My experience with Vista64 has definitely been a learning experience, solving one hurdle after another kinda reminded me of trying to stop water from a cracked dam, every time one hole is plugged another stream of water springs forth from a different location.
Personally after a while you begin to wonder is this worth all the trouble?
Its really discouraging when the problems seem to be resolved only to get replaced by a more difficult problem, with their being no blame to lay on Virus's, Trojans, Spyware, Etc. all scanned and being non existent, so what the heck is wrong? Its not hardware, all tests and diagnostics come back good?
But finally after months my Vista64 problems have been resolved, the machine is snappy once again, responds quick, Boots fast, Shuts down fast, Restarts fast, its basically running the best its ever run period!
Why?
How?
The solution is so simple, completely formatted and wiped Vista out and reinstalled WinXP Pro!
Problem Solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Further down the road when SP2 is released for Vista, I'll probably give it a third try, but not as my main machine unless SP2 is full of miracles, its just not worth it!
And for any of you wanting to defend Vista64 to me, save your freakin time, I've wasted more than enough time on Vista, I could care less what you think!
However the true fix to Vista, is not to use it and save yourself the trouble!
Ryan
My four Vista 64 machines have ran perfect since the days I installed and built them. My personal Vista 64 machine in My Configuration is the fastest, by far coolest, likable, most satisfying system I have ever built. I'm sure XP would run my 64 bit quad processor and eight gigs of RAM. But that would be as useless as tits on a bull. Besides VIsta gets the chicks. When they see you got the V, expect this kind of performance.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/n [...] 537017.ece
I am happy for you!
Regarding Link ROFL Thats cool badge
I am running an AMD Q9950 BE OCd to 3.2ghz, with 4G of 1066 RAM and WinXp Pro is running just fine, finally got the PCP&C P/S replaced and completed the Centurion 590 build.
It sports an AMD FX60 skt939 w Tuniq Tower 120 cooler, DFI Lanparty NF4-SLI DR M/B, 2G Corsair PC3500 Pro, BFG 8800GT, PCP&C 750W Silencer, also running WinXP Pro, its my secondary gaming machine which will be ethernet direct crossover connected to my primary gamer.
My cousins busting at the seams for some team gaming, so we're going to give it a try!
Hows things over your way?
Well, nice systems you have, glad to see those are working well. I have the micro AMD 5000 X2 at 2.8Ghz with 8GBs RAM, onboard Crossfie with an ATI 3450 and Vista 64. That is running very nicely, but would love to have a new PII as soon as the price falls to jaw dropping levels. CPU prices are dropping! BTW. I had to cancel my first order with Directron for the 400w OCZ modular PSU. The Co. did not have it in stock and charged my card on a Friday. I cancelled Monday when they were not sure when they would have and be able to ship it! So, the unit was on their website showing In Stock. It was not when I ordered and was charged. So, I orderd an Antec Neo Power modular 550w unit from Newegg and it will be delivered today. So, if I'm not tired when I get home, I'll install it. That way I can swap out to a real video card and a quad core when I'm ready. I've been running it with an Aprieva 430w micro psu from an X QPack! It's fine, but the fan is loud and I don't really trust it as I add to the system. If my son's system would fail I would let him install his games on it and run wild.
Congrats on the FX60 up and running. The AMD 64 939 dual cores do well at multitasking. I have a AMD 4800 X2 939 SLI system running. Used it yesterday. Two 8600GT's and Vista 32. I'm typing on my FX55 system this afternoon in the back office. Had to come to work to take some skull x rays this afternoon. My wife is the only other person in our employ that is licensed or capable and she is busy with patients. I make it easy for her, see. 8) Enough about my personal crap. I have a brand new Tuniq Tower 120 in the box. Never got to use it. Was going to put it on my 9450 quad when I change out the case someday. So, today in this office I am messing with two AMD socket 754 systems and this FX55 939. I really mess with these old machines a lot. I installed Windows 7 on another 939 sytem I have at home and have a dual boot Win 7/XP. Lottsa computer stuff. I'm an addict.
So is the CM590 a 10?
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No I'd give it a 9, had to do a little M/B mounting plate surgery on it, so my wires would fit through the plate, it had pre-stamped holes but they didn't line up with the PCP&C power supply.
They don't quite give enough space to bring the wires behind the mounting plate and side cover, so it was extremely tight, another 1/4" would have made a big difference, but I guarantee the right side panel won't rattle!
Other than those discrepencies it would be a 10 IMO, I did ditch the driver bay quick connect locks, I'm just partial to the mounting screws, but the add in card retention clips I kept, they're the best I've ever seen, they're strong and they work.
Something I'd like to share with you about the Tuniq Tower 120, obviously in the manufacturing of it, its left with a fine coat of an oily substance on the cooling fins, which attracts dust like a magnet, seriously affecting its cooling performance, you can feel the greasy feeling with your fingers.
I removed the cooling fan carriage from mine and washed the heatsink itself in the sink with Dawn dish washing liquid, got all the greasy residue off of it, also re-lapped the heatsink base, for about a total 5c temp improvement.
I guess I'm hooked on the modding aspect of things but I know what I want from the product and if I have to add a little work to improve it I will.
Don't have any pics yet, but I did one of my best wire routing jobs ever, I'm getting pretty good at that if I might say so myself.
I have my main system in this case:
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/prod [...] zartTX.htm
I have eleven 120mm fans installed. I counted something lke 25 fans total one time. That's counting like 3 x 40mm fans on a Corsair RAM cooling unit and the two graphics card fans. The case provides the best cooling solution I have used in a case until the more recent Antec 900/300's with the open mesh front and multiple 120mm fans. It has four seperate chambers with the PSU completely seperated from the system. The MB has it's own chamber with specially designed 120mm fan cooling. The case is really effective, but it is also HUGE. I can barely lift it. It must weigh more than 60lbs loaded. It has a media Lab remote control I use to turn it off and on. Can read out weather and current news and display the system specs on self scrolling LED panel. I never installed the optional 7"LED monitor that Thermaltake designed for the case.
Here 's matt Damon giving a review of the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyEcdCCQnA0
The Antec Neo 550w modular works great in my new 780g micro build. It is so quiet compared to the Aprieva 430w micro unit. I can add a beefy video card and a PII when ready now. I managed to install a Zalman CPU fan speed controller and slowed down the 3000rpm FX55 939 cooler's 92mm fan. That helped the noise a lot too. So, I'm very happy with the new micro. Now I have to install one of these Silverstone Clear CMOS units I picked up the other day on my HDMI machine. I'm trying to OC the e6600 a bit and the OC keeps failing on me and I have to reset the CMOS manually. I have an ASUS 965G Micro board and apparently it is going to force me to reset the BIOS manually. I'll fix that. Gotta increase the voltages.
http://www.silverstonetek.com/prod [...] RCMOS&area
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0303128
Thanks for the heads up on the Tuniq Tower 120. I want to take my q9450/X38 out of the Mozart TX case someday and install it something much softer. Maybe something built with a little soft porn in mind LOL. Get me started an I'll have it in a pink case trimmed in black leather! hahahaha. I wonder what mountain mods would say if I asked if they could design a pink case with black leather trim? 8) Don't laugh, someone will do it.
http://www.mountainmods.com/
Man that MozartTX is one hell of a case!!!
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ROFL You're right!
That Clear CMOS is a good idea, years back SOYO included one on its 3 1/2" bay Flash Memory Card reader with its last SOYO Dragon M/B released, was a great feature that I had moved to a couple of M/Bs afterwards and it worked for each one,
ASUS has begun putting a Clear CMOS button accessable on the outside next to the PS2 input ports, thats real convenient and way overdue.
That Mountain Mod Case is a monster, I don't have the room for that thing, of course you could put it in the center of the room and heat the house with it. LOL
badge We've got 4" of snow on the ground here in SC, that doesn't seem like much, but we never seem to get any accumulated snow here at all, so its kinda a treat for us!
Very impressive looking FX60. Great wiring job. I wish we would have had you around when we overhauled my '69 Chevelle SS396. 8) A system like that deserves a clear side panel. This guy uses 'tape' when he makes make one. It's a bit much work, but I've seen more difficult techniques.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpZoE-zj0-k
I've had a couple of clear side panel cases and I'm just not into that, one of my good friends is, and going to his house he has a dedicated computer room same as I do, but his is like the Las Vegas Strip.
After a while all that flashing light crap gets annoying to me, and I know a clear side panel doesn't have to include flashing and neon lights, but the CM590 side panel fan holes are perfectly located over the CPU and GPU locations, and I just don't want to put a clear plexiglass window in whats left over, IMO it wouldn't be big enough to justify the effort.
Well, I like my $20 Rosewill micro case. It is certainly worth that money. The new Antec NEO 550w PSU is very quiet and I feel safe with it. I would buy again. Using only one 4 pin molex lead and one sata lead from the PSU. Great, easy to biuild space saver for a micro. Also. I'm using AMD's Cool and Quiet and unlike Intel's speedstep, Cool and Quiet makes the system seem a bit like me trying to get out of bed in the morning...slow. I haven't built an AMD system for a long while and I do not use Cool and Quiet on any of my older AMD systems, this is the first one I've tried it on. I'll probably leave Cool and Quiet on for now. Maybe when I get a PII, I turn it off and enjoy the raw processing power. Do you know anything about Cool and Quiet? I notice it downclocks the RAM also, which Intel's Speedstep does not. I do like the new 780G board and this system a lot. I think it would be a heck of powerful system with a PII. I prefer a case with a side window to show off what I've built. But, like this last system, I don't have to have it.
In my experience Cool and Quiet and overclocking don't mix, it hasn't in the past and it doesn't today, its fine for my wifes machine, but not for mine.
I have my Q9450 OC'd to 3.0GHz. 24/7 for months and speedstep is on. Same for my son's Q6600, OC'ed with speedstepping on. All four of my C2D/C2Q systems have speedstepping on. Doesn't effect the ability to OC the processor at all. Reduces heat. A lot of idle time spent with a down clocked processor is a good thing. Cool and Quiet downclocks the RAM, speedstep doesn't. This makes the data transfer rates very slow using Cool and Quiet. This is my experience. I like Speedstep. Not sure about Cool and Quiet.
Probably has something to do with the ODMC... perhaps the same will happen with Core i7?
Chip has onboard memory controller...yep. Cool and Quiet REALLY slows the CPU/RAM data processing function down compared to Intel Speedstep. My experience.
4Ryan I understand if you are looking for the highest OC possible you would turn speedstep/cool and quiet off.
| badge wrote : I have my Q9450 OC'd to 3.0GHz. 24/7 for months and speedstep is on. Same for my son's Q6600, OC'ed with speedstepping on. All four of my C2D/C2Q systems have speedstepping on. Doesn't effect the ability to OC the processor at all. Reduces heat. A lot of idle time spent with a down clocked processor is a good thing. Cool and Quiet downclocks the RAM, speedstep doesn't. This makes the data transfer rates very slow using Cool and Quiet. This is my experience. I like Speedstep. Not sure about Cool and Quiet.
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I learned my lessons with Cool and Quiet a long time ago, its fine for someone that has a non gaming, email, internet surfing , picture editing, letter typing, and maybe watch a DVD on their computer, but not for a seriously OCd gaming machine.
Cool and quiet will allow the temps to increase to a level recovery doesn't happen fast enough before trouble arises.
Its more of a problem with AMD cpus with unlocked multipliers, that to attain a higher CPU clock speed along with increasing the multiplier, the Vcore has to be increased.
When you increase the Vcore and cool and quiet decides to drop your fan speed, during your game play, because it determined it was safe to do so when it wasn't, you can be in trouble real quick when you're in the middle of your favorite game, and cool and quiet cannot get the fan speed back up enough to recover to a safe temperature.
I like to set my OCs in balance to my manual fan settings so I know exactly where my temps will be under a full gaming load, then theres no problem with cool and quiet because its disabled, if I want quiet, I turn my fan speeds down, I am the cool and quiet on my machines.
As far as speed step is concerned I don't run Intel, haven't patronized Intel products since 2001, so I don't have a clue as to how good speed step works, and no offense neither do I care, Sorry.
Well, that is some great information. I have the 5000X2 at 2.8Ghz with Cool and Quiet and it's nice. So...I'm going to try it a bit higher, 2.9-30GHz., without Cool and Quiet. This is a micro board and the BIOS is limited in adjustment. I had to reset some of the voltages to maintain stability at 2.8GHz. when I swapped the PSU the other day. Slow computers are a pain. I hate working on them. My Q9450 at 3GHz. has spoiled me forever.
Even my Q6600 spoils me... at stock speed no less. Upgraded from an A64 3800... which I still have around to experiment with Linux and such. Overclocking never seemed to work well for me. I definately can't complain about the speed I do have, though... fastest computer I've ever built.
| badge wrote : Well, that is some great information. I have the 5000X2 at 2.8Ghz with Cool and Quiet and it's nice. So...I'm going to try it a bit higher, 2.9-30GHz., without Cool and Quiet. This is a micro board and the BIOS is limited in adjustment. I had to reset some of the voltages to maintain stability at 2.8GHz. when I swapped the PSU the other day. Slow computers are a pain. I hate working on them. My Q9450 at 3GHz. has spoiled me forever. |
Military Flashback: Hurry up and wait!
Well my jump to the AM2 platform was a little disappointing at first since my older FX60 was benchmark stomping my new 5400+BE overclocked, that was a hard pill to swallow, but the move to the AM2 was to pave the way for the Phenom upgrade, the 9950BE is one amazing CPU, but all of these dual and quad core processors are amazing leaps from where we all came from, no matter if it was from the AMD or Intel camp.
| Zoron wrote : Even my Q6600 spoils me... at stock speed no less. Upgraded from an A64 3800... which I still have around to experiment with Linux and such. Overclocking never seemed to work well for me. I definately can't complain about the speed I do have, though... fastest computer I've ever built. |
That Q6600 is an excellent CPU, a great overclocker.
Once in a while I crank up my Pentium III 450MHz. system. It has 384MBs of RAM and a 12GB Maxtor Fireball HD! Ok, I'll stop. I do wish I could get my 133MHz. Pentium I with 64MB RAM and a 1GB hard drive up and running.
The 450MHz. Pentium III has XP installed. It crushes.
My 16 year old son uses the Q6600 for gaming. He has a 9800GT, 6 gigs of RAM on an ASUS P965. I'll probably take if anything happens to my Q9450 8). I have it at 2.7GHz, a mild OC, but it is completely stable and cool and is running close to 24/7. Like I said I use Speedstep. My wife uses the E8400 and an ASUS G35 with 4 gigs. These systems are all Vista 64. Then I have the E6600 C2D in a Zalman HTPC. OCing the e6600 is on my list of things to do. It's on an ASUS 965G. I mentioned have to install this first:
http://www.silverstonetek.com/prod [...] CMOS&area=
The Zalman black HTPC is pretty nice. I have hooked up to a 40" Samsung 1080p:
http://www.dvhardware.net/review79_zalmanhd160.html
Your house sounds like a computer museum badge.
Well, I have the AMD 5000 X2 at 2.9GHz. running all evening with Cool and Quiet on. At this speed when the cool and quiet downclocks the CPU the 'sluggishness' is not nearly as bad. This unit is very quick at 2.9GHz. Ryan where is your FX60 at, what CPU speed? I had to raise the RAM voltage a bit to get to 2.9 and the Vcore is at Manufactuer retal price. This micro system is faster than my OC'd FX55 at 2.8Ghz. and it is pretty snappy. The system appears to be quite a lot faster than my 4800X2 socket 939 which is at 2.6Ghz. I hope so 8). I just updated the firmware on the two DVD RW's in here. Onboard crossfire looks very good palying a DVD at 1680 x 1050, 700:1 CR, 5ms. Not as good as my 22" 1080p, 20,000:1, 1900X1080, 5ms with 2 x 3870. I've gone mad...ahhhhhhhhh!
My FX60 is running at 3G with a 15x multiplier and vcore of 1.450v.
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