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May 14, 2007 7:16:02 PM

hey all i currently have a pre-built sony vaio (I KNOW I KNOW, didnt think it would give me this much trouble) and i wanted to upgrade a few things, such as RAM, vid card (PSU also), and sound card.

Ive been told that it is possible that my cpu will bottleneck a gts-320, but i should get it nevertheless, because it would increase my minimun FPS and would let me turn un AA and stuff like that.

My 1st question is:

- do you think my CPU is enough for this card?

2nd:
- considering i have a pre built, would it be possible to upgrade my CPU to a C2D? i know its unlikely but im lookin for opinions..




edit: Pentium D is 2.8 ghz, and i would be gettin 2 gigs of DDR2 RAM 667 mhz

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May 14, 2007 7:21:55 PM

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hey all i currently have a pre-built sony vaio (I KNOW I KNOW, didnt think it would give me this much trouble) and i wanted to upgrade a few things, such as RAM, vid card (PSU also), and sound card.

Ive been told that it is possible that my cpu will bottleneck a gts-320, but i should get it nevertheless, because it would increase my minimun FPS and would let me turn un AA and stuff like that.

My 1st question is:

- do you think my CPU is enough for this card?

2nd:
- considering i have a pre built, would it be possible to upgrade my CPU to a C2D? i know its unlikely but im lookin for opinions..




edit: Pentium D is 2.8 ghz, and i would be gettin 2 gigs of DDR2 RAM 667 mhz

humm... I would say that your processor may bottleneck your videocard. However, I'm not entirely sure on that. Maybe someone wise could answer your first question.

However, I can answer your second question. Unfortunately, the answer is no. Your chipset should be 945, or even the previous versions, which will not support C2D.

I'm sorry bud :( 
May 14, 2007 7:25:52 PM

Maybe sometimes it will do, I don't know how much though, however, you might get a cheap E4300, OC it to 2.4GHz and never ask yourself this question again.
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May 14, 2007 7:27:22 PM

Check out the July Intel pricelist and you'll relegate your Pentium D to the space heating duties it is best equipped for. :lol: 
May 14, 2007 7:29:09 PM

Yeah my chipset is i945P. So no C2D huh?

heh, oh well i kinda saw that coming. I had no idea buying a pre-built would bring me this much trouble, but oh well.

what else can i do? pretty much just upgrade ram, vid card, and PSU.

i have a question about RAM tho. I was hoping i would get these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

will those work with my mobo? i know you'll be more like guessing, but im just looking for more opinions
May 14, 2007 7:30:47 PM

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Maybe sometimes it will do, I don't know how much though, however, you might get a cheap E4300, OC it to 2.4GHz and never ask yourself this question again.


:lol: 
May 14, 2007 7:39:13 PM

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Maybe sometimes it will do, I don't know how much though, however, you might get a cheap E4300, OC it to 2.4GHz and never ask yourself this question again.


:lol: 
I am pretty serious; at 2.4GHz it would still consume less power, run way cooler and perform about 1.8X better than your Pentium D oven. Sincerely, I'd not sleep well knowing that there is a CPU out there, that performs 2X better running at the same frequency as mine. And this is the case with pentiumDs;a 3.2GHz PentiumD performs more or less like a 1.6GHz Core2 :roll:
May 14, 2007 7:44:06 PM

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Check out the July Intel pricelist and you'll relegate your Pentium D to the space heating duties it is best equipped for. :lol: 

But it's practically summer!
May 14, 2007 7:49:14 PM

believe me, i would buy one, specially around $130, which is pretty decent for a C2D.

but i cant since i have a pre-built. :? :? , like i said, i didnt know i would have this much trouble.

My CPU temp at idle is like 55°C... lol. my "oven"

actually if i buy the vid card, and everything else, i thought it would be a good idea to buy one of those zalman fans.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

would this help? how many °C's would it go down?
May 14, 2007 7:59:31 PM

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believe me, i would buy one, specially around $130, which is pretty decent for a C2D.

but i cant since i have a pre-built. :? :? , like i said, i didnt know i would have this much trouble.

My CPU temp at idle is like 55°C... lol. my "oven"

actually if i buy the vid card, and everything else, i thought it would be a good idea to buy one of those zalman fans.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

would this help? how many °C's would it go down?


Make sure you can mount a third party fan on the motherboard. If nothing else, re-seat the HSF and use some better thermal material like AS5 or AS Ceramique after a thorough cleaning. That alone would probably drop temps. I'd have to know the layout of your internals to get a better idea. Links to product specs?

Yes, the Pentium D would bottleneck the video card, but the power of the video card would probably be so much of a jump over what you have now you wouldn't notice. I'm not saying it's a bad idea at all, you would notice significant improvement. It wouldn't be a bleeding-edge system, but it will be a dual-core rig with a decent video card and 2GB of RAM. That alone makes it a decent system for most things, even relatively serious gaming (just don't expect to be pulling down the numbers that people are with X6800's and 8800GTX's in SLI).

Some 945-based boards could support C2D, but I doubt yours is one of them, unfortunately. An E4400 would make a nicer, cooler, faster replacement for your Pentium D. You could always buy a new motherboard as well, keep the old Pentium D until you save up for a new processor, and then add that.
May 14, 2007 8:03:06 PM

If you want to upgrade the processor, PSU, Video Card, and memory it appears you only want to leave the Mobo, Case, and HDD.

Sounds as if your best bet is to just try and Sell your system As/Is and use those funds to build a nice system from scratch.
May 14, 2007 8:05:28 PM

Umm dude, if your buying a new Power Supply, Video card, RAM, that is pretty close to a whole new system. It's just a CPU and mobo that you'd need. Sell your current stuff and get a new mobo and cpu as well as the other stuff.
May 14, 2007 8:05:35 PM

You say you have an 945 chipset? Then Core 2 Duo's are still in your future my friend.
May 14, 2007 8:21:45 PM

the thing is i bought this like 4 months ago, i dont know if i can get a good deal selling it. i Will look into it and see what would b the profits.

I would rather not upgrade the processor tho, i just hope the cpu bottleneck isnt too big. im just exploring my options regarding the C2D.

however, ive been told that my current CPU wount bottleneck the card that much. i would be using like 80% of the card and i probably wouldnt even notice it. as ajfink said.

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You say you have an 945 chipset? Then Core 2 Duo's are still in your future my friend.


i do, my chipset is i945, what info do you need to c if C2D are compatible?
May 14, 2007 8:25:11 PM

No, your Mobo would not be compatible.

Depending on what you doing, it likely would not matter that your GPU was throttled. There is a good chance the card is more power than you need.

You may also be able to get by on an 1900pro or 7900GS for only $130 or so. These would liekly be huge upgrades and possible more than you need.
May 14, 2007 8:43:41 PM

ok... im not sure i can find my mobo in that list because as you know, its not sold to the general public. so i dont know which exact model i have, all PCWizard gives me is this.

General Information :
Manufacturer : Intel Corporation (Intel)
Product : PRAGUE
Version : AAD12395-206
Serial Number : BTPR55203382
Support MP : Yes, 1 CPU(s)
Version MPS : 1.4

and couple other things that seem useless.

I'll think about selling it altho i dont know if its gonna be possible.


I mean, i can accept to get 80% of the full potential of a gts-320, because any upgrade from what i have right now is good, but i still want to do a good buy, since i dont want to upgrade in a while.
May 14, 2007 11:39:34 PM

The mobo is most likely not compatible, not due to chipset limitation, but from not being VRM11 compliant.
May 15, 2007 5:25:25 AM

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believe me, i would buy one, specially around $130, which is pretty decent for a C2D.

but i cant since i have a pre-built. :? :? , like i said, i didnt know i would have this much trouble.

My CPU temp at idle is like 55°C... lol. my "oven"

actually if i buy the vid card, and everything else, i thought it would be a good idea to buy one of those zalman fans.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

would this help? how many °C's would it go down?


I know you'll find lots of guys to disagree with me, but 55C at idle is not out of the range for a Pentium D. They and the Prescotts are steel smelters. I doubt you'll get below 50C idle even with the best Zalman air. I'm massively unimpressed with my new AMD dual-core but the sucker does idle at a ridiculous 27C and I've never seen it above 35C!!!
May 15, 2007 5:42:29 AM

hahah nice

if i do buy a zalman, should i replace the stock fan for the zalman i should i place both of em inside?
May 15, 2007 1:52:17 PM

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hahah nice

if i do buy a zalman, should i replace the stock fan for the zalman i should i place both of em inside?


Yeah, maybe alongside a Pratt & Whitney JT15D. :lol: 
May 15, 2007 2:52:25 PM

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I'm massively unimpressed with my new AMD dual-core...


Elaborate please.
May 15, 2007 3:51:29 PM

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General Information :
Manufacturer : Intel Corporation (Intel)
Product : PRAGUE
Version : AAD12395-206
Serial Number : BTPR55203382
Support MP : Yes, 1 CPU(s)
Version MPS : 1.4


"Product : PRAGUE "?
nice to see a product called after my home city :-P or did you buy it there? Off topic anyway, I'm sorry : )
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May 15, 2007 4:06:15 PM

thats pretty hot, i idle at 37-38c and max at 55-58c with d820 to 3.4ghz with a scythe scnj 1000 and as5.
May 15, 2007 4:46:34 PM

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I'm massively unimpressed with my new AMD dual-core...


Elaborate please.

he probably paid $59 for the thing and is complaining anyway
May 15, 2007 10:48:04 PM

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I'm massively unimpressed with my new AMD dual-core...


Elaborate please.

he probably paid $59 for the thing and is complaining anyway

$78 actually. I had to throw together a quick cheap system for a temporary use and I got an X2 3800+, 2x512 DDR2-667 and a Gigabyte GA-M61VME-S2. Came to under $200 including shipping. Can't complain about the price at all. But it is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY slower than my old San Diego 3700+, even when running Photoshop which should be chugging on both cores. Not just a bit slower, but 40-60%. Therefore: Massively Unimpressed.
May 15, 2007 11:24:15 PM

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I'm massively unimpressed with my new AMD dual-core...


Elaborate please.

he probably paid $59 for the thing and is complaining anyway

$78 actually. I had to throw together a quick cheap system for a temporary use and I got an X2 3800+, 2x512 DDR2-667 and a Gigabyte GA-M61VME-S2. Came to under $200 including shipping. Can't complain about the price at all. But it is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY slower than my old San Diego 3700+, even when running Photoshop which should be chugging on both cores. Not just a bit slower, but 40-60%. Therefore: Massively Unimpressed.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is a software issue rather than hardware.
May 15, 2007 11:27:09 PM

I thought so too, but I've gone through the drivers with a fine toothed comb, and the software setup is absolutely identical to the San Diego. XP SP2, completely updated, blah blah blah.
May 16, 2007 12:41:38 AM

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General Information :
Manufacturer : Intel Corporation (Intel)
Product : PRAGUE
Version : AAD12395-206
Serial Number : BTPR55203382
Support MP : Yes, 1 CPU(s)
Version MPS : 1.4


"Product : PRAGUE "?
nice to see a product called after my home city :-P or did you buy it there? Off topic anyway, I'm sorry : )


well thast what it says, should i change it so that its not like your home city?

i dont know why it says that actually.

can i or can i not buy a Zalman? and is it worth it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
May 16, 2007 12:49:36 AM

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I thought so too, but I've gone through the drivers with a fine toothed comb, and the software setup is absolutely identical to the San Diego. XP SP2, completely updated, blah blah blah.


Even so...there's no logical hardware explanation.
May 16, 2007 1:25:54 AM

maybe you dint install the duelcore drivers?
my 3800duel core performs Exellent!
on all my apps including photoshop.
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May 16, 2007 2:26:10 AM

A few things that are sacking performance for you, April:

1. You're using DDR2-667 with that X2. That lops off 5-7% of its potential if it's decent (CL4) or more like 10% if it's crappy (CL5) RAM. DDR2-800 is what it likes.

2. You had 2 GB on the San Diego IIRC. 1 GB with Photoshop and Windows is probably making the unit hit the swap pretty frequently. BIIIIIGGGG slowdown.

3. The X2 3800+ is a 2.0 GHz chip with 2x512 KB L2. The 3700+ is a 2.2 GHz chip with 1 MB L2. For single-threaded apps, the 3700+ will be roughly 15% faster.

Put all of that together and that explains the slowdown.
May 16, 2007 4:58:52 AM

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A few things that are sacking performance for you, April:

1. You're using DDR2-667 with that X2. That lops off 5-7% of its potential if it's decent (CL4) or more like 10% if it's crappy (CL5) RAM. DDR2-800 is what it likes.

2. You had 2 GB on the San Diego IIRC. 1 GB with Photoshop and Windows is probably making the unit hit the swap pretty frequently. BIIIIIGGGG slowdown.

3. The X2 3800+ is a 2.0 GHz chip with 2x512 KB L2. The 3700+ is a 2.2 GHz chip with 1 MB L2. For single-threaded apps, the 3700+ will be roughly 15% faster.

Put all of that together and that explains the slowdown.


Completely correct on everything except 2. I had 2x512MB on the SD too. My head-scratcher is just how much slower everything is. The only other thing I can possibly think of hardware-wise is that even though I'm using an ATA100 HD like in the SD, it's a different drive, it makes a helluva racket and maybe it's the molasses in the mix. As for the dualcore drivers, am I correct in assuming that if I have XP SP2 completely updated they're already in there?
May 16, 2007 5:21:50 AM

ah, I don't believe that's the case, at least not for the AMD dual core optimizer. That is, I believe, something you would have to download off AMD's site.
May 16, 2007 6:32:09 AM

i can run everything at a fast speed and i have 1gb ddr2 533
only other difference i can think of is that im running windows xpx64
also im using a sata3.0gb/s hd
May 16, 2007 7:22:19 AM

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General Information :
Manufacturer : Intel Corporation (Intel)
Product : PRAGUE
Version : AAD12395-206
Serial Number : BTPR55203382
Support MP : Yes, 1 CPU(s)
Version MPS : 1.4


"Product : PRAGUE "?
nice to see a product called after my home city :-P or did you buy it there? Off topic anyway, I'm sorry : )


well thast what it says, should i change it so that its not like your home city?

i dont know why it says that actually.

can i or can i not buy a Zalman? and is it worth it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

No, it doesn't matter, I was just wondering

Anyway, if I were you, I would buy some cheap but good (zalman not necesarilly) cooler and try to OC the CPU as far as possible. However, I wouldn't ever buy some prebuilt system like yours :-/
May 16, 2007 12:20:55 PM

I'm assuming the OS was a clean install?
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