Memory problem?

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I have an iPAQ2210 with a 4Mb CF card and a 1Gb SD card.

Various programs installed but I doubt that would make much difference to
overall use of memory. However, when attempting to use my Rail Timetable -
stored on the 1Gb SD card - I get a message offering to convert storage
memory to program memory (or is it the other way round?).

If I OK that dialogue nothing happens and I have to resent, at which stage
it offers to boot in safe mode. Even if I let it do that the program will
not run - seeming to insist that it needs more memory!

Can anyone shed light on the problem and perhaps suggest a solution? For the
moment I've remove the program to avoid problems.


Steve

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OK, I'll check up on that.

In the meantime why is it that the iPAQ cannot convert the storage memory
available - 4 Mb on the CF card alone along with a fair bit spare on the SD
card - into program memory.

The dialogue appears asking me if I'd like to do it but it doesn't seem to
complete the task!


Steve
"Clinton Fitch, Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!"
<management@NOSPAMMINGME.clintonfitch.com> wrote in message
news:%23B83KtBpFHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Steve,
>
> It could be that the Rail Timetable is needing an enormous amount of
> memory to run. Have you checked to see what the requirements are of the
> application to see if that is the case? Even though the application is
> stored on a card, it will require some physical device memory to run. If
> it requires more than you have available, even after conversion, it could
> cause all kinds of, erm, interesting issues. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Clinton Fitch
> Senior Editor / Owner
> Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!
> http://www.clintonfitch.com
>
> A Pocket PC Magazine "Best Site" for Pocket PC Reviews!
> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
> news:Bw3Ne.121$i1.9@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>I have an iPAQ2210 with a 4Mb CF card and a 1Gb SD card.
>>
>> Various programs installed but I doubt that would make much difference to
>> overall use of memory. However, when attempting to use my Rail
>> Timetable - stored on the 1Gb SD card - I get a message offering to
>> convert storage memory to program memory (or is it the other way round?).
>>
>> If I OK that dialogue nothing happens and I have to resent, at which
>> stage it offers to boot in safe mode. Even if I let it do that the
>> program will not run - seeming to insist that it needs more memory!
>>
>> Can anyone shed light on the problem and perhaps suggest a solution? For
>> the moment I've remove the program to avoid problems.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
>

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.pocketpc (More info?)

So are you saying that the iPAQ cannot convert storage from one type to
another - even though it specifically asks me if I would like to?

With 4Mb available on CF and 1Gb available on SD I would have thought the
iPAQ could deal with anything you threw at it. Instead it gives me these
weird error messages.


Steve


"Alan Smith" <alan@hidden.email> wrote in message
newse2ucd$1an$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Your internal memory is split into those types. The change in ratio of
> this affects the internal storage memory only, not any expansion cards.
>
>
> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
> news:tF5Ne.10206$6i5.4010@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>> OK, I'll check up on that.
>>
>> In the meantime why is it that the iPAQ cannot convert the storage memory
>> available - 4 Mb on the CF card alone along with a fair bit spare on the
>> SD card - into program memory.
>>
>> The dialogue appears asking me if I'd like to do it but it doesn't seem
>> to complete the task!
>>
>>
>> Steve
>> "Clinton Fitch, Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!"
>> <management@NOSPAMMINGME.clintonfitch.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23B83KtBpFHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> It could be that the Rail Timetable is needing an enormous amount of
>>> memory to run. Have you checked to see what the requirements are of the
>>> application to see if that is the case? Even though the application is
>>> stored on a card, it will require some physical device memory to run.
>>> If it requires more than you have available, even after conversion, it
>>> could cause all kinds of, erm, interesting issues. :-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Clinton Fitch
>>> Senior Editor / Owner
>>> Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!
>>> http://www.clintonfitch.com
>>>
>>> A Pocket PC Magazine "Best Site" for Pocket PC Reviews!
>>> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Bw3Ne.121$i1.9@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>I have an iPAQ2210 with a 4Mb CF card and a 1Gb SD card.
>>>>
>>>> Various programs installed but I doubt that would make much difference
>>>> to overall use of memory. However, when attempting to use my Rail
>>>> Timetable - stored on the 1Gb SD card - I get a message offering to
>>>> convert storage memory to program memory (or is it the other way
>>>> round?).
>>>>
>>>> If I OK that dialogue nothing happens and I have to resent, at which
>>>> stage it offers to boot in safe mode. Even if I let it do that the
>>>> program will not run - seeming to insist that it needs more memory!
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone shed light on the problem and perhaps suggest a solution?
>>>> For the moment I've remove the program to avoid problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Here is the best solution. I just tried and it works great there is a
program called SKTools. This will allow you to see what processes are
running and you can kill them as well as whats running on startup both by the
folder and by the reg. It gives you a lot of options as to free up memory by
relocating your shared .dll's as well as cleaning and twicking your registry.
It also lets you offload your Internet Explorer Support files to your Cards
as well as your Advanto files to your cards. This has made a huge difference
on my PPC....

William


"David {MVP}" wrote:

> Basically yes, the iPAQ can not convert a CF or SD card to "program" memory,
> any more than your PC can convert it's hard drive into RAM memory. You have
> a limited amount of RAM memory within each Pocket PC, what you can do is
> take that amount of RAM and adjust how the iPAQ uses it between program
> memory or storage memory. Adding a storage card to your iPAQ does not
> increase this RAM memory directly. It may allow you to move some programs
> from the internal RAM (Storage Memory) to the external CF or SD card. Hope
> that helps.
>
> As to your original question, it sounds to me as if you have too many
> programs stored on your 2210. How many today screen programs do you have?
> When you see the screen that allows you to adjust the internal or ram
> memory, you may want to try moving the slider to the maximum amount of
> program memory. But I strongly suspect that what you need to do is uninstall
> some programs from your 2210 internal memory and instead install them to the
> SD card.
>
> --
> David {MVP}
> Microsoft Mobile Devices
> Mobile AntiVirus Researchers Association
>
> Please post *ALL* questions and replies to the news group for the mutual
> benefit of all of us...
> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> The MARA Program - http://www.mobileav.org/index.html
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights...
>
>
> Spelling and grammar errors left in for those that need a little joy in
> their life by correcting me.
>
> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
> news:VhhNe.10149$bf6.4784@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> > So are you saying that the iPAQ cannot convert storage from one type to
> > another - even though it specifically asks me if I would like to?
> >
> > With 4Mb available on CF and 1Gb available on SD I would have thought the
> > iPAQ could deal with anything you threw at it. Instead it gives me these
> > weird error messages.
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > "Alan Smith" <alan@hidden.email> wrote in message
> > newse2ucd$1an$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >> Your internal memory is split into those types. The change in ratio of
> >> this affects the internal storage memory only, not any expansion cards.
> >>
> >>
> >> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
> >> news:tF5Ne.10206$6i5.4010@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> >>> OK, I'll check up on that.
> >>>
> >>> In the meantime why is it that the iPAQ cannot convert the storage
> >>> memory available - 4 Mb on the CF card alone along with a fair bit spare
> >>> on the SD card - into program memory.
> >>>
> >>> The dialogue appears asking me if I'd like to do it but it doesn't seem
> >>> to complete the task!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>> "Clinton Fitch, Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!"
> >>> <management@NOSPAMMINGME.clintonfitch.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:%23B83KtBpFHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >>>> Steve,
> >>>>
> >>>> It could be that the Rail Timetable is needing an enormous amount of
> >>>> memory to run. Have you checked to see what the requirements are of
> >>>> the application to see if that is the case? Even though the
> >>>> application is stored on a card, it will require some physical device
> >>>> memory to run. If it requires more than you have available, even after
> >>>> conversion, it could cause all kinds of, erm, interesting issues. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Clinton Fitch
> >>>> Senior Editor / Owner
> >>>> Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!
> >>>> http://www.clintonfitch.com
> >>>>
> >>>> A Pocket PC Magazine "Best Site" for Pocket PC Reviews!
> >>>> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:Bw3Ne.121$i1.9@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> >>>>>I have an iPAQ2210 with a 4Mb CF card and a 1Gb SD card.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Various programs installed but I doubt that would make much difference
> >>>>> to overall use of memory. However, when attempting to use my Rail
> >>>>> Timetable - stored on the 1Gb SD card - I get a message offering to
> >>>>> convert storage memory to program memory (or is it the other way
> >>>>> round?).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I OK that dialogue nothing happens and I have to resent, at which
> >>>>> stage it offers to boot in safe mode. Even if I let it do that the
> >>>>> program will not run - seeming to insist that it needs more memory!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can anyone shed light on the problem and perhaps suggest a solution?
> >>>>> For the moment I've remove the program to avoid problems.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steve
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Very useful comments David, thank you.

My "Remove Programs" screen does not list many programs:

WebIS Pocket Informant Color Schemes
WebIS Pocket Informant Icon Pack
WebIS Pocket Informant 2005
Adobe Reader for PPC
Spb Pocket Plus
SnoopSoft Dashboard
TomTom GPS
TomTom Navigator
TomTom Navigator Voice
TomTom Wizard

File Explorer tells me that the TomTom maps are installed on the SD card -
using 66.93 Mb of the 964.63 shown as available.

Very little to choose from it seems - any thoughts?


Steve

"David {MVP}" <dhettel@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:uwWv3fKpFHA.3536@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Basically yes, the iPAQ can not convert a CF or SD card to "program"
> memory, any more than your PC can convert it's hard drive into RAM memory.
> You have a limited amount of RAM memory within each Pocket PC, what you
> can do is take that amount of RAM and adjust how the iPAQ uses it between
> program memory or storage memory. Adding a storage card to your iPAQ does
> not increase this RAM memory directly. It may allow you to move some
> programs from the internal RAM (Storage Memory) to the external CF or SD
> card. Hope that helps.
>
> As to your original question, it sounds to me as if you have too many
> programs stored on your 2210. How many today screen programs do you have?
> When you see the screen that allows you to adjust the internal or ram
> memory, you may want to try moving the slider to the maximum amount of
> program memory. But I strongly suspect that what you need to do is
> uninstall some programs from your 2210 internal memory and instead install
> them to the SD card.
>
> --
> David {MVP}
> Microsoft Mobile Devices
> Mobile AntiVirus Researchers Association
>
> Please post *ALL* questions and replies to the news group for the mutual
> benefit of all of us...
> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> The MARA Program - http://www.mobileav.org/index.html
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights...
>
>
> Spelling and grammar errors left in for those that need a little joy in
> their life by correcting me.
>
> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
> news:VhhNe.10149$bf6.4784@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> So are you saying that the iPAQ cannot convert storage from one type to
>> another - even though it specifically asks me if I would like to?
>>
>> With 4Mb available on CF and 1Gb available on SD I would have thought the
>> iPAQ could deal with anything you threw at it. Instead it gives me these
>> weird error messages.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> "Alan Smith" <alan@hidden.email> wrote in message
>> newse2ucd$1an$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> Your internal memory is split into those types. The change in ratio of
>>> this affects the internal storage memory only, not any expansion cards.
>>>
>>>
>>> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tF5Ne.10206$6i5.4010@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>>> OK, I'll check up on that.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime why is it that the iPAQ cannot convert the storage
>>>> memory available - 4 Mb on the CF card alone along with a fair bit
>>>> spare on the SD card - into program memory.
>>>>
>>>> The dialogue appears asking me if I'd like to do it but it doesn't seem
>>>> to complete the task!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> "Clinton Fitch, Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!"
>>>> <management@NOSPAMMINGME.clintonfitch.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23B83KtBpFHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> It could be that the Rail Timetable is needing an enormous amount of
>>>>> memory to run. Have you checked to see what the requirements are of
>>>>> the application to see if that is the case? Even though the
>>>>> application is stored on a card, it will require some physical device
>>>>> memory to run. If it requires more than you have available, even after
>>>>> conversion, it could cause all kinds of, erm, interesting issues. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Clinton Fitch
>>>>> Senior Editor / Owner
>>>>> Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!
>>>>> http://www.clintonfitch.com
>>>>>
>>>>> A Pocket PC Magazine "Best Site" for Pocket PC Reviews!
>>>>> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Bw3Ne.121$i1.9@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>>>I have an iPAQ2210 with a 4Mb CF card and a 1Gb SD card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Various programs installed but I doubt that would make much
>>>>>> difference to overall use of memory. However, when attempting to use
>>>>>> my Rail Timetable - stored on the 1Gb SD card - I get a message
>>>>>> offering to convert storage memory to program memory (or is it the
>>>>>> other way round?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I OK that dialogue nothing happens and I have to resent, at which
>>>>>> stage it offers to boot in safe mode. Even if I let it do that the
>>>>>> program will not run - seeming to insist that it needs more memory!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone shed light on the problem and perhaps suggest a solution?
>>>>>> For the moment I've remove the program to avoid problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.pocketpc (More info?)

You might want to take a look at this;
http://pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic [...] PocketPlus
as a starting point.

--
David {MVP}
Microsoft Mobile Devices
Mobile AntiVirus Researchers Association

Please post *ALL* questions and replies to the news group for the mutual
benefit of all of us...
The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
The MARA Program - http://www.mobileav.org/index.html

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights...


Spelling and grammar errors left in for those that need a little joy in
their life by correcting me.

"PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:ceqNe.4199$Ht5.4001@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> Very useful comments David, thank you.
>
> My "Remove Programs" screen does not list many programs:
>
> WebIS Pocket Informant Color Schemes
> WebIS Pocket Informant Icon Pack
> WebIS Pocket Informant 2005
> Adobe Reader for PPC
> Spb Pocket Plus
> SnoopSoft Dashboard
> TomTom GPS
> TomTom Navigator
> TomTom Navigator Voice
> TomTom Wizard
>
> File Explorer tells me that the TomTom maps are installed on the SD card -
> using 66.93 Mb of the 964.63 shown as available.
>
> Very little to choose from it seems - any thoughts?
>
>
> Steve
>
> "David {MVP}" <dhettel@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:uwWv3fKpFHA.3536@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Basically yes, the iPAQ can not convert a CF or SD card to "program"
>> memory, any more than your PC can convert it's hard drive into RAM
>> memory. You have a limited amount of RAM memory within each Pocket PC,
>> what you can do is take that amount of RAM and adjust how the iPAQ uses
>> it between program memory or storage memory. Adding a storage card to
>> your iPAQ does not increase this RAM memory directly. It may allow you to
>> move some programs from the internal RAM (Storage Memory) to the external
>> CF or SD card. Hope that helps.
>>
>> As to your original question, it sounds to me as if you have too many
>> programs stored on your 2210. How many today screen programs do you have?
>> When you see the screen that allows you to adjust the internal or ram
>> memory, you may want to try moving the slider to the maximum amount of
>> program memory. But I strongly suspect that what you need to do is
>> uninstall some programs from your 2210 internal memory and instead
>> install them to the SD card.
>>
>> --
>> David {MVP}
>> Microsoft Mobile Devices
>> Mobile AntiVirus Researchers Association
>>
>> Please post *ALL* questions and replies to the news group for the mutual
>> benefit of all of us...
>> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> The MARA Program - http://www.mobileav.org/index.html
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights...
>>
>>
>> Spelling and grammar errors left in for those that need a little joy in
>> their life by correcting me.
>>
>> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
>> news:VhhNe.10149$bf6.4784@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>>> So are you saying that the iPAQ cannot convert storage from one type to
>>> another - even though it specifically asks me if I would like to?
>>>
>>> With 4Mb available on CF and 1Gb available on SD I would have thought
>>> the iPAQ could deal with anything you threw at it. Instead it gives me
>>> these weird error messages.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alan Smith" <alan@hidden.email> wrote in message
>>> newse2ucd$1an$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>> Your internal memory is split into those types. The change in ratio of
>>>> this affects the internal storage memory only, not any expansion cards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:tF5Ne.10206$6i5.4010@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>> OK, I'll check up on that.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime why is it that the iPAQ cannot convert the storage
>>>>> memory available - 4 Mb on the CF card alone along with a fair bit
>>>>> spare on the SD card - into program memory.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dialogue appears asking me if I'd like to do it but it doesn't
>>>>> seem to complete the task!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> "Clinton Fitch, Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!"
>>>>> <management@NOSPAMMINGME.clintonfitch.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23B83KtBpFHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could be that the Rail Timetable is needing an enormous amount of
>>>>>> memory to run. Have you checked to see what the requirements are of
>>>>>> the application to see if that is the case? Even though the
>>>>>> application is stored on a card, it will require some physical device
>>>>>> memory to run. If it requires more than you have available, even
>>>>>> after conversion, it could cause all kinds of, erm, interesting
>>>>>> issues. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Clinton Fitch
>>>>>> Senior Editor / Owner
>>>>>> Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!
>>>>>> http://www.clintonfitch.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Pocket PC Magazine "Best Site" for Pocket PC Reviews!
>>>>>> "PlymSteve" <steveplym@tesco.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Bw3Ne.121$i1.9@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>>>>I have an iPAQ2210 with a 4Mb CF card and a 1Gb SD card.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Various programs installed but I doubt that would make much
>>>>>>> difference to overall use of memory. However, when attempting to use
>>>>>>> my Rail Timetable - stored on the 1Gb SD card - I get a message
>>>>>>> offering to convert storage memory to program memory (or is it the
>>>>>>> other way round?).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I OK that dialogue nothing happens and I have to resent, at which
>>>>>>> stage it offers to boot in safe mode. Even if I let it do that the
>>>>>>> program will not run - seeming to insist that it needs more memory!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone shed light on the problem and perhaps suggest a solution?
>>>>>>> For the moment I've remove the program to avoid problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>