Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

Hiper Silver 200W PSU with ati x1900. Please reply

Last response: in Systems
Share
May 14, 2007 4:26:59 PM

Hi having been rather shot down yesterday i have another question and build idea!!
I found a case that could be ideal for me:

Hiper Silver Media Center Case With 200W PSU - Only 53mm High

I was wondering what componants i could pair up with this given the low Watt power supply. I was thinking about an Ati all in wonder x1900.

But if not a 1950pro, 7900gs or 8600gt.

Also what dual core processor I could use.

Thanks in advance :D 

patrick
May 14, 2007 4:54:04 PM

Just buy a new psu, seriously, it would cost like $50. The wattage on that bundled psu is just too low, you're pretty much stuck with weak cards, like the 7300gt, or intagrated gfx.

This is and awesome psu, and it has about 3x the power of the one that comes with that unit, if not more.

Bundled power supplies are rarely any good, they're usually the old, low quality units a company just wants to get rid of.
May 14, 2007 4:58:58 PM

Thanks for replying so quickly. The problem is the case is only 53mm high so i dont think it will fit. Unless im being stupid and that is a really thin psu!

Thanks again

Patrick
May 14, 2007 5:15:46 PM

Oh, I just realized how thin 53mm is...

Well, get a mobo with intagrated gfx. Graphics cards, especially ones from ATi, produce lots of heat, and I doubt the airflow is any good in that case. It'll lighten the load on the psu as well. From what I can find, that psu only has about 10a on the +12v rail.
May 14, 2007 5:27:57 PM

Aw is there any card i could use like a 7900gs as i really wanna game on it.
Intergrated just doesnt hold up
May 14, 2007 5:42:16 PM

You have 3 options.

1) Get a new, bigger case, so you can get a decent psu.
2) Integrated gfx.
3) Get a card like the 7900gs, just don't game.

A typical system with one of the 4 gfx cards you mentioned in the OP will consume about 120w idle, and 150-180w on load. Now that 200w PSU could handle it, but power supplies really arent designed to handle that kind of stress for extended periods of time.
May 14, 2007 5:54:16 PM

Quote:
Aw is there any card i could use like a 7900gs as i really wanna game on it.
Intergrated just doesnt hold up


get a different case.

that is a specialized one, that only fits a small ps and a micro atx motherboard. you cant' have your cake and eat it too. if you want a lil box to run your tv and stereo, get the micro, if you want to game, get a real case.

Valis
May 14, 2007 5:55:27 PM

Ok seeing as i want to be able to play games and as 200w is clearly not enough im going to go for a larger case. like one of these:

Sweex Black MATX Desktop/Media Case - With 400W PSU.

Would that be able to take a 7900gs?

The other option would be to use an external psu (would that work???)
or maybe a power brick (again i dont know!!!) as i really like the 53mm case!

thanks

patrick
May 14, 2007 6:25:22 PM

Forget the 53mm case, it's just too thin to be used as an effective gaming system.

The CASE you mentioned would fine, the PSU on the other hand... Low quality + no-name brand = potential for disaster.

This is the psu you should get, plenty of power for the kind of system you want, great quality, low price.
May 14, 2007 6:40:17 PM

Ok so for a case maybe a Antec Fusion MATX MediaCenter Case with 430W PSU. (i would guess its the same as the one you suggested. Seems to have good reviews.

if i bought a c2d e4300 then OC'd it to 3ghz what sought of cooling would i need. (i dont want i loud either)

Then i was thinking 2 or even 3 500gb sata drives for hd video storage

2 or 4gb ram?

And what graphics card. I dont want to go overboard but i was thinking the all in wonder x1900 which will perform well but have the built in tv card as well.
May 14, 2007 7:07:05 PM

It's not the same one I suggested, the psu in the Fusion is only for the Fusion, it's not sold as a stand alone unit. Although I managed to find the UL number. It's made by Seasonic, the same company that makes the NeoHE line for Antec.

You might have a hard time oc'ing an E4300 that high. The Fusion only supports MATX boards, and most don't oc well.

If you're going to use a 64bit os get 4gb, if you're going to use a 32bit os use 2gb.

That card is out of date, if you want a tv tuner just get a seperate tv tuner. The 1950pro is a pretty good card, they go for around $150. If you can go a little higher, the 1950xt can be had for less the $200 now-a-days.
May 14, 2007 7:11:52 PM

ok how far should i be able to go. Ive only overclocked a graphics card before.

I was hoping maybe e6700 speeds? anyone know a good cooler.

Also how good (a guess) would a aiw x1900 run crysis (i know no one really knows but a aproximation would be nice)

thanks

patrick
May 14, 2007 7:18:51 PM

It depends on the mobo you get, I don't know of any M-ATX mobos that are good for oc'ing. If you got a case that supported full ATX boards you could hit 3ghz+ easy with a Gigabyte DS3 or Asus P5B Deluxe.

The Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro is a great hsf, they go for $25-30.

I doubt that card would run Crysis very well, but no one knows for sure ATM.
May 14, 2007 7:31:40 PM

Ok ive been thinking. An bascially reackon the best way to get gaming will be to use my aspire 5680 (vista premium 32 bit core 2 duo 2ghz 2b ram and ddr2 go7600. Yeah its a bit so so but i will do games ok. And i could upgrade to an xg station when it comes out if its not too pricey.

In the mean time i will use the 53mm case for a htpc. Based on that what would be the most powerful graphics card/cpu i could get away with.

I was thinking either the

the Ati all in wonder 2006

The nvidia 8600gt or 8500gt (this would be for video decoding)

The 7600gt or 7600gs

Then a e4300 @1.8ghz or an E6400@2.13ghx

Two 500gb hds if they fit!

4gb ram with vista 64 bit

sorry to mess you around! :oops: 

thanks for all your help

patrick
May 14, 2007 8:17:15 PM

Get a better psu.Somewhere around the 450-500watt range should suffice for now.A 200watt psu is good for running a basic PC these days and not much else.The power requirements for video cards these days exceed that 200watt output by a fair margin,even the lower end cards,with the system,require more.Goodluck.

Dahak

AMD X2-4400+@2.6 TOLEDO
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X EVGA 7950GT KO IN SLI
4X 512MB CRUCIAL BALLISTIX DDR500
WD300GIG HD/SAMSUNG 250GIG HD
ACER 22IN WIDESCREEN LCD 1600X1200
THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER 850WATT PSU
COOLERMASTER MINI R120
3DMARK05 13,471
May 14, 2007 8:29:34 PM

Oh well looks like im gonna be stuck on intergrated for this build. Will that mean i have poor hd video and dvd rip performance. Im kinda stuck unless anyone knows about a 450watt psu thats 50mm thick!

Also anymore news on the asus xg station as i quite fancey one of them for my laptop.
May 14, 2007 8:37:59 PM

Have just found the ideal motherboard. Which will be perfect for outputting to 1080p tv and will have ok graphics.

Abit Fatal1ty F-I90HD ATI Micro ATX (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard

Set up a fully fledged high definition home theater system with true digital HDTV in 1080p resolution. High Definition gaming offers some of the most thrilling and immersive moments in entertainment today. The integrated ATI Radeon™ X700-based graphics engine provides the 3D rendering power needed to accelerate the Windows Vista™ desktop and delivers a great gaming experience out of the box. The innovative Avivo™ display architecture provides users with visual quality that is second to none. Advanced scaling and color correction capabilities, along with increased precision through the entire display pipeline, ensure an optimal image on CRT monitors, LCD panels, and all other display devices. Solid State Capacitors in the CPU and PWM areas significantly reduce heat and offer the most stable voltage regulation, thereby increasing performance while extending product life, even under the most stressful conditions. Special PWM layout ensures a stable current to all parts of the motherboard. 100% Japanese made capacitors surround the PCB for enhanced stability, performance and durability. North- and South Bridges are cooled separately by abit Engineered extra-wide and highly efficient heat sink and heat spreader combinations, creating a totally silent motherboard solution.


Come on an x700 intergrated yyeeesss
May 14, 2007 11:13:53 PM

Look at PP&C web site, they sell small PSUs designed to fit in Dell cases. I think they go up to 430W and would run a x1950
May 15, 2007 9:05:49 AM

Quote:
Look at PP&C web site, they sell small PSUs designed to fit in Dell cases. I think they go up to 430W and would run a x1950


I googled PP&C and couldn't find their site. Could you give me a link

thanks

patrick
May 15, 2007 9:13:52 AM

Unless i can find a more powerful psu i think ive finished my build what does everyone think?

Hiper 53mm silver case with 200w psu
Abit Fatality F-190Hd (intergraded x700 and 1080p output)
2gb (2x1gb) corsair xms2 ddr2 5400c4
500gb Segate Hd 7200rpm 16mb Cache
Vista home premium 64 bit
Intel e4400 @ 2.0ghz
Hiper Hiperflow Cooling fanlow profile.
Nec Slimline DVD-RW

Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-T digital freeview USB TV Tuner

Comes to £505 including P&P.

Thanks

Patrick
May 15, 2007 9:55:38 AM

Post back in 6 months to a year and let us know if that POS 200 watt PS blew up and fried you system.
May 15, 2007 10:10:22 AM

It should be fine. Not exactly high power consuming componants.
May 15, 2007 10:34:07 AM

Don't even try it. Get a better PSU like a 400-500 watts just to cover you up as well for future upgrades.
May 15, 2007 6:55:03 PM

I have decieded that i will build a larger system and use my laptop for lan parties. I needed a really light case for lan gaming (hence the 53mm) and even a cube is just too large.

I have decieded to build a tower pc instead for use at home. Here is what i was thinking

EZ Cool Alpine G5 Silver Blue Aluminium Case With Blue LEDs

Coolermaster eXtreme Power 650W PSU

Abit AW9D SKT 775 7.1 Channel Audio PCI-E (supports both sli and crossfire)

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.86ghz (will OC to 3.0ghz)

Seagate ST3500630AS 500GB Hard Drive SATAII 16MB Cache 7200RPM

Kingston 2GB KIT (2X1GB) DDR2 667MHz/PC2-5300 CL5 Non Ecc 1.8V

NEC Optiarc AD-7170S-0S DVD/RW silver

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic x64Bit OEM 1pk DVD

Leaving only the graphics card. Not sure what to buy as graphics buget is only £125 at a push so i cant afford an 8800gts 320mb.

What does everyone think??
May 15, 2007 7:24:20 PM

The first problem with that build is the PSU, the eXtreme Power line is mediocre at best.


The Corsair 520HX and 620HX cost about the same as the Coolermaster unit, and are of much bettery quality.

The best gfx card in the £125 range, unless you find an 8800gts on sale, is the 1950xt.
May 15, 2007 8:31:04 PM

Ok so say i went with the Corsair HX Series 520W Modular PSU.

Would the performance of the Evga 7900gs ko be anywhere a x1950xt becuase i cant find an x1950 for less that £145.

Alternatively theres the Inno 3d :(  7950gt. For £115

Apart from that is it all ok (mobo) ?

Thanks so much

patrick
May 15, 2007 8:56:32 PM

I have decieded to go with the xfx 7900gs extreme.
Becuase... well look at the overclock nv news got out of it

"The core was increased from 480MHz all the way to 658MHz (that is 208MHz over stock or a little over 46% higher) and the memory was increased to a very healthy 1648MHz DDR (that is 328MHz DDR or about 25% quicker than default). We continued to run our whole benchmark line up on the card due to these results and our overall opinion was changed in a heart beat."

And for £89!!!

So my final build

EZ Cool Alpine G5 Silver Blue Aluminium Case With Blue LEDs

Abit AW9D SKT 775 (sli and crossfire)

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.86ghz (will oc to 3.0 ghz

Seagate 500GB Hard Drive 16MB Cache 7200RPM

Kingston 2GB KIT (2X1GB) DDR2 667MHz/PC2-5300 CL5 Non Ecc 1.8V

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic x64Bit

NEC Optiarc AD-7170S-0S 18x DVD±RW

Corsair HX Series 520W Modular PSU -

XFX 7900GS 256MB (oc ^^^^) :D 

Totals out at £594 inc shipping and vat

Thanks for all the help.

Any thoughts welcome

Regards

Patrick
May 15, 2007 9:26:14 PM

Quote:
I have decieded that i will build a larger system and use my laptop for lan parties. I needed a really light case for lan gaming (hence the 53mm) and even a cube is just too large.

I have decieded to build a tower pc instead for use at home. Here is what i was thinking

EZ Cool Alpine G5 Silver Blue Aluminium Case With Blue LEDs

Coolermaster eXtreme Power 650W PSU

Abit AW9D SKT 775 7.1 Channel Audio PCI-E (supports both sli and crossfire)

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.86ghz (will OC to 3.0ghz)

Seagate ST3500630AS 500GB Hard Drive SATAII 16MB Cache 7200RPM

Kingston 2GB KIT (2X1GB) DDR2 667MHz/PC2-5300 CL5 Non Ecc 1.8V

NEC Optiarc AD-7170S-0S DVD/RW silver

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic x64Bit OEM 1pk DVD

Leaving only the graphics card. Not sure what to buy as graphics buget is only £125 at a push so i cant afford an 8800gts 320mb.

What does everyone think??


not a very good PSU dude.

check out the PSU 101 and 102 and recommendations.

Whats better, PM mPilchfamily for a good idea. I only know whats good on this side of the atlantic. But I do know that Coolermaster doesnt make very many good psus.
May 16, 2007 5:34:42 AM

Yeah i changed it to a corsair hx 520 watt ^^^^. Thanks anyway

patrick
May 16, 2007 6:12:55 AM

Quote:
Yeah i changed it to a corsair hx 520 watt ^^^^. Thanks anyway

patrick


good choice
May 16, 2007 6:44:26 AM

Ive also changed the case becuase it wouldnt work colour wise wear its going. so


Extra Value Black Opera Micro ATX Desktop Case 500W PSU (20+4 pin)(£40 - will use corsair power supply!)

Extra Value 8cm Internal Case Cooling Fan 4 Pin (157 5* reviews on ebuyer)

Thanks

patrick
May 16, 2007 7:48:44 AM

What is the price on that fan? Should go for $4 or so. However it works in Quid
May 16, 2007 8:52:24 AM

Well they are going for £0.50 each i know its dirt cheap but it has so many amazing reviews.
May 16, 2007 9:00:44 AM

oh, I get it. 157 reviews with a 5* rating, somehow I was looking at that and asking what price. £.50 is a great price for a good fan.
May 16, 2007 6:33:14 PM

What do you think of the rest of the build. Might need some advice on ocing cpu and ram havent done that before. Will my mobo oc well?

The build is ^^^^^

thanks

patrick
!