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New PC Windows Vista 64 w/ Geforce 8800 GTX runs horrid

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May 20, 2007 1:05:26 AM

Greetings gentlemen and thank you for your time. I am in most dire need of support. After much turmoil I finally got my new computer booted. I had a motherboard/PSU conflict and have since finally fixed it by replacing my MSI P965 Platinum with an Nvidia Nforce680i SLI.

My current set up:

Intel E6600 Core 2 Duo at stock 2.4 Ghz 4MB Cache
2 Gigs Patriot DDR2800 PC 6400
Nvidia Nforce 680i SLI Mobo
Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTX
Big Typhoon CPU Fan
Sata 500 Gig Hard drive
1 17 dollar dvd reader :D 
WINDOWS VISTA 64 Bit Home Premium Edition


Now I installed Vista and proceeded to download all the updates. The stock Mobo drivers that came with my Nvidia 680i mobo wouldn't take because they were 32 bit, so I used Windows Update to update the motherboard drivers. I then proceeded to install Nvidia 8800 GTX drivers from the CD that came from PNY. Then I installed the newest 158.18 Drivers for Vista 64 bit Edition from Nvidia's webpage.

I ran company of heroes with all effects maxed out with no AA at 1024x768, expecting amazing results. I got approximately an average of 15 FPS. Thinking this odd I checked steam to see if HL2 and CSS had finished downloading. I tried to play either game but the menu screens would instantly crash once booted and I had to console to exit the game. Then I finally got 3D Mark 06 to work after redownloading it. I got about 3000 marks... and comparable to my old AMD64 3800+ 2x6800GTs SLI, that is just horrid. My heart caves in as 3D Mark compares my score to other systems with the same hardware. I'm about 12,000 points away from what the average user reports for the exact same system specs.

Guys what the hell is going on!
May 20, 2007 1:11:18 AM

Vista ?

Vista 64 Bit ?

You couldn't pay me enough to be guinea pig for M$.
May 20, 2007 1:51:55 AM

Quote:
Greetings gentlemen and thank you for your time. I am in most dire need of support. After much turmoil I finally got my new computer booted. I had a motherboard/PSU conflict and have since finally fixed it by replacing my MSI P965 Platinum with an Nvidia Nforce680i SLI.

My current set up:

Intel E6600 Core 2 Duo at stock 2.4 Ghz 4MB Cache
2 Gigs Patriot DDR2800 PC 6400
Nvidia Nforce 680i SLI Mobo
Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTX
Big Typhoon CPU Fan
Sata 500 Gig Hard drive
1 17 dollar dvd reader :D 
WINDOWS VISTA 64 Bit Home Premium Edition


Now I installed Vista and proceeded to download all the updates. The stock Mobo drivers that came with my Nvidia 680i mobo wouldn't take because they were 32 bit, so I used Windows Update to update the motherboard drivers. I then proceeded to install Nvidia 8800 GTX drivers from the CD that came from PNY. Then I installed the newest 158.18 Drivers for Vista 64 bit Edition from Nvidia's webpage.

I ran company of heroes with all effects maxed out with no AA at 1024x768, expecting amazing results. I got approximately an average of 15 FPS. Thinking this odd I checked steam to see if HL2 and CSS had finished downloading. I tried to play either game but the menu screens would instantly crash once booted and I had to console to exit the game. Then I finally got 3D Mark 06 to work after redownloading it. I got about 3000 marks... and comparable to my old AMD64 3800+ 2x6800GTs SLI, that is just horrid. My heart caves in as 3D Mark compares my score to other systems with the same hardware. I'm about 12,000 points away from what the average user reports for the exact same system specs.

Guys what the hell is going on!


Sounds like user error to me. All the guys over at nvnews are raving about the latest Vista drivers for the 8800GTX and the benchies even show that they are finally on par performance wise with win XP.
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May 20, 2007 1:57:50 AM

What kind of user error? I'm getting no indication that anything is wrong with the system. The vista preformance index clocks everything in the high 5.7s. Anyway its not like I could have half installed a 3D card, it obviously works just runs horrid. I haven't even attempted an over clock yet. Everything is stock.
May 20, 2007 2:15:28 AM

A System is only as fast as its weakest link. So if i were you, i'd go and systemmatically update ALL drivers. First uninstall any drivers you already have (microsoft and driver authoring mix about as well as oil and water...). Check the "add/remove programs" list and get rid of what drivers you can there. Next, go to Nvidia.com and download chipset drivers for Vista 64 bit. Then go to Nvidia's website and download their vista 64 bit video driver, next go to Realtek and Get their Latest Audio driver. Do this for all hardware. Install drivers in the order of Chipset, Video, Audio then anything else... Then try playing. You should be able to max out company of heroes (beautiful game...) with a 8800gtx.
a b B Homebuilt system
a b Î Nvidia
May 20, 2007 3:15:07 AM

Not a half hour ago I downloaded drivers for the 8800. One was for xp-pro64 and the other was for vista 64bit.

It specifically laid out the way you need to install the vista drivers. It even told you to bookmark the page with the instructions in case you needed them for reference as you were installing the drivers. I think you may have missed something and need to un-install and re-install the right way.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/vista_driver_x64_installat...

158.22 are the latest drivers if I'm not mistaken. check the download site.

Also make sure you didn't mess up the drivers for the board.
May 20, 2007 4:29:57 AM

I did follow the directions. Tomorrow I'll go back through and redo it all.
May 20, 2007 5:23:55 PM

158.18 are the newest drivers. I just reformatted, installed the chipset drivers from nvidia's website, then proceeded to follow the directions (which consisted of telling microsoft's auto driver download service to piss off and just waiting for the machine to reboot). The same problem still exists.
May 20, 2007 6:13:38 PM

... i'm out of ideas... That always worked for me... Maybe sum1 else will be able to give you better advice...
May 20, 2007 6:46:55 PM

I just built a quad core, 4 GB, 8800 sytem with X64 ultamite and it ran without a hitch.

Not using the update drivers is right, use Nvidia's.

I don't see what psu you have listed? Do you have all the extra power cords plugged into the card? The GTX requires 2.

Is it at least a $100 psu?
May 20, 2007 11:39:36 PM

Yeah I have them both plugged in.

Using an Entermax Infiniti 720W.
May 21, 2007 12:11:04 AM

The fact that you let the Windows update find your Motherboard drivers catches my attention, I think it could be using Generic drivers that will be slowing you down.

Go to the Motherboard Manufacturers website and download all the latest drivers for your board and see how that goes.
May 21, 2007 12:32:04 AM

WOOT I fixed it!

When I took my computer to the shop for the original motherboard/power supply conflict I had them put in the new motherboard that was compatable with my Enermax Infiniti 720W power supply (that was the more expensive of the parts). Turns out that p965 from MSI is incompatible with Enermax power supplies. The only way to find that out was to test the board on numerous power supplies, which I didn't have access too, so I had to cave in and let them do it. They told me they could sell me an Nvidia 680i, the board I originally didn't buy because it was a tad pricey. Anyway their price was insane and I could only get the warranty if they did the install. I wasn't 100% convinced that a new motherboard would fix all my problems so I went ahead and paid the fee to have them install the motherboard, so that in the event that it still didn't boot I wouldn't be stuck with it.

Turns out those idiots at the computer store failed to plug in one of the two PCI power connectors that go to the 8800GTX. They even plugged them both into the card but somehow forgot to attach one of them to the PSU, so I didn't find the mistake until taking everything out and redoing it all on the hardware side.

Thanks to everyone's help!

PS: Is it possible to hurt an 8800GTX by running it through graphics tests with only 1 of the two power connectors attached? If so I'm gonna kick their damn door down!
May 21, 2007 1:24:37 AM

Quote:
WOOT I fixed it!

When I took my computer to the shop for the original motherboard/power supply conflict I had them put in the new motherboard that was compatable with my Enermax Infiniti 720W power supply (that was the more expensive of the parts). Turns out that p965 from MSI is incompatible with Enermax power supplies. The only way to find that out was to test the board on numerous power supplies, which I didn't have access too, so I had to cave in and let them do it. They told me they could sell me an Nvidia 680i, the board I originally didn't buy because it was a tad pricey. Anyway their price was insane and I could only get the warranty if they did the install. I wasn't 100% convinced that a new motherboard would fix all my problems so I went ahead and paid the fee to have them install the motherboard, so that in the event that it still didn't boot I wouldn't be stuck with it.

Turns out those idiots at the computer store failed to plug in one of the two PCI power connectors that go to the 8800GTX. They even plugged them both into the card but somehow forgot to attach one of them to the PSU, so I didn't find the mistake until taking everything out and redoing it all on the hardware side.

Thanks to everyone's help!

PS: Is it possible to hurt an 8800GTX by running it through graphics tests with only 1 of the two power connectors attached? If so I'm gonna kick their damn door down!


There is a sucker born every minute. :lol: 
I'll bet you $100 the "pros" at the computer shop left the 2nd power conector unplugged so you (the sucker) would bring it back for repair ( for a small fee).
You've been had mRWaffles, big time! 8O

BTW how much did you pay for the 680i, and what model is it?
May 21, 2007 1:48:27 AM

Quote:

PS: Is it possible to hurt an 8800GTX by running it through graphics tests with only 1 of the two power connectors attached? If so I'm gonna kick their damn door down!


I am very very surprised at this. I say this because in my past experience if you leave one of the 6pin connectors unplugged on the 8800GTX the card itself will make a beep sound that is loud enough to wake up your next door neighbors.
May 21, 2007 2:53:30 AM

no psu is incompatable, what bs.

24/20 pin is about it, enermax will work with all.
May 21, 2007 4:44:44 PM

Buy it for yourself! I'm telling you the Enermax and that motherboard will not work.

Yeah I know I got had, but I didn't have many options.
May 21, 2007 10:13:38 PM

Modern Motherboards and PSUs are standardized; they will all work with each other. You have been taken advantage of due to your lack of knowledge, it isn't that hard to "google" something and learn.
May 21, 2007 10:34:38 PM

Quote:
PS: Is it possible to hurt an 8800GTX by running it through graphics tests with only 1 of the two power connectors attached? If so I'm gonna kick their damn door down!


I did the same thing accidently with my new build using a 680i mobo and 8800 GTX. Got an error message while installing the Vista 64 driver, so I shut down, plugged in the 2nd power cable, booted back up and have been running with no problems ever since.
May 21, 2007 10:49:48 PM

Quote:
Modern Motherboards and PSUs are standardized; they will all work with each other. You have been taken advantage of due to your lack of knowledge, it isn't that hard to "google" something and learn.


Think what you want. I tried every single Enermax drive and it did not work. Swapped out the PSU and it worked fine.
May 21, 2007 11:02:49 PM

Quote:
Modern Motherboards and PSUs are standardized; they will all work with each other. You have been taken advantage of due to your lack of knowledge, it isn't that hard to "google" something and learn.


:roll:

You mean like how DDR2 memory is standerdized? While there may be standards everyone does not follow them completely. There are always minor incompatibilities between items that occur despite the standards that are supposed ot be adhered to.

Kinda like when Core2Duo came out and there were problems between certain Asus MoBo's and OCZ RAM... just because a standard exists does not mean it will be followed to the letter.
May 21, 2007 11:08:27 PM

this might sound stupid, but its worth a look, check the resource monitor of the performance tab of Task Manager. I had terrible performance on vista 64-bit until i discovered all the crap that was deciding to access the harddrive, superfetch going crazy and a few other things loading the CPU, i disabled most of the stuff and it sorted all my issues with terrible 3dmark scores and what not, maybe youve done it already, but just thought id mention it in case
May 22, 2007 3:32:31 AM

Think? More like Know. A 24 pin ATX PSU is made to plug into a 24 pin Motherboard. There isn't much leeway in a PSU, no matter what brand you choose the same standard is used with the plugs. The 3.3v, 5v, 12v,-12v, +5vsb and ground are all on the same pins regardless of wattage or brand.
The reason your new Motherboard is working is because someone who knew what they were doing you put it together for you.
May 22, 2007 3:49:21 AM

With power supplies it is followed to the letter. 8O
You can't place the wires anywhere you feel like on the plug.
There is also the whole safety thing, you know.... like.... electrocution...fire... :roll:
If the PSU did not pass the standards it would not be allowed to be sold.
May 22, 2007 9:08:00 AM

RAM is not standardized when it comes to speed and latancy, just the form factor. They even vary as to the voltages used. PSU use the same voltage on the same sized plug with a common size (ATX) only differences is output and quality, then the little things that matter little like color and modularity.
May 22, 2007 2:49:49 PM

It runs horrid because Vista is horrid. True gamers use XP Pro x64. I would never even dream of gaming on Vista (until Crysis is released).

Benchmarks: Micro$oft Windows Server 2003 x64
Gaming: Micro$oft Windows XP Professional x64
A Reason to Commit Suicide: Micro$oft Windows Vista (x32 or x64)
May 22, 2007 2:57:16 PM

Quote:
It runs horrid because Vista is horrid. True gamers use XP Pro x64. I would never even dream of gaming on Vista (until Crysis is released).

Benchmarks: Micro$oft Windows Server 2003 x64
Gaming: Micro$oft Windows XP Professional x64
A Reason to Commit Suicide: Micro$oft Windows Vista (x32 or x64)


I was thinking of upgrading to Vista 64 but I seriously think I will just hold off until its actually worth it and most of the issues are resolved.
May 22, 2007 3:31:00 PM

Proof,
Read the whole post, the OP has more than just Vista issues. He obviously has no idea what he is doing.
May 22, 2007 3:42:08 PM

LOL. My bad. OP, stop it! Stop being a n00b!
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