if this is the wrong version is there any other website that I can download this faster?

-Thank you so much for your help so far!
July 12, 2009 8:52:34 PM

After you have the Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso make sure you verify it!

http://www.fedoraproject.org/en/verify


Quote:

md5 e3b1e2d1ba42aa4705fa5f41771b3927 Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso

sha1 ed7a07ca6f58b75e05195c42b61475170d1eef54 Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso

sha256 6e812e782e52b536c0307bb26b3c244e1c42b644235f5a4b242786b1ef375358 Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso


Quote:


gpg --verify Fedora-11-i386-CHECKSUM
gpg: Signature made Thu 04 Jun 2009 05:19:28 PM EDT using RSA key ID D22E77F2
gpg: Good signature from "Fedora (11 Testing) <fedora@fedoraproject.org>"
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: AEE4 0C04 E345 60A7 1F04 3D7C 1DC5 C758 D22E 77F2

6e812e782e52b536c0307bb26b3c244e1c42b644235f5a4b242786b1ef375358 *Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso

July 13, 2009 12:32:00 AM

I actually changed my mind, I am actually going to create a new partition on my drive and make a dual boot system with xp and with linux :)  I just did it to be safe and all, I already downloaded it, burn the iso image file onto a DVD and about to install :)  I looked at a tutorial and looks good

-If I any other questions i will post them and thank you so much for your help
-Blackhawk1928
July 13, 2009 1:26:58 AM

Oh wait, I am not quite sure which file system it uses....I didn't know if it used ntfs or not so I just left my new partition with no file system and hopefully when I install fedora, It will automatically create its own file system as it needs.
July 13, 2009 2:13:25 AM

You should create a 256MB /boot partition ext3 - not ext4.

You can then either create a large / partition using ext4 or use LVM.

Quote:

1st partition NTFS

2nd partition 256MB /boot ext3

3rd partition / ext4 or LVM


Good luck :) 
July 13, 2009 2:33:57 AM

well for xp I am using 1st partition and for 2nd partition, linux will install its own file system and operating system from the cd...
July 13, 2009 4:03:31 AM

-ahh, wait I installed it, can I verify it after I installed it?
-I already installed it and I cant find any network/internet drivers for it or any display drivers and I really need them! Plz help
July 13, 2009 4:37:34 AM

Or re-install and configure rpmfusion during the install process.
July 13, 2009 5:17:46 AM

kind of new to this so please be patient with me, how do I verify? All these commands are so new to me and i dont quite understand, what exactly do I need to do step by step to verify Linux Fedora core 11 (the one i got)?

-and the only rpm i know is how fast a hard drive speeds (rounds per minute) i really dont know what rpm means in terms of this and what do I need to in order to get everything started like installing the rpm and using yum.

-and how do I get a network driver so I can connect to my LAN and start using the Internet ?
-I am assuming I download the rpmfusion for fedora 11 free, not the nonfree, correct?
-Once again thank you
July 13, 2009 5:34:32 AM

On Linux RPM also known as rpm is not revolutions per minute, it's the Red Hat Package Manager. It is used to install, update, upgrade and remove software on many Linux distributions.

Fedora uses RPMs.

Quoting wikipedia

Quote:

Package managers have many advantages over relying on manual installation such as:

* They present a uniform, clean way for users to install and remove programs with a single command.
* There are many popular interfaces, both command-line and graphical.
* Non-interactive installation makes it easy to automate.

RPM also has a few advantages over some other package managers:

* It is the Linux (LSB) standard format.
* It is popular: the typical rpm repository (the place where the packages are made available publicly) contains thousands of free applications.
* RPM packages can be cryptographically verified with GPG and MD5
* Original source archive (e.g. .tar.gz, .tar.bz2) are included in SRPMs, making verification easier (for security-critical packages like OpenSSH it is possible to check with md5sum that the sources were not modified).
* DeltaRPMs, the RPM equivalent of a patch file, can incrementally update RPM-installed software without needing the original package.




rpmfusion links to these instructions for verifying RPM keys https://fedoraproject.org/keys

You should install both the free and nonfree RPMs from rpmfusion.

There is no charge for the RPMs or the software they allow you to install. Free and non-free is referring to software freedom.
July 13, 2009 5:42:03 AM

Linux has MD5 built-in, you can use the terminal to check it (forgot the command! *cry*) For windows google MD5 & install it, run the program & direct it to the iso. It should give you a long string of random numbers & letters. Go to the fedora website & copy the MD5 string for your version (ie. i386) paste it into the spot for the MD5 program & click check/verify.

rpm is the file many linux distros use for their updates (think of it as a update file/system) the other system/file is .deb which debian & ubuntu use.

Just install Fedora & it will update automatically.

Since your new you should try fedora or ubuntu's live cd.

*gasp!* linux_0 beat me to it!
July 13, 2009 5:54:59 AM

RPM has built-in checksums and digital keys to make sure the software you install is authentic, has not been tampered with and has not been corrupted as it was being downloaded.

You should only install official RPMs from Fedora and verified RPMs from rpmfusion and livna when necessary. You shouldn't install software from just anywhere.

Good luck :) 
July 13, 2009 6:09:05 AM

blackhawk1928 said:
when I went to your second link here is what i got once I clicked on fedora 11 free and then once I clicked download: it gave me this
http://rpmfusion.org/keys?action=AttachFile&do=get&targ...



That is one of the two keys you need.

Save the keys on your hard drive.

Then open a terminal. Applications => System Tools => Terminal


su -

type in the root password you entered during installation to become the super user ( aka root ), be super careful what you do as root, do not run commands you found on google

download 'http://rpmfusion.org/keys?action=AttachFile&do=view&tar...' and 'http://rpmfusion.org/keys?action=AttachFile&do=view&tar...'

rpm --import /path/to/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-11
rpm --import /path/to/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-nonfree-fedora-11

replace /path/to/ with the real directory the keys are in


After you import the keys download the free and nonfree RPMs from rpm fusion into your current directory and run

rpm --checksig *.rpm

If the rpms are legitimate it should print "sha1 md5 ok" or something like that.

Good luck :) 
July 13, 2009 12:13:46 PM

LOL, I am starting to get a little hang of this but holy **** this is hard omg, it took me like 5 long hard sweaty years to master windows file system and registries, and now its like learning every thing all completley over from scratch, all my windows knowlegde is useless in this case, becuase linux is a whole new world of an operating system.Anxious to learn it though cause the corporate world is starting to use to more and more :)  However thanks for guiding through the first steps. Currently I am working on the keys.

-Oh and uh, what is the largest and best forum for linux, I found two linuxforums.org and linuxquestions.org, linuxquestions seems to have much more posts and people on it, so which would you recommend because i need to join a forum specifically for linux really badly for help on other stuff and I need a big forum with lots of people on it for lots of responses.
July 13, 2009 12:21:54 PM

Also is there a visual step by step guide on this to make make it easier for me?
-Since I dont have any internet or network drivers on my linux computer, I am using my other windows computer to get these keys, so I use a flash drive to transport them from one comp to another should I just copy and paste the key into notepad/textfile and then put into linux? How should I save them
July 13, 2009 1:29:26 PM

Okay I think I got it, I open up terminal (basically a command promt exept for linux) then I type su - and then type my password and instead of my username, I become root, then I type your two links which automatically download I guess! after that I type
rpm --import /path/to/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-11
rpm --import /path/to/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-nonfree-fedora-11
-I got everything for this last part where I need to import, where do i need to import it???
July 13, 2009 5:21:15 PM

rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-11 will import the key assuming it's in the current directory.

Fedora 11 should have automatically detected your ethernet interface on the laptop, unless it's incompatible.

Does it show a connection at the top right?
July 13, 2009 5:40:50 PM

If you're using wireless plug the laptop into a wired network to download the updates and install the RPMs and the software from rpmfusion.

rpmfusion also has proprietary wireless drivers ( if you need them ).

It's a lot better to use a wired network.

Good luck :) 
July 13, 2009 6:16:33 PM

I have a wireless network but the computer is currently connected to a wired network and says there is no connection at the top
July 13, 2009 6:21:51 PM

NO NO wait nevermind, I got the connection established...i messed with it and now it works
July 13, 2009 6:57:03 PM

Cool :) 

Download the updates and install the software from rpmfusion :) 
July 13, 2009 7:17:37 PM

Thanks, i'll post when I'm done that
July 13, 2009 9:19:59 PM

Hi, I am already posting this from linux yey!!
Anyway, I dont know why but the partition for linux on my computer is called "Filesystem" so anyway I download the two keys from firefox and they are located in "filesystem"/home/me(myuser)/download
-thats where they are, in the terminal, can you tell specifically what I need to type to import them, becuase I replace path to, to the actual directory and didn't work, i must have mispelled something or did it wrong.
July 13, 2009 9:37:53 PM

Open a terminal. Applications => System Tools => Terminal

cd ~/Download

pwd

The "pwd" command shows your current directory.

It should be /home/your-username/Download

Once you have the output from pwd, carefully su - to become root

Then run rpm --import /home/your-username/Download/your-key

:) 
July 13, 2009 9:55:23 PM

aha, and my key is called RPM-GPG-KEY?
July 13, 2009 9:58:23 PM

Whatever you downloaded from rpmfusion.

RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-11 and the nonfreee or whatever you saved them as.

Be careful as root, root is the super user

:) 
July 13, 2009 10:12:35 PM

its just not working, the keys aren't importing, it just says that the directory does not exist and stuff. And when i try to acess a folder called root, its says "I dont have permission"
July 13, 2009 11:30:12 PM

Ok, download the rpms for fedora 11 from rpmfusion.

Save them into your Download directory ( ~/Download )

Open a terminal. Applications => System Tools => Terminal

cd ~/Download

sha256sum *.rpm

and post the output please.

:) 
July 14, 2009 1:49:06 AM

Well I typed what you said and here it is

"fbed5a442414347a001582e0715884e22b694b36c35e99ceb95931a244f755f8 rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm
9ae50b69bfce8e9ec7477165d2673916d30fab629e391734ddf5287053caadc8 rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm"
July 14, 2009 2:00:47 AM


Quote:



rpm --checksig rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm
rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK

rpm --checksig rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm
rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK

sha256sum rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm
fbed5a442414347a001582e0715884e22b694b36c35e99ceb95931a244f755f8 rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm
9ae50b69bfce8e9ec7477165d2673916d30fab629e391734ddf5287053caadc8 rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm





Good, those look fine :) 

Open a terminal. Applications => System Tools => Terminal

cd ~/Download

pwd


su -

cd /home/your-username/Download

rpm -Uvh rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm

rpm -Uvh rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm

yum update

You will now be able to "yum install" for the rpm fusion repository.


For e.g.

yum install vlc

yum install mplayer

yum install *fglrx*



Good luck :) 
July 14, 2009 2:02:19 AM

You can also use the GUI ( graphical ) interface to install all that software.

System => Administration => Add/Remove Software

:) 
July 14, 2009 2:10:14 AM

ah, well then okay, the linux is installing loads of updates right now, after thats finished then I will try the add/remove software stuff ;) 
July 14, 2009 3:08:28 AM

Alright so all 241updates have been done, I went to the add/remove software stuff and there so many different files and softwares on it, and i have no clue which one i need, i typed in many things to get my video driver but there are too many results and i dont know which one i need: here all the stuff i typed
-Video driver
-display driver
-graphics driver
-graphics adapter driver and firmware
and etc...and there are too many confusing results!

-the add/remove software thing seems much simpler and easier so I would prefer if possible to use that :) 
July 14, 2009 3:11:33 AM

Try to install fglrx ( the proprietary ATI driver ) either using the GUI or by running yum.

yum install "*fglrx*"

You probably want vlc, mplayer and a few others as well.

:) 
!