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256bit 8600 GTS real or just rumours?

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May 23, 2007 8:35:55 AM

I was searching for some 8600 GTS benchmarks and I found this:

http://www.chilehardware.com/foro/exclusivo-geforce-860...

They say there's a 256bit 8600 GTS coming by the end of june...

It could be great... if it were true..
May 23, 2007 10:11:09 AM

I'd say, it would widen the range of nVidia cards, but as a card, it wouldn't be great. Yes, 256 bit bus and 512 memory is nice, but the graphics processor is the same weak g84.
May 23, 2007 10:56:34 AM

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but the graphics processor is the same weak g84.


The 86XX series architecture is hampered severely by a small memory bus not a weak core ;)  if they were to do this then AMD/ATI would have to bring out a 256bit 2600 or a severely cut down 65nm 2900 to compete (im hoping for the later)
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June 5, 2007 8:40:36 AM

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...the graphics processor is the same weak g84.


Your definition of "weak" seems to be "anything that is not the latest greatest most awesomest thing ever".
June 5, 2007 9:33:19 AM

Well the 256 bit 8600GTS is already out in retail stores in my place (Malaysia) and well its not as bad as some of you might think. Esp. running the latest games eg. Supreme Commander. But thats just my .02
June 5, 2007 9:38:57 AM

lol weak g84, thats the problem everyone has been bitchin about is the 128 bit memory bus. by upping the memory bus to 256 bit should greatly increase the cards performance :D 
June 9, 2007 12:43:53 AM

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Well the 256 bit 8600GTS is already out in retail stores in my place (Malaysia)...


Just want to clarify here... the 256 MB with 128 bit architecture is out, or they've actually introduced a 256 MB with 256 bit architecture?

If it really is 256 MB/256 bit, how is the price compared to the original 256 MB/128 bit? Do you have a link you could post?

Other than rumors, I don't think we've heard anything in the US about a 256 MB/25bit 8600GTS yet.
June 17, 2007 2:49:42 PM

A while back ATi let out that their series did include a 256M/256bit board the 2800GTO. "Supposedly" the eqivilent board would be labled an 8700 series. As for an 8600 series with 256 bit, I won't believe it until I can buy it.

f61
June 17, 2007 10:14:12 PM

8600gts with 512meg and 256bit interface, would be awesome.

Nvidia seem to have 2 cards available atm the 8800gts 320meg and the 8600gts.

Hopefully this new one will have a price about in-between those two.
June 17, 2007 11:14:16 PM

8900gs will be a 256bit card, 8600 series ->not deserving 256bits.
June 18, 2007 2:59:02 AM

I bet it can beat X1950Pro if it is 256 bit.... It will be a good relatively strong performer for not so loaded gamers.
June 18, 2007 3:48:44 AM

well I would seriously take a look at buying one when I can get the money together if they aren't overpriced. Will probably be a year before I can afford an upgrade like that but hey thats something to look forward too :D 
June 18, 2007 3:55:31 AM

They would have to be fairly cheap otherwise you are starting to get close to 8800gts territory.
June 18, 2007 4:21:53 AM

if i had to guess I would say about $250, cause aren't the current 8600s 200 and the 88s around $300?
June 18, 2007 4:24:35 AM

Yes so for 50 bucks more why not get the 8800.
June 18, 2007 10:38:14 AM

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Yes so for 50 bucks more why not get the 8800.


I'm guessing the 8600GTS 128 bit would drop in price a bit.

Regardless, I might be more comfortable with the strongest 8600 than I would with the weakest 8800, particularly since I'd be giving up two card slots for that 8800 thats only a little more powerful than the 8600.

Right now I have a GeForce 3 64 MB AGP 1x!! Whichever nVidia 8 series PCIe x16 that I buy, I can't wait to do it. :-)
June 18, 2007 12:13:30 PM

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Right now I have a GeForce 3 64 MB AGP 1x!! Whichever nVidia 8 series PCIe x16 that I buy, I can't wait to do it. :-)


youve got patience. the longest ive held out on upgrading my video card was from a geforce 1 to a geforce 4 ti 4200. then i went to a 6800, but just sold that, so now im using an old pci-based radeon 7500 :(  i think i should start using the geforce 1 again...
June 21, 2007 7:55:02 PM

My unterstasnding of spanish is limited, but its a 128 bit with parallel processing x2, making it look like a 256 bit. Still cripped at 128 bit.

f61
June 21, 2007 11:32:48 PM

So don't waste your time to wait for 8600GTS 256bit then?
The GPU change pretty quick, the top performer card 3 years ago is nothing today.... I can't afford to keep up with this :roll:
I believe I have the MX440, so it's already a while and time for a change
June 22, 2007 12:29:28 AM

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Well the 256 bit 8600GTS is already out in retail stores in my place (Malaysia)


Where did you find it? Low Yat or somewhere else? Or was it actually a 256 MB of memory, but still at 128bit bus?
June 22, 2007 10:37:25 PM

@phassat

Nice antique board. Xp3200+ with it? ;) 

f61
June 23, 2007 4:54:10 PM

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My understanding of Spanish is limited, but its a 128 bit with parallel processing x2, making it look like a 256 bit. Still crippled at 128 bit.

f61


I'm pretty sure you mis-interpreted it and it actually says that its just a 8600gts with double the bandwidth IE 128bit to 256bit.
June 24, 2007 6:44:16 PM

Well, I wouldn't be really. It would be a clever step for NVidia to introduce 8600 cards with a 256-bit memory bus to put even more daylight between them and the competition. Don't forget ATI's 2400/2600 will be available shortly and they all have a 128-bit bus.
June 26, 2007 3:28:55 PM

8600gts with 512mb and 256bit could be a well desent card if it could overclcok to 750 - 800core 1100(2200)memory and maybe alittle bit on the shader clock too.

All that and id definatly consider it as a card.
June 26, 2007 4:28:14 PM

You would think a 256 bit memory bus would be mainstream by now. I'm still holding off on my 8600 purchase (if i ever take that plunge). They should have made the 8500's into 128 bit and kept the 8600's at 256 bit. That would have blown everyones mind! This supposed new card should be enough to make me push that "buy now" button.
June 26, 2007 4:51:33 PM

Exactly! If Nvidia will release a 256-bit version of the 8600. I'll buy it immediately.
June 26, 2007 5:18:03 PM

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Well the 256 bit 8600GTS is already out in retail stores in my place (Malaysia)...


Just want to clarify here... the 256 MB with 128 bit architecture is out, or they've actually introduced a 256 MB with 256 bit architecture?

If it really is 256 MB/256 bit, how is the price compared to the original 256 MB/128 bit? Do you have a link you could post?

Other than rumors, I don't think we've heard anything in the US about a 256 MB/25bit 8600GTS yet.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to a 256 MB card... not the bus width.
a b U Graphics card
July 1, 2007 11:18:19 AM

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Exactly! If Nvidia will release a 256-bit version of the 8600. I'll buy it immediately.


If all they did was put 256bit memory on it, and didn't improve the shader #, it'd still be a weak card as already mentioned.

Yes the GF8600 needs more memory bandwidth, but that alone will not vault it past the X1950XT, only bring it up to about 1950Pro levels.

The GF8700/8800GS needs both more bandwidth and about twice as many shaders as the GF8600 series.

If it or the RV670 were to hit the market over the next few weeks they sell-out.

But as you can see, the original rumour was pretty much the bunk we aid it was all along. The next 256bit cards will not be called the GF8600, heck that name is associated with weakness, not strength. So like the previous generation you'll see a GF8800GS or HD2900Pro rather than something tied to what are now thought of as terribly weak cards/series.
July 1, 2007 8:26:03 PM

Yup GGA, gonna need a few more shaders. 64 might be worth it, but considering the 8800 series has 96/128, 64 is the most to be expected.

I have the 8800GS/8700GT pegged this way... 256bit/256Mb/64 shaders.

If the roadmap pre-release means anything at all, Ati's supposed HD2800GTO is rated 256bit/256Mb/96shaders.

BTW, very dissapointed with all of these 8600/2600/8500/2400 releases, these look like pre-built box boards for the major leagers... Dell, HP, Gateway, eBayDIY's, etc. My, some folks are quite greedy.

f61
a b U Graphics card
July 4, 2007 1:05:37 AM

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If the roadmap pre-release means anything at all, Ati's supposed HD2800GTO is rated 256bit/256Mb/96shaders.


I'd double check those figures, only because the HD2600 already has '120 shaders' so it's likely a different factor, and I wouldn't expect a GTO to have 96 clusters versus the XT's 64. So I would suspect we're talking about someting in the range of 240 shaders in a 4+1 arrangement.

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BTW, very dissapointed with all of these 8600/2600/8500/2400 releases, these look like pre-built box boards for the major leagers... Dell, HP, Gateway, eBayDIY's, etc. My, some folks are quite greedy.


Yeah these definitely seem to be OEM targets, more interespted in thermal and power properties rather than performance.

Dissapointing really, and even more dissapointing there's no one there to pick up the slack either. Man I miss Matrox :(  , heck even S3 could've made this interesting.
July 6, 2007 4:24:17 PM

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if i had to guess I would say about $250, cause aren't the current 8600s 200 and the 88s around $300?


Actually the current 8600's are around $115, the EVGA one is like 104 after mail in rebate on newegg i think
July 6, 2007 6:28:47 PM

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if i had to guess I would say about $250, cause aren't the current 8600s 200 and the 88s around $300?


Actually the current 8600's are around $115, the EVGA one is like 104 after mail in rebate on newegg i think
I think he means the 8600gts. $200 is right in line with those right now.
July 6, 2007 7:02:22 PM

Oh, sorry.
July 7, 2007 10:16:15 AM

@ Great Grape Ape:

Yeah, we need a third playah.
Do you have a link to that April 07 roadmap I saw, been goin crazy lookin for it. Thanks

f61
July 7, 2007 11:02:20 AM

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heck even S3 could've made this interesting.

You never know last I heard is that S3 are working day and night on a DX10 series aswell as an DX10.1 series. I would laugh if the new S3's came out and owned ATi and nVidia seriously doubt it.
http://www.techpowerup.com/?14318
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35932
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"Memory controller is simplified, dual-channel 128-bit controller" would that mean the memory bandwidth is doubled compared to a standard 128bit bus?
Edit: Q4 delay: http://publish.it168.com/2007/0429/20070429044701.shtml (use babblefish)
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