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May 22, 2007 9:01:00 AM

Hello. I want to upgrade my system, and started by aquiring an e6600 cpu. Now what I also need is a motherboard and memory.
I want to push the cpu as far as I can on air, and want to know what the best overclocking P35 based board is ? (for ddr2 of course).

Currently my eyes are fixed on the gigabyte ds4 with its very solid looking mosfet cooling, but since I don't know anyone who's had more than one of the boards (one brand/version) I don't know which overclocks the best.
The ds4 won't do anythign without a bios update, but that's pretty much a minor thing.

I'm thinking either to keep my ninja, or invest in an ultra extreme or a tuniq for cooling.


On a side note, can I verify the memory chips on memory modules before buying? I want some high clocking modules, and in particular was hoping to get a 2gb kit of crucial ballistix pc6400 or pc8000 but how can I verify that they use micron D9DQT or D9GMH ? and in general, what's the cheapest memory that'll do 600mhz at cl5?

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May 22, 2007 9:23:21 AM

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Do you mean P965 based motherboard or are you looking for a 650i based board? Because the DS4 uses the 650i from nvidia.

Neither. I'm looking for the best overclocking of the P35 boards - released this and next month.
DS3/DS4/DQ6/DS3P exist both as i965P and i35P while DS3R only exists as i35P ; and I don't know shit about nvidia based cards, but I'd rather have aids than nvidia based motherboards anyway.
May 22, 2007 9:41:06 AM

The DQ6, or wait for X38.
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May 22, 2007 9:52:42 AM

What is X38 ? and when'll it arrive, and why dq6 ? what do I get extra aside from a 25% increase in expenses
May 22, 2007 10:51:15 AM

X38 will replace the 975 enthusiast chipset, the DQ6 is built to be the most stable overclocker.
May 22, 2007 11:02:38 AM

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What is X38 ? and when'll it arrive, and why dq6 ? what do I get extra aside from a 25% increase in expenses


x38 - enthusiast Intel chipset, or the "big brother" or p35, that would replace the existing 975x chip and will fully support CrossFire in 2x16 PCIe mode. This chip will also have a technology called "Auto-tuning" that is some sort of an automatically overclocking ability. x38 would also support both DDR2 (up to 800mhz) and DDR3 (up to 1066mhz), as well as upcoming Penryn intel 45nm processors with FSB1333. To be released on Q3 of 2007.
The anouncement that it will support DDR3 may rather be a marketing trick, since DDR3 may have same latency problems as DDR2 had at launch. So, until these problems will be surely avoided/overcome it would rather be better avoid buying x38DDR3 boards, but maybe ok buying x38DDR2 boards. However, I think I already saw somewhere P35 boards that have 4DDR2 slots AND 2DDR3 slots on the same board. Not sure how x38 boards will be built.

If you're not planing for full CF or DDR3 do you intend to wait?

I was thinking about DQ6, but then it seemed to me there is not THAT much of a difference between DQ6 and DS4. Indeed DQ6 seems to be a good board, but I am building a lesser-budget rig with a E4300 to OC up to 2,8mhz, so do I actualy need a DQ6??? DS4 seems to be quite decent and less expensive, and fit for my purpose - well, just see a review by Legion Hardware on DS4 here Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4
I think I am buying a P35-DS4 and E4300 tomorrow and hope it'll have no problems or immature bios issues.
May 22, 2007 12:01:51 PM

i think the x38s memory controller will be faster clock for clock than the p35, they always place artificial limits inside these things to make sure the enthusiast ones go better
May 22, 2007 12:02:16 PM

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What is X38 ? and when'll it arrive, and why dq6 ? what do I get extra aside from a 25% increase in expenses


x38 - enthusiast Intel chipset, or the "big brother" or p35, that would replace the existing 975x chip and will fully support CrossFire in 2x16 PCIe mode. This chip will also have a technology called "Auto-tuning" that is some sort of an automatically overclocking ability. x38 would also support both DDR2 (up to 800mhz) and DDR3 (up to 1066mhz), as well as upcoming Penryn intel 45nm processors with FSB1333. To be released on Q3 of 2007.
The anouncement that it will support DDR3 may rather be a marketing trick, since DDR3 may have same latency problems as DDR2 had at launch. So, until these problems will be surely avoided/overcome it would rather be better avoid buying x38DDR3 boards, but maybe ok buying x38DDR2 boards. However, I think I already saw somewhere P35 boards that have 4DDR2 slots AND 2DDR3 slots on the same board. Not sure how x38 boards will be built.

If you're not planing for full CF or DDR3 do you intend to wait?

I was thinking about DQ6, but then it seemed to me there is not THAT much of a difference between DQ6 and DS4. Indeed DQ6 seems to be a good board, but I am building a lesser-budget rig with a E4300 to OC up to 2,8mhz, so do I actualy need a DQ6??? DS4 seems to be quite decent and less expensive, and fit for my purpose - well, just see a review by Legion Hardware on DS4 here Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4
I think I am buying a P35-DS4 and E4300 tomorrow and hope it'll have no problems or immature bios issues.

Good luck finding one. 8O
New Chipset = Immature bios so good luck with that also. :wink:
May 22, 2007 12:44:35 PM

Ya the GA-P35C boards have both ddr2 and ddr3

Anyhow, I'm very much not convinced that dq6 is worth anything near the extra it costs. What actually does one get with the ds6 - and are there alternatives to gigabyte? or do the asus options suck as always, and what about abit and the others?

In short, I'm getting no answers here. Okay so x38 is the equivalent of i975p - but that chipset wasn't really any good, and if the x38 is a new version of that, it sure ain't worth waiting for.

In any event, what I want is a p35 board, which one oc's teh best?
May 22, 2007 2:18:15 PM

Look buddy, nobody has one. We are not clairvoyant, so we do not know what board is "the best". We have access to the same Internet as you, which is where all the information is right now. By Gigabyte's model classification with previous Intel chipsets the DQ6 will be the board with more features geared towards the enthusiast. You asked for the best Gigabyte P35 gigabyte board, that is the DQ6. The rest of the motherboard manufactures will also have P35 boards. Fact is: you will not get one until next month, if you do get one now (not likely) you will pay out the nose for it.

And BTW the 975 chipset is an enthusiast’s chipset, meaning you have to know what you are doing to get the most out of it. Same with x38, if you want an extreme OC these are the chipsets to use.

Long rant short.
YOU CAN NOT BUY THESE MOTHERBOARDS YET.
Retard.
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May 22, 2007 2:39:11 PM

asus p5k and ga ds4 can be aquired right now. ds4 for 2 weeks now, and no idea about the asus .. so it's not like they don't exist ....
besides, somebody must've had some of the boards for testing ; that's rather normal in the industry.

Besides, there's no need to be rude even if I were to be wrong, and definetly not before that. So post something constructive or don't post.
May 22, 2007 2:47:35 PM

If you can get a P35 board, get one and test it yourself.
The reviews online from people who got one must be somewhere......................................... think about it.

How many times are you going to ask?
Nobody knows because they are not out yet.
May 22, 2007 5:24:57 PM

If they're not out, how come serveral people I know have one? Thing is, they all have the gigabyte ds4 so I don't know if any of the others are better or worse or teh same. Perhaps no shops in the us have em yet, don't know. But some shops in denmark have em, and I bet all the testers (anandtech, firingsquad, tomshardware etc) have em - someone must have checked some oc limits.

Maybe you don't have the answer, which is fine by me, but someone might have.

As for trying myself - you may not be aware of it, but the two week return policy I am entitled for in denmark don't cover items that have been in use. Thus invalidating that option.
May 23, 2007 6:49:24 AM

they are instock and for sale in Australia, so unless the rest of the world is behind us in terms of technology (which i doubt), i think they'd be available there too, the 975x actually was a very nice chipset especially on boards like the P5W64-WS-PRO which could easily achieve FSB2000. Check out the MSI P35 platinum, it's pretty good from what i've heard, at stock on everything but the cpu it gets to 470+fsb.

PS, if you don't believe me about availability, check out www.staticice.com
May 23, 2007 8:30:56 AM

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If you can get a P35 board, get one and test it yourself.
The reviews online from people who got one must be somewhere......................................... think about it.

How many times are you going to ask?
Nobody knows because they are not out yet.



They are very much out

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=5&sortby=nameAsc&subid=913&mfrid=

Please research before posting and misleading people in the future

to the op from what ive read Here the Gigabyte looks like an ideal Board bear in mind tho that they are not SLI or crossfie compatible if your interested in doing that that will be left to the X38
May 23, 2007 10:33:12 AM

You can not get one here.
May 23, 2007 11:36:17 AM

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You can not get one here.


thats fair enough but the OP is in Denmark and im sure they are on sale there plus i know some uk based firms ship to europe
May 23, 2007 12:14:28 PM

send me the money for one and i'll send you the board, lol, jks, but seriously, how did aus manage to get them in retail outlets before the rest of the world? we've had them here for about 3 weeks...same thing happened with the 8600gts, they were for sale here a good 2 weeks before everywhere else...
May 23, 2007 1:02:11 PM

You really should do some searching they have been available in the US from a few Etailers for about two weeks. I was going to order one but have decided to wait and see.
May 23, 2007 1:05:22 PM

For what its worth, I ordered a DQ6 yesterday....it should be turning up within the next 30 minutes if City Link are following theyre usual schedule :)  I'll pop back sometime and let you know how I get on if you like.
Oh and dont get it from Overclockers....those bastards are crooks and incompetents...I won't bore you with the details why I think that. Get it from Misco....its significantly cheaper too (£145.51 inc VAT and next day delivery compared to about £168 from OverPricers)
May 23, 2007 1:48:55 PM

I've just checked availability on the gigabyte boards in denmark. I've only checked the ten cheapest on each board. komplett.dk has 45 dq6's in stock, and databutikken.com (swedish, with delivery here) has an unknown number of ds4's
ds3p's arrive friday, so nobody's got any of those yet. Doubt anyone wants them when they can get ds4 for the equivalent of 8 euro more though.

Anyhow, I guess I'll just get a ds4 like everybody else. msi getting to 500 fsb isn't that impressive when I've seen ds4 do 575 and some asus thing doing 600 (wouldn't want asus though - don't like em)
May 23, 2007 2:34:44 PM

Yes about 2 weeks ago, ZZF, newegg, and ClubIT had them listed. Then took them off, I don't think the boards are supposed to be sold until next month here in the US. The top PC component etailers (US) do not have them listed.
May 23, 2007 3:07:01 PM

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send me the money for one and i'll send you the board, lol, jks, but seriously, how did aus manage to get them in retail outlets before the rest of the world? we've had them here for about 3 weeks...same thing happened with the 8600gts, they were for sale here a good 2 weeks before everywhere else...


Intel's and nVidia's nukes can't fly that far.
May 23, 2007 3:26:07 PM

A few days ago I went to my local Canada Computer's store to buy a P182 and I saw the Pk5 and Pk53 on sale. The P35 motherboards from Asus have somehow made it out before the release date.
May 23, 2007 4:08:22 PM

http://ramlist.infinityx.nl/ddr2/ List of DDR2 memorys and their memory chips. I recommend you get the G.Skill HZ that use Micron D9 chips and is overclockable to more than 1000 mhz, also 2x 1Gb only costs 120 at newegg.
May 23, 2007 10:00:40 PM

I'm rather impatient, so I've ordered a ga-p35-ds4 today (which was in stock - asked prior to ordering) and some crucial ballistix pc2-8000 (supposed to have micron d9 chips as well, and a hell of a lot cheaper than the g.skill ones)

We'll see how it turns out. Perhaps they're not supposed to be released yet, but they are being sold.
May 23, 2007 11:16:28 PM

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Yes about 2 weeks ago, ZZF, newegg, and ClubIT had them listed. Then took them off, I don't think the boards are supposed to be sold until next month here in the US. The top PC component etailers (US) do not have them listed.

ClubIT will sell you one if you call them (as of last week), but Intel made them take it off the website.

Also, I read that the X38 will be DDR3 only, unlike the P35 which supports DDR2 & DDR3. I don't know if they'll rethink that given the complete lack of DDR3 on the market now.
May 24, 2007 8:23:31 AM

I bought my GA-P35-DS4 yesterday + e4300 + ocz2gb1066mhz listed as compatible on the Gigabyte website dedicated to p35-DS4.

Unfortunetely don't have time for it. Moving to another apartement and it's a mess.

Gh0stDrag0n, right you are - new boards do have immature bioses, but I was thinking how serious these problems could be, in comparison to other boards. It does seem to me that DS4 may have a sufficiently stable bios at the start, unlike other boards. It is a risk nevertheless, but I am not going to wait until I know for sure. By that time I will want another board :wink:

Not entirely sure about x38 only supporting DDR3 in practice, in theory yes. It does say so on the net that it wil only support DDR3, but in that case INDEED there will be problems with the board, actually very "immature" DDR3.

P35 (DS4, DQ6) also officially/formally support CF, but it seems that they underperform with that (1x16 PCIe, while another is only 1x4PCIe).

Finally the question was - best MB on p35 - it may be DQ6, but I concluded that at this time for me personally this would be an over-investment. I think/hope DS4 will do just fine.
May 24, 2007 8:38:21 AM

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It does seem to me that DS4 may have a sufficiently stable bios at the start, unlike other boards.


You're wrong about this detail.
First thing you want to do is update the bios, else you'll find it rather hard to pass approx 400fsb ... but once done, it is indeed supposed to run like a charm.
May 24, 2007 2:35:37 PM

Well I'm gutted.....City Link lost my DQ6 and it reappeared today a day late but looks like it was transported direcly underneath an elephant. The NB heatsink is bent over about 40 degrees. grrrrrr. Its been RMA'd but Misco now out of stock. Ordered another from Scan....cheaper still...just £137.46 inc delivery. No next day option though and ETA is 30/5/07....cant believe it takes nearly a week to pack and ship a board so wonder if this ties in with the 1/6/07 release date people have mentioned...perhaps theyre not supposed to ship until the end of the month?? Not used Scan for a long time so no idea if all their orders take this long to ship??
To have it in my hands and have to wrap it up and send it back really does sting somewhat.

Edit: Do people realise that Gigabyte do 2 revisions of this board...the other has a T suffix and is DDR3 only apparently....easily identifiable as it has Pink Dimm slots instead of Red...I didnt realise that DDR3 architecture was so radically different that they have to release a whole other board revision to use it???? Costs the same but a shame the regular version wont be future compatible.
May 24, 2007 2:41:07 PM

Sad. Seems postal services in whereever you live stinks as much as it does here in denmark.

On the bright side, all danish packages arrived the next workday regardles of where to (within border limits). But a crushed board because of careless apes, that's sad.
May 24, 2007 2:51:31 PM

In fairness to Misco their customer service has been spot on....quick to get through on phone and the girl took responibility straight away and sent a courier to collect this afternoon at their expense...unlike certain companies who expect you to ship it back yourself with empty promises of refunded shipping if the board is indeed faulty and provided there isnt more than 52% cloud cover in the sky at the time of receipt. Over...cough....clockers.co.uk
I suppose Misco could have packed it a little bit more robustly, its a heavy package with all the silent pipe stuff and delicate.... the Gigabyte packaging is VERY tight so even light continual pressure on top of it will slowly bend the heatsink out of shape. But the real culprits here are City Link...they couldnt have screwed things up more badly if they tried it seems.
May 24, 2007 3:16:20 PM

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It does seem to me that DS4 may have a sufficiently stable bios at the start, unlike other boards.


You're wrong about this detail.
First thing you want to do is update the bios, else you'll find it rather hard to pass approx 400fsb ... but once done, it is indeed supposed to run like a charm.

Well, I wasn't actually wrong, I just did not know what whas the state of the BIOS at that time. I was initially considering abit fp-in9 sli, but in some (sufficent #) cases the board woldn't even start - some boards were al right, some boards were bad, some even blaimed the immature BIOS for it. Well, I don't think that BIOS was to blaim for that:) )), but those guys had to wait enough for the new BIOS versions (now b13) to fix some stuff.

So, that's what I meant - If there ISN'T a new BIOS (as I said, I didn't check at that time) then I hoped that the DS4 will be stable enough for at least an initial limited OC with the possibility to upgrade BIOS later. I am aware enough that a BIOS update is normally necessary.

But thanks for the warning anyhow! And I do now hope it will run great, even with my plan of "limited" OC - since I am sure you speak already from your new experience with this board (I saw you order it too) so good luck to you with this mobo as well!
May 24, 2007 6:04:58 PM

I infact don't have any experience with it myself yet. It hasn't arrived yet.
However two aquantances have it, and both had memory issues when teh fsb went a bit past 400 with the shipped bios. It's not like it won't run at all though - the board lives perfectly up to specifications. It's just that overclocking while it's equipped with micron d9 chips and the initial bios, it won't always work out.
May 25, 2007 12:41:53 PM

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I infact don't have any experience with it myself yet. It hasn't arrived yet.
However two aquantances have it, and both had memory issues when teh fsb went a bit past 400 with the shipped bios. It's not like it won't run at all though - the board lives perfectly up to specifications. It's just that overclocking while it's equipped with micron d9 chips and the initial bios, it won't always work out.


Thanks for the heads up! As for RAM, I hope I was right to buy a memory quoted as compatible with p35-ds4 by Gigabyte itself... Anyway, now moving to another apartment and don't have time to even install everything in time. Cheers m8s! :D 
May 26, 2007 5:02:41 PM

Go for the gigabyte ga p35c ds3r cuz it support ddr2 and ddr3 both, because ddr3 does not worth at all in this moment. so you could have a good mobo a very good capability for upgrade in the future.
May 26, 2007 7:13:50 PM

Thats what I said before the ddr3 its to expensive at this moment and It does not worth to expend all that money for a little better perfomance.

ddr 2 is the mem to go right now,

the next year maybe you should get ddr3 but thats why I recomend the ga p35c ds3r because it support both and the new X38 should support both ddr2 and ddr3 I know it does the chipset itself, but the manufactures should implemtent it in the mobo? I mean like the gigabyte one with both ddr's in same board.

Also there is a MSI with a intel chip G33 with both memory but I personally rather P35 instead of G33.
May 27, 2007 5:36:29 AM

I bought the p5k a week or so ago from an eBay store willing to ship despite the embargo of june 2nd.

havent fired it and dont have a gigabyte to compare it to, just saying the asus are esy to get.

Lump
May 29, 2007 5:20:35 PM

Well Ive got my board at last and all installed and running smoothly. I need to reinstall the OS at some point I suppose but for now it seems to be running well just by uninstalling all the old P5N_E SLI drivers and installing the new Gigabyte ones and then reinstalling the graphics/audio. I'm surprised how well it seems to have worked to be honest. I'm completely new to overclocking and have no real desire to push it to its limits and massively shorten its lifespan but would like to get a little more out of its stock speed without overdoing it. Maybe some of you experts could throw me some tips here.

With my old P5N-E SLI I could seperately set the memory bus from the CPU FSB but with this board I seem restricted to simply using the set memory multiplier options. For some reason these start at 2.5??? Why is that??? With 1066MHz rated RAM, if you wanted to set a CPU FSB of 533 then the ideal memory multiplier would be 2 would it not???? Why do the options start at 2.5? (EDIT: Actually I see now there is a 2x option its just the options arent listed in order for some reason.) Am I missing something or is there no way with this board to control the mem and CPU FSB seperately?

Also what is considered best from a performance perspective....upping the FSB and reducing the CPU multiplier or upping the multiplier and reducing the FSB??? Or doesnt it matter?

Also what does the System Performance Enhancement Option (Standard, Turbo, Extreme) do??? I cant see what settings this is adjusting or how it will impact performance...I dont notice a great difference regardless of what I select.

I suppose I would like to run the CPU at around 3.4Ghz or thereabouts with the RAM at 1066 but not sure of the most efficient way of achieving this.

Any tips or advice appreciated. Thanks!

Currently running at 3.4Ghz (8x426FSB) with memory at 1065Mhz with a 4:5 divider. Core temps around 36C idle and 50C loaded.

Gigabyte P5-DQ6 & E6600 CPU with Akasa AK961 Cooler
GF 8800GTS 320MB
2x 1GB OCZ PC8500 1066 5-5-5-15 2T
2x Seagate 7200.10 SATAII (non-RAID)
CL XFi Fatality Pro
HEC 550W PSU
June 5, 2007 12:06:41 PM

IP35 Pro is in stock at Newegg $185
February 29, 2008 2:30:21 AM

So which board is better now?

GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS4

ASUS P5K-E

MSI P35 Platinum

Features are pretty much the same so it comes down to stability, software, and overclocking. Pretty much the important things.
March 6, 2008 9:01:02 PM

MSI due to advanced cooling system lots of oc'ing software if you wanted it plenty of BIOS options and hits high FSB under extra voltage :) 
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