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April 19, 2008 3:23:10 PM

hello,

I have new PC, C2D E8400, 2GB DDR2, dual channel, GF 8800GT 512.

Running on Win XP Home, SP2.

but, even with this "fast" hardware, I experience the following problem:

everytime I log in to my WIN account, all processes are loaded, my antivirus (KAV), firewall (ZoneAlarm), my sound control (Creative). but then, I want to run win explorer by using the key shortuct: windows+E.

and after pressing this, the windows bar (the blue one in the bottom) just freezes up. and it takes, around 30secs until it starts to work again and until the explorer shows up.

in the same time, I can open anything from desktop, even My Computer.
but the bar is still freezed.

it happens sometimes also during normal office work, hours after logging in...

it is very annoying. I thought I would have such a problem with the 3.0 Ghz CPU...
can you give me some hints how to solve this?
I have the latest VGA driver. my CPU is not overclocked...

April 19, 2008 4:21:24 PM

Pause your Kaspersky antivirus program and then try explorer. Don't surf the net with the antivirus paused. I think you might find the problem is with the settings in Kaspersky.
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April 19, 2008 4:51:56 PM

Sometimes there is still items loading that may cause this on startup, but it should not happen any time after that.
Some times defragging can help as the files can be loaded faster.

I am not sure what creative card you have, but with the Audigy cards the creative drivers did not like multi core. Does the creative mixer take long to open and close(it hangs for a bit after you close it?). if it does disable it for now and see if its any better. if it is, post and i will tell you how to fix it....
April 19, 2008 5:03:23 PM

Shadow703793 said:
Try FireFox.

Actually, FF is slower at startup (uses more memory). I still use it because of its functionality, but it's not the problem in this case. OP, seems like either
-your hard drive can't keep up with the request somehow
-check the running processes, one might be stealing clock cycles from IE.
April 19, 2008 5:17:43 PM

nukemaster said:
Sometimes there is still items loading that may cause this on startup, but it should not happen any time after that.
Some times defragging can help as the files can be loaded faster.

I am not sure what creative card you have, but with the Audigy cards the creative drivers did not like multi core. Does the creative mixer take long to open and close(it hangs for a bit after you close it?). if it does disable it for now and see if its any better. if it is, post and i will tell you how to fix it....


I have Audigy 2 ZS...

I disabled all Creative StartUp services in a msconfig, and rebooted - it was the same as before.
then, I turned the KAV startup initialization off, rebooted and it was much more quicker reboot and also the explorer came up almost right after the key input.
then, I turned the KAV startup init. back to ON, reboot, and again received a nice, quick reboot, and open 4 explores with no problem...


so, it could be Creative related. let's try to solve that.

...to firefox...> i think win explorer is something different from IE 7 or FireFox or Opera...

and, btw, what is the difference between My Computer and Explorer ? one can be run while the another does not.

and, may be this problem somehow a hardware related?
April 19, 2008 5:31:48 PM

Sometimes, problems with Windows Explorer can relate to some only indirectly-related things.

When you open Windows Explorer, what folder opens up and in what view? If it's My Documents, and you have some pictures, movies, or other large files in there and you're in thumbnail or icon view, Windows Explorer attempts to open each file to generate the thumbnail. This in turn causes anti-virus programs to scan the files for viruses before it lets Explorer open the file. If the files/pictures/movies are really large, you're waiting on the anti-virus program to scan all of them before the Explorer window will open.

This could also be a reason why opening My Computer works fine -- since there are no files visible (only drives), there might not be any wait.

A second possible culprit is CD/DVD drives with a hard-to-read CD-ROM or DVD-ROM in them. Windows Explorer will wait until it has a "media mount" notification from the CD/DVD drive before it will draw the window. If the CD/DVD drive is taking a long time to recognize the media, this will hang up Explorer.

Another possible culprit is toolbars. Any toolbars that get installed for additional functionality in Windows Explorer have to initialize when they start up. Some toolbars take longer than others to initialize (like Adobe's PDF creation toolbar), and some are dependent on other things, like Internet access.

A final possibility is network drives. If you've previously mapped a network drive to a drive letter in Windows Explorer, and the network drive is no longer available on the network, Windows Explorer likes to hang up while it looks for it.

There is no real difference between Windows Explorer and My Computer. My Computer is just Windows Explorer in icon view with the folders pane hidden. If you click on the "Folders" button in the toolbar while My Computer is open, the window will then look just like the default Explorer view.
April 19, 2008 8:05:05 PM

Ok for the creative thing. and i can confirm i have seen it cause some problems in the past.

Before you do this make sure you are running the latest drivers from creative. the ones on the CD have a few issues. so update your drivers. Its a shame creative never fixed the mixer other apps.

Before you begin you will need an app called imagecfg(I used a different one, but just tested this one and it works fine). Extract imagecfg.exe to your c:
http://www.reality-xp.com/support/knowledgebase/1006.ht...

-CTRL + ALT + DEL and make sure CTSysVol.exe is not running, if it is, end it
-Navigate to C:\Program Files\Creative\SBAudigy2ZS\Surround Mixer\
-Take a copy of CTSysVol.exe to your main c:
-Rename the original CTSysVol.exe to CTSysVol.BAK(just in case you break it any time in the future)
-Click start then run
-In the run window type "cmd" and hit enter
-You should have a command prompt window up now.
-Type "cd\" to get to your root of c:
-Type " imagecfg -a 0x1 CTSysVol.exe"
-Close the dos window and copy the "New" CTSysVol.exe back to C:\Program Files\Creative\SBAudigy2ZS\Surround Mixer\
-msconfig it back and try. At the very least the mixer will open and close faster.

This fix tells the mixer to only use one cpu since it does not work well with multi cpu systems. try to launch all the creative apps(THX,Speaker config ect) that you can from the mixer, since this will make them run on one core as well.
April 24, 2008 7:45:08 PM

hi,

I did that "magic" with the Creative mixer but my problem still remains.
I am really confused because this is completely new PC and on my old one, I didnt have such a problem and it was "only" Athlon 64 3000+ with 1GB RAM.

so, now I think that this can be hardware related. but I dont know how... because everything works fine - no lags in games, no problem to open and run programs...

only Win Explorer is making me angry. once again exactly my problem:

right after logging in to Win XP Home, I want to open Win. explorer by WINDOWS+E shortcut and then, my Start bar freezes up and I wait for the Explorer window about 30 seconds... during this time period, I can open anything from my desktop, My computer too.

this same thing happens sometimes also during a normal work. e.g. just few minutes ago, I was browsing the net and wanted something from Explorer, so I pressed WIN+E and the bar freezed and no window appeared...

please, give me another hint... could be this because faulty MoBo or RAm or CPU or VGA??

have the newest BIOS, VGA drivers, also the newest ASUS DVD-RW firmware.

CPU: Intel E8400
2GB RAM, Kingston 800MHZ, Dual channel
MoBo Gigabyte P35-DS3R, rev 2.1
2x SATA HDD, Seagate 250GB - one is for system and one for data, not in RAID.
VGA: Gigabyte GF 8800GT
and Creative SB Audigy 2 ZS.

want to remark, that it happens when ALL processes are loaded, so there is no CPU or RAM usage.

thank you
April 25, 2008 4:05:03 PM

Sounds like a stretch... but try removing the Audigy and see what happens. I know that you don't have a VIA chipset motherboard; but there have been a lot of issues with Creative cards and VIA chipsets. Since this is a new Intel chipset... who knows... Creative might be having issues with it as well.

If you can open My Computer with no issues... then I really don't have an answer for you. The only other thing I can think of is to make sure you have the latest chipset drivers installed.
April 25, 2008 6:51:58 PM

Before you do that, make sure that CTsysvol did infact get its affinity changed.

-CTRL + ALT + DEL
-Right click CTsysvol and select "Set Affinity"
-Make sure only on cpu has a check, if its both the patching did not work


If thats good one last thing to try. Running out of idea's Your system should eat windows for breakfast
-Open My Computer
-Select Tools => Folder Options
-Select the View tab
-Add a check to "Launch folder windows in a separate process"

All this does is make your explorer windows run as a separate process, normally they are run as the same process as the taskbar. A Side effect of this is if you crash an explorer window it will not take out the task bar with it(thats a good thing for most)...

April 27, 2008 5:10:07 PM

thank you guys for your answers,

I set "Launch folder windows in a separate process" - so I will see what happens. I will definitely let you know.

and I will remove Creative and try use the Realtek on board. but the strange thing is, while I wait for Windows Explorer , in the Task manager there is steady CPU and RAM usage. 0%-4% of CPU... it looks like there is no request on CPU to do anything, like to open W.E.

one next thing. I have two partitions on the system HDD, one is where WinXP is installed and the other is free for backups. could be this a problem? I am thinking about anything which is different than on my old PC...

thanks
April 27, 2008 9:26:36 PM

The 0-4percent usage is only cpu related, if your hard drive is in use(check the HDD led and see if its blinking allot.) you may get some delays. Some users have reported that disabling and re-enabling there page file(with a reboot on each action, sometimes it may be fragmented. so remaking it should try to make it in a free space.) have given better performance.

I have my drive partitioned for my windows media center recordings and other temp work. so that should not cause any problems for you.

Keep us posted.
April 29, 2008 8:18:04 PM

-HDD LED indicator is completely calm, not blinking, dark, no activity.

-I have turned the page file off, so the system should use only the physical RAM memory (if I am not mistaken) and it should not create the pagfile.sys on the system HDD.

but it does. even it is switched off, I have the pagefile.sys there, has size of 2GB... why? should I delete it manualy or my logic is bad?

-I repositioned the RAM modules, so now I have them in DDR1 and DDR2 slots - so no Dual Channel, and DDR1 slot is in use for the first time. (the original config was DDR2 and DDR4, in each 1GB module), maybe I should try DDR1 and DDR3 config...

-memtest86, being ran from boot disk, didnt give me any errors

and the problem remains... :( 

just few minutes ago, I turned on the PC, logged in, waited till KAV had updated itself, and then pressed Windows+E. it took around one minute to open it!! and all clicks made on the task bar during this "lag" were also performed after this time...

and again, no problem with opening anything from the desktop, My computer, Word, Task manager (CTRL+ALT+DEL)... very strange

so now, I think it should be either hardware related or the Windows installation is wrong (have the original WinXP Home CD with SP2, year 2002, Czech version).

so what should I try next? what hardware component can cause this kind of a problem?

so far, the only solution is to restart the explorer.exe process via Task Manager...

who to contact for more help? does Microsoft have any e-mail or web form where to write?
April 30, 2008 6:55:43 PM

I do not think that the pagefile.sys(i did not check) goes away when you turn it off. Its not supposed to use it. From my tests it did not even though the task manager shows it.

I would have to say try one last time with the AV off(or at least its real time scan engine.).

You have a very unique problem. A reinstall may be the only thing you did not try.
April 30, 2008 7:13:41 PM

you are right about the reinstall... I will do it in a close future, will install only Win XP and drivers for HW, no AV or ZA, and we´ll see...

do you think that I may have something wrong with HW?

will try to start PC without AV and ZA and LAN running...

and have next point: this problem does not appear after reboot. only when turning on the PC. (this is so far my observation)

I tried hints form this page: http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2007/08/15/solution...

but with no success :( 
May 1, 2008 12:34:09 AM

I can not think of any hardware problem causing that. Saying it happens on the first start and not restarts almost sounds like a virus scanner's first check for updates of the day.

If you do reinstall. Keep your patched creative mixer. Trust me that can cause some delays in folders with lots of pictures for some reason.

I can not comment on ZA because i have not used it in many years(think windows 98.)
May 1, 2008 9:26:12 AM

I think it is not caused by AV, because I wait till he finishes all updates. and then I press Win+E... I wait till all processes are loaded - simply, the system is ready.

but I am trying now another thing. I disconnected LAN (my internet, local network) and shut down the PC. then started with LAN off, and explorer loaded flawlessly. then I turned LAN on, by clicking on the icon and "Allow", and right after that, I pushed Win+E. and the problem appeared. so, i think it is something with my LAN controller - Realtek on board, with the latest driver (checked also on Realtek web page).. now I am running on PCI LAN card, also Realtek but very old one, manufactured by OvisLink (LFE-8139ATX), and will post you the results...

PS: what Firewall do you use?
May 1, 2008 8:33:28 PM

does the OvisLink card work work without this issue(i have one from them kicking around too and its realtek as well)?

Maybe check windows update for a driver for your other card.

My onboard is a realtek 8168 Gigabit card with driver 5.674.807.2007.

As for firewall, since its only me running the machine i only have the windows firewall and the one(or 2 if you want to be technical) in my router. Its never been a problem so far. For my laptop(since it goes all over the place) i am running Trend Micro Internet security(its pretty much everything rolled into one).
May 2, 2008 10:41:05 PM

it seems it is the same with that another LAn card...
but I think, it is definitely something with LAN. I have "variable" or "not static" IP address in my local net, so maybe the LAN card everytime I turn the PC on asks for a new IP. I will turn it to static IP and will see what happens.

and if this would not work, I will reinstall Win, hopefully in May or June. I will instal only WinXP and VGA driver. then I will see if there would be this issue.

on board LAN is: Realtek 8111/8169 LAN with driver: 5.686.0103.2008
May 2, 2008 10:52:11 PM

My computers all have dynamic ip's assigned by the router. that should not effect anything, but you never know this is a strange problem.
January 29, 2009 7:50:09 PM

Long delay for My computer to show up

I had that experience before...

I removed my floppy drive from my computer ( I no longer need that old tech, It looks better on my desk as a luxury old peace of sth belongs for decades ago) :hello: 

But I forgot removing it from my Vista. Then I pressed Windows + Break and went to Device Manager then under Floppy Disk Drives I disabled my FDD drive and now explorer shows up exactly when I press Windows + E shortcut (My Computer). :) 

January 30, 2009 6:17:16 PM

thanks

I am going to try it.

January 31, 2009 12:54:20 AM

You may as well go disable the floppy in the bios too.

I tried but did not see much difference. It loads in maybe half a second(if that) with and without it is instant. A small price to play to be able use my floppy that i just realized was unplugged :p 
January 31, 2009 10:58:24 AM

thnx. but i am still having the problem with WIN loading. it takes 3 minutes to completely load from Log in page to ready-to-use status. (all taskbar icons loaded, antivirus...) 3 minutes. terrible. could be this caused by the size of Docs and Settings folders? something around 2 GB...
January 31, 2009 12:11:41 PM

You know. Nuclear Master said that he even disabled the floppy from Bios settings, but the point is even you disable it form Bios or cut the cord => Windows always does his/her best and check for floppy. Then if you want any changes on windows environment it is better to disable the floppy drive from Device management.

But I cannot say anything about Windows boot process delayes because I use NOT to boot my PC for months.(My last record was 4 month and half) :) 
I found this way very nice and useful, I do my downloads during the night(ADSL bandwidth is ideal during the night), I scheduled my anti virus for deep scan during the night and windows defrag for all drives and even my whole hard disk image backup. The only problem(maybe) you would experience in this situation is the noise that pc creates and ruin your sleep during the night. But I get use to it for 12 years deeply indebted to mine 5 noiseless nice system fans. :sleep: 

Meanwhile I found a new problem with my boot process during this year. sometimes it went well but I don't know exactly which setting makes it better or worth.
The problem is that during the boot for windows or even safe mode I saw the boot log appears very slow. The words in DOS environment before entering the windows, appear word by word and line by line. I Google this problem but I found nothing special related to slaw boot log process for vista. If you know something about this please let me know.

Glad to hear you guys ...
Thank you. :hello: 
February 1, 2009 12:22:55 PM

I disabled the floppy in both BIOS and WIN and boot precess still takes about 3 minutes (after 3 minutes all taskbar icons are up and ready...)

I have done some registry optimalizations few months ago, hoping it would help, but it is still the same.

how could I exclude the possibility that this could be casued by any HW failure? can you give me some hints on good HW analyzers? or something?

could it be that WIN XP is not "friendly" with C2D CPU?

it is interesting that during the boot proecess, I have a very low CPU and RAM load. around 20% of CPU... so there is a huge reserve of CPU resources during booting. and also, during the problem with slow explorer, or freezed, CPU load is on 0% to 10%. like CPU has nothing to do...

very strange, since this has never happend on my old PC... (AMD A64300+)



February 1, 2009 10:23:25 PM

Windows XP does not have any problems with dual cores of any kind. Do you have VMware installed by any chance?

I know VMware can cause a longer time before everything loads(one of the services it installs does that). I do not think it was 3 min, but there was a delay before some icons and apps would appear/work.

Maybe check your services and see if something is running that takes long. Also check msconfig to see if there is anything strange running there.
February 2, 2009 8:51:15 AM

I dont have VMware installed and never had.

I have checked running services many times - it seems all running services are OK (some svchosts, antivirus, soundcard and others), only those which I use are running. but, maybe, the Kaspersky Internet security is slowing down the boot process, because KIS is the last taskbar icon which appears and then I can start working. but even if KIS is the casue, simply, my 3Ghz CPU should have been able to handle it, shouldnt it?
February 2, 2009 10:44:26 AM

Dear Rain Maker...

As I know (by experience and hear from friends, Not read it somewhere) if you have AMD processor it is very friendly with windows system but Intel.

e.g: When you press start button and you have AMD cpu, it appears exactly when you click. But with Intel cpu it takes 6 hours (kidding) to go to \all-programs\accessories from start menu and select calculator to use. I have this experience with my both desktop PCs exactly same but with just difference in AMD dual core and Intel Core2Due cpu.

But I should say that my 4300 Core2Duo with 1.8Mhz speed works like a charm during the games.(but AMD sucks sometimes , not every time). :heink: 

But and the BIG BUT as a second point issssssssssssssss: When your computer boots up or do any special process, the performance is not only depended on CPU and Ram modules. There are a lot of hardware modules and softwares cause low speed but the 3rd and most important member of speed chain is HDD(your hard drive)

If 3 man want to run together the other two fast runners must lower their speed to wait for the 3rd slowest. This is the key :bounce:  :bounce:  :sleep: 

It is not important that your CPU has 1milion Mhz of speed or your rams are 500Gb DDR7 => The key is that your HDD should be fast enough to feed them with data.

If you are really suffering with this issue my advice is:
0. Benchmark your HDD read and write speed with HD Tune Pro ( free trial download-able) and compare it with best hard drive speeds on Toms charts.

1. Borrow the faster HDD ( you can use Toms hardware HDD charts to find good ones-Best source). Clone your data on it(if you don't want to install new Windows) or Insatall the fresh XP ( that is better). And then compare the new boot time.

2.Use Raid-1 technology to mix two high speed HDDs to have the higher speed.(It really have a good effect on READ performance) But you should spend some money to buy 2 or more identical hard drives and even a raid controller if your motherboard is not supports Raid-0 and Raid-1 ( most of new MBs support these two simple Raid levels)

3.Power Suit 2009 really does his best and really effects boot and computer speed. But remember nor PS2009 nor other software can do magic. (Suitable hardware is in the 1st level of importance. But bad software could ruin every hardware even the Yahoo's servers).

This is just a suggestion, but the wise one. Please don't kill me if you would not reach the 1 millisecond boot time record. :non: 
Have a good Raid-ing experience.
Good Luck. :hello: 
February 2, 2009 3:13:11 PM

hi,

thank you for your suggestin, I do appreciate it.
I will benchmark my HDDs and we may then discuss the results ;) 

just for info, I have two SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.10 250GB, SATA II NCQ 16MB cache, 7200rpm, PMR, ST3250410AS, HDDs,
at this time, not connected in RAID. but my MB, GA-P35-DS3R, does support RAID. so I will check it in the manual.

thx
February 2, 2009 4:28:29 PM

Your board has raid from Intel and Jmicron. i would use the Intel one if you do try that.
February 3, 2009 5:12:44 PM

hi

this is the benchmark of my system HDD:

HD Tune: ST3250410AS Benchmark

Transfer Rate Minimum : 30.8 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Maximum : 90.1 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Average : 77.5 MB/sec
Access Time : 16.0 ms
Burst Rate : 112.1 MB/sec
CPU Usage : 2.0%

what does this imply?
February 4, 2009 6:10:18 PM

rainmaker said:
hi

this is the benchmark of my system HDD:

HD Tune: ST3250410AS Benchmark

Transfer Rate Minimum : 30.8 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Maximum : 90.1 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Average : 77.5 MB/sec
Access Time : 16.0 ms
Burst Rate : 112.1 MB/sec
CPU Usage : 2.0%

what does this imply?


Just compare it with my ST3500320AS results. I think your hard disks are not too slow ,but they could be better.

Transfer Rate Minimum : 49.6 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Maximum : 109.8 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Average : 87.0 MB/sec
Access Time : 12.3 ms <= Lower is better
Burst Rate : 158.2 MB/sec


! Meanwhile I never recommend ST3500320AS because it has firmware problem, and Seagate trying to solve it.
If you want to choose one try Toms hardware's HDD 3.5" benchmark charts.(average read)

And Mr. Rain Maker,

Did you test some performance improver software like Uniblues Power Suit?
I think it is going to help, your hard disks are not slow enough to be replaced. But as you said and I remember they are identical and identical hards are the best choices for RAID. if you can try it too.

Have a good weekend ...


February 4, 2009 9:38:18 PM

Your drive seems to be more then fast enough to avoid major windows slowdowns.
February 5, 2009 11:24:07 AM

nukemaster said:
Your drive seems to be more then fast enough to avoid major windows slowdowns.


Hi guys...

Mr. Nuclear Master :
Can I ask about the reference of Your in your sentence? Is it refers to me or our friend RainMaker?

Meanwhile I really like your ID, I wonder if you play Fallout 3 or not? Because there are a lot of Nuclear related things on that game. ( excuse me if this part is not related to topic, You can answer my question in private message using Y! Messenger.)

Thank You ...
February 5, 2009 10:28:22 PM

Both your drives kick the crap out of my servers 120gig drive and it has no slowdowns of this type. neither does any of my machines as long as they do not have VMware installed. With that there is a delay for its services to load(Durring this time some programs such as winamp and firefox will not load until it is done its thing even with no cpu use), but after that all is well.

My server drive. Beat this
WD1200JB 120gig
Min - 25
Max - 50.7
Avg - 43.1
Access time - 13.2
Burst - 69.3
cpu 3.7 %

This problem seems to be extremely unique.

I would have to suggest shutting off non essential services/programs until you find the cause. See if one or more programs cause this.

While the 16ms access times could be called high, its not too bad as long as the drive is defragmented.

Do you know if your drive has AAM turned on. AAM allows the drive to be quieter but makes seek times slower. I had a drive that way once and it was paired with another drive in (r)aid 0. Boy did that do strange things(had sporadic performance).
February 6, 2009 6:58:08 PM

I tried:

HDD sentinel
SpeedUp My PC 3 / Memory Booster 2
Wise registry cleaner
Advanced system optimizer
Startup Faster

Win XP HDD defragmentation

...and the result is still the same - long boot process time.

BUT, thanks to you guys, it seems that my explorer is showing almost right after Wins+E key command. :) )) thanks - I disabled the FDD in BIOS and WIN

so the onle issue I have to solve now is the boot process...

it is a good idea to boot only system processes, only those essential, and then adding those 3rd party one by one... I will try it, hopefuly in near future ;) 

I was thinking about RAID - it would require to backup my data HDD and then to reformate my HDDs.... I cannot afford it at this time, due to my school duties etc. moreover, I read something about RAID on internet, and, as I do recall,

raid0 does not backup data - my two 250gb HDDs would be in one array with capacity od 500gb, but no backup possible

raid1 does the backup but it uses a half of the array's capacity. so my 500gb array would be, in fact, only 250gb.(of real available free space)
please, correct me if I am wrong.

presently, I backup my data HDD on the system HDD, backup partition. and sometimes on the third HDD (in next PC). this would be impossible with raid, wouldnt be?

AAM - I dont know whether its turned on. will check it in BIOS, but as far as I remember, there is no such option....
thanks
February 6, 2009 8:03:55 PM

rainmaker said:
I tried:

HDD sentinel
SpeedUp My PC 3 / Memory Booster 2
Wise registry cleaner
Advanced system optimizer
Startup Faster

Win XP HDD defragmentation

...and the result is still the same - long boot process time.

BUT, thanks to you guys, it seems that my explorer is showing almost right after Wins+E key command. :) )) thanks - I disabled the FDD in BIOS and WIN

so the onle issue I have to solve now is the boot process...

it is a good idea to boot only system processes, only those essential, and then adding those 3rd party one by one... I will try it, hopefuly in near future ;) 

I was thinking about RAID - it would require to backup my data HDD and then to reformate my HDDs.... I cannot afford it at this time, due to my school duties etc. moreover, I read something about RAID on internet, and, as I do recall,

raid0 does not backup data - my two 250gb HDDs would be in one array with capacity od 500gb, but no backup possible

raid1 does the backup but it uses a half of the array's capacity. so my 500gb array would be, in fact, only 250gb.(of real available free space)
please, correct me if I am wrong.

presently, I backup my data HDD on the system HDD, backup partition. and sometimes on the third HDD (in next PC). this would be impossible with raid, wouldnt be?

AAM - I dont know whether its turned on. will check it in BIOS, but as far as I remember, there is no such option....
thanks


Nice try ... :) 

But I came to remind a very important point and the point is RAID-1 and non of other Raid levels are NOT the BACKUP solution :non: 
This is very important to know. Raid doesn't help you in any data lost, virus attack and any other problems that persuade you to make backups.

:(  Raid Mainly is critical for those who can't stop their works even for a millisecond because of hard disk failure like big severs or TV show servers. if one drive fails the other lets the system to continue its work. But for personal users it is NOT make any sense because if one of your hard drives fails you have enough time to use your backups in your other drives taken by any backup software and run your computer again a couple of hours.(nobody forces you to run your vista again in 2 seconds)

:)  Raid in a second place could give you better read of write performance if you are a personal user and wanna ride your games faster on your pc.

Then I say again: if your data is important for you choose a nice backup program (Nero back-it-up, Acronis Drive Image ...) and define a scheduled job to make it every day. Raid-1 blindly copy every word in HDD-1 to HDD-2 and there is no comeback if you make any mistakes.

It is my offer to you friends... Check these two links too... I hope you like it... :bounce: 
http://lifehacker.com/5144248/get-acronis-true-image-10...
http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/ati10pe


Thanks to read ...
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Mehrad :hello: 

February 7, 2009 8:42:03 PM

I am using acronis ture image - have system HDD image on my data HDD as backup.

but, if I make from my two HDD one RAID array, where should I backup my system? to the third HDD, not in RAID or it is possible to the same raid array?....
February 8, 2009 12:23:44 AM

I would do backups on an external drive so that it is OFF any time it is not in use. This keeps it safe from wear and tear and also safe from any virus mishaps that may happen.

All my backups are on a 1000gig external E-sata drive and I use Second Copy 7(not saying you should, i just like it :) ) for my backups as it only copies changed files and if you want it can also keep previous versions of files in a archive.

Also note that some disk image utilities do not restore and backup raid volumes as they need there own special drivers. Software that does its thing from in windows should work, but when you restore you tend not to be in windows.
February 26, 2009 3:50:09 PM

hello guys.

I made the complete reinstal of my system and so far, knock knock knock, I have no problems with explorer launch or boot sequence. it seems it was SW related, maybe my 2GB win profile ;) 

thank you all for your help.
February 26, 2009 8:33:33 PM

Keep an eye on it so if it comes back you may know what did it.
July 2, 2009 4:15:09 PM

I have same problem: explorer takes forever to load up at startup. Also, during this time processor is idling and harddisk is barely active. Another weird thing is that process user names don't load in task manager until this annoying time period is up ( 1-3 minutes). My Documents folder opens instantly while the startup bar on the bottom of the screen is frozen and My Computer does not respond (shows the searching flashlight and idles).

Also, when I try opening Network Connections, explorer really flips out and freezes completely until everything is loaded. Looking at what you guys posted earlier I would guess that SomeJoe7777 was right about the network drive idling while waiting for missing locations and holding the whole system back.

"A final possibility is network drives. If you've previously mapped a network drive to a drive letter in Windows Explorer, and the network drive is no longer available on the network, Windows Explorer likes to hang up while it looks for it. "

I have been switching between my home LAN and my campus LAN so windows might be looking for locations from either of them and ultimately one cannot be found and holding up the whole startup process. I am also using Hamachi and VMware so that might add up.

I'm going to uninstall Hamachi and VMware and get back to you if I manage to get some results.
July 3, 2009 1:53:42 PM

Problem solved:

Windows idles while trying to connect to a network - usually if you have selected to get your IP from server. In my case Windows had saved a list of wireless networks to which I had been connected at some point and at startup it tried to connect to those networks even if my wireless was turned off.

Double click on the wireless network icon in the system tray, click on "Change order of preferred networks" and remove the networks in the Preferred Networks box. I had about 7 networks there...

For wired networks double click on you connection icon in tray and save the data in you support tab ( IP, Gateway and Subnet Mask). Then go back to General tab and click properties. Select TCP/IP and click properties, select Use the following IP address and fill in the fields with the data collected earlier (IP, Subnet Mask and Gateway). Same for DNS server and use the Gateway address for the preferred DNS server. Close everything and reboot. If nothing has changed or your internet connection is not working, simply go back and reselect the Obtain IP adress automatically and Obtain DNS server address automatically.

Good luck.
Anonymous
October 5, 2009 11:12:45 PM

i also encountered this kind of problem.. all i did was uninstall my AV.. then it stopped happening. prior to installing my AV(spysweeper), the problem has not occur for once.
October 8, 2011 6:54:45 PM

I was facing a similar issue of explorer taking a long time to load upon start-up. I noticed something weird though. Among the 2 user accounts that were present on my PC, explorer used to load pretty quickly on one account, while this was not the case with the other account.
Moving the contents of "My Documents" folder to a different location solved this issue. The faster account had a lighter "My Documents" folder, whereas the slower one had around 14 GB of data.
Now, I want to retain the location of files in "My Documents".. Any suggestion on how I can do this without affecting the start-up of my account??
December 7, 2011 5:26:56 PM

SomeJoe7777 said:
Sometimes, problems with Windows Explorer can relate to some only indirectly-related things.

When you open Windows Explorer, what folder opens up and in what view? If it's My Documents, and you have some pictures, movies, or other large files in there and you're in thumbnail or icon view, Windows Explorer attempts to open each file to generate the thumbnail. This in turn causes anti-virus programs to scan the files for viruses before it lets Explorer open the file. If the files/pictures/movies are really large, you're waiting on the anti-virus program to scan all of them before the Explorer window will open.

This could also be a reason why opening My Computer works fine -- since there are no files visible (only drives), there might not be any wait.

A second possible culprit is CD/DVD drives with a hard-to-read CD-ROM or DVD-ROM in them. Windows Explorer will wait until it has a "media mount" notification from the CD/DVD drive before it will draw the window. If the CD/DVD drive is taking a long time to recognize the media, this will hang up Explorer.

Another possible culprit is toolbars. Any toolbars that get installed for additional functionality in Windows Explorer have to initialize when they start up. Some toolbars take longer than others to initialize (like Adobe's PDF creation toolbar), and some are dependent on other things, like Internet access.

A final possibility is network drives. If you've previously mapped a network drive to a drive letter in Windows Explorer, and the network drive is no longer available on the network, Windows Explorer likes to hang up while it looks for it.

There is no real difference between Windows Explorer and My Computer. My Computer is just Windows Explorer in icon view with the folders pane hidden. If you click on the "Folders" button in the toolbar while My Computer is open, the window will then look just like the default Explorer view.


KUDOS TO YOU, SOMEJOE!

My computer (runnins xp s3) has been fine; lately, though, saving "as" or opening windows explorer (much the same process, no?) has taken a full minute - maybe a bit more - just to populate the choices. I do run a LOT of drives, but have always done so without issue. Couldn't figure it out; googled the symptoms. YOURS fixed it!

It was, simply, a forgotten install CD in the drive. My system crashed in the spring, and I'd recently needed my scanner and had to install the driver. Who knows what happened to interrupt the process - maybe the phone rang - but there it was. I pulled it and immediately the problem's been solved. Thank you!
December 7, 2011 7:55:35 PM

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