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May 24, 2007 6:24:03 AM

So I am getting a Q6600 and I was wondering what are some good aftermarket heatsinks for it. Case is a Thermaltake Armor VA8003BWS and mobo is EVGA 680i A1. Also, which is better? Artic Silver 5, Ceramique, or Alumina?

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May 24, 2007 6:53:00 AM

Check the overclocking guide for core2duo by WUSY..... That thread have a list of top aftermarket coolers. I personally would choose zalman 7900LED for the look or tuniq tower 120 for cooling. Both HSF are very large, might not fit your system. Arctic silver 5 is very popular, but i've seen a large number of people saying Arctic Silver ceramique is better than Arctic Silver5. I'm not sure about Alumina since i haven't seen people use it. Maybe it's not good since nobody use it.
May 24, 2007 7:43:14 AM

Using an Ultra-120 Extreme on my Q6600 o/ced to 9x333.

Be warned that all C2D and quad C2D chip are known to have irregularly shaped IHS (internal heat spreaders) meaning good contact between the HS and core can be difficult. You can consider lapping both the base of the HS and the IHS on your chip to give better temps. I knocked 7 °C off my load temps from the coolest core and over 10 °C off my load temps from the hottest core by lapping both the IHS on the Q6600 and the base of the ultra-120 extreme. See pics and temp graphs in those two threads.
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May 24, 2007 9:35:16 AM

Ultra Extreme would be nice if any stores had it in stock, I will probably go Zalman 9700 if I can't find one. I would lap the CPU but dont really have the confidence for it. Split down the middle between AS5 and Ceramique though...both seem like decent choices.
May 24, 2007 9:07:05 PM

Got lucky on newegg and got the Ultra 120 eXtreme with a Scythe S-flex fan and AS5. Seems like a good deal but is there anything specific I should know when installing this heatsink on my mobo?
May 24, 2007 10:51:33 PM

Nothing specific. Read the instruction that come with it and read the instructions for applying AS5 from their website. Don't listen to people in here that tell you otherwise.

One tip: do a dry run mount, i.e. leave the cpu out of the MB and make sure you know where the u-120 x will sit over the cpu such that it is centered. It is possible to mount it off-center on a P5B-Del which gives higher temps.
May 25, 2007 12:17:42 AM

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So I am getting a Q6600 and I was wondering what are some good aftermarket heatsinks for it. Case is a Thermaltake Armor VA8003BWS and mobo is EVGA 680i A1. Also, which is better? Artic Silver 5, Ceramique, or Alumina?


The best air coolers hands down are Thermalright.
The TIM that comes with the coolers is fine and 1/2C less with another brand is not worth the extra money.

The Thermalright coolers are also about as FLAT corner-to-corner as you could hope for and trying to lap one without custom tools will only make then less so.
The person who did his and the CPU would have had the same (or better) results from just laping the CPU.
May 25, 2007 12:31:35 AM

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The Thermalright coolers are also about as FLAT corner-to-corner as you could hope for and trying to lap one without custom tools will only make then less so.
The person who did his and the CPU would have had the same (or better) results from just laping the CPU.


That's me, and your statement is not accurate at all. Yes, TR makes a great cooler, but they are not flat corner-to-corner at all. There are numerous threads that agree with my result. Look at the pics in my thread. You can clearly see this HS was convex.
May 25, 2007 2:01:26 AM



WTF is a Tuniq Tower 120 Ultra?

8O . o O ( you askin me?)

Ummmm..

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Tuniq Tower 120 Ultra Silent Universal CPU Cooler - Rev. 2


Guess they have the weally weally quiet version? :lol:  . o O (its on frozen cpu's website)
May 25, 2007 9:17:34 AM

How About Cooler Master Hyper TX? Is it cool enough? :?:
May 25, 2007 9:41:31 AM

Eh, it's pretty much just a rebranded Freezer 7 Pro with a plastic shroud. The Freezer 7 tends to be cheaper too.

If you can afford get a Tuniq Tower or Ultra 120, do it. Seriously, they're both MILES ahead of the Freezer 7 and Hyper TX.

Imagine the stock hsf as a fly, the Freezer 7 as a pigeon, the Tuniq Tower and Ultra 120 as supersonic jets, water cooling as a hypersonic jet, cascade coolers, phase change systems, TECs, ect., as the speed of light, and dry ice/LN2 cooling as some crazy space ship capable of FTL travel. Oh, and for reference, no hsf, just the bare chip, as moving backwards, and absolute zero as Warp 10 (infinite speed). Now put all of 'em in a race to the center of the universe.
May 25, 2007 9:49:08 AM

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Eh, it's pretty much just a rebranded Freezer 7 Pro with a plastic shroud. The Freezer 7 tends to be cheaper too.

If you can afford get a Tuniq Tower or Ultra 120, do it. Seriously, they're both MILES ahead of the Freezer 7 and Hyper TX.

Imagine the stock hsf as a fly, the Freezer 7 as a pigeon, the Tuniq Tower and Ultra 120 as supersonic jets, water cooling as a hypersonic jet, cascade coolers, phase change systems, TECs, ect., as the speed of light, and dry ice/LN2 cooling as some crazy space ship capable of FTL travel. Oh, and for reference, no hsf, just the bare chip, as moving backwards, and absolute zero as Warp 10 (infinite speed). Now put all of 'em in a race to the center of the universe.


ahem... back to the subject...
May 25, 2007 10:02:34 AM

Hey, he asked about the Hyper TX, that's the best way I could think of to compare them. Now that I think about it a little more, benchmarks may have been slightly more effective, but still. Scramjet.

Tuniq Tower VS Ultra 120
Freezer 7 Pro, similar setup

The Freezer 7 (as I said before, the Hyper TX is virtually the same.) can keep a stock X6800 under full load at about 51c, the Tuniq Tower at 27c, and the Ultra 120 Extreme comes in at 26c. A Q6600 is going to be hotter then an X6800, since it has twice the cores. So add 3c or 4c to those temps and that's what you'll be looking at.
May 25, 2007 10:06:34 AM

That ACF7P benchie is ridiculous. I would never use a $30 HSF to cool a 3.5ghz $1000 Extreme Edition CPU.

They should bench it cooling a 3ghz e4300 instead... also noise at that level
May 25, 2007 10:08:51 AM

I like Hyper TX becouse of its size, Its not too big and medium performance.
Could you give me link for Tuniq Tower 120? I don't have any info about it :D 
May 25, 2007 10:09:11 AM

Well, of course you wouldnt. Nobody oc'ing that kind of chip would. The results are still valid nonetheless.

@UniQue: Look at my last post.
May 25, 2007 10:15:49 AM

About Tuniq Tower, it has 3pin or 4 pin connector?
Do you have its performance chart?
May 25, 2007 10:19:21 AM

3 pin connector, plus a 2 pin (IIRC) connector for the fan control knob. You don't have to use the 2 pin thing though, if it's disconnected the fan just runs at full speed.

I, personally, don't have the performance chart, but that link to the AnandTech article does.
May 25, 2007 10:22:56 AM

Ow... Already got it. Thermalright Ultra 120 comes with fan or we need to buy that 12cm fan?
May 25, 2007 10:35:05 AM

You have to buy a fan.
May 26, 2007 9:26:24 AM

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Hey, he asked about the Hyper TX, that's the best way I could think of to compare them. Now that I think about it a little more, benchmarks may have been slightly more effective, but still. Scramjet.

Tuniq Tower VS Ultra 120
Freezer 7 Pro, similar setup

The Freezer 7 (as I said before, the Hyper TX is virtually the same.) can keep a stock X6800 under full load at about 51c, the Tuniq Tower at 27c, and the Ultra 120 Extreme comes in at 26c. A Q6600 is going to be hotter then an X6800, since it has twice the cores. So add 3c or 4c to those temps and that's what you'll be looking at.


Uhm... you do know that you can't cross-compare HSF reviews like that with any sort of validity.. right?

- two different processors
- no idea what voltages were being used in the AT review
- the AT review only states the resulting temps, not what the ambient was (maybe it's listed there somewhere, but you have to subtract that from the overall temp to know anything about the cooler performance).
- even assuming the above could be cross-referenced, you quoted Load temps for the AC7, and Idle temps for the Ultra 120/Tuniq (oops :)  )
- even assuming all of the above was straightened out, the 'load' temps in the AT review were based on looping a "Far Cry River demo"... nothing like the Orthos test on the other system.

...even if the two reviews used all the same parts and ran the same tests, you still have to factor in which fans were used, which TIM was used (and how long it had set up), the "human error" factor (assuming one human has pretty much the same level between two within the same review... get two different humans doing two different reviews and all bets are off).

Anyway, I'm not suggesting that your general statement (TR 120 (with the right fan) and Tuniq are better coolers than the AC7/Hyper Tx), is incorrect, but the data you offer up for comparison purposes is... not a particularly good way to know what the difference is :) .
May 26, 2007 10:03:13 AM

Great... :D  Your link very helpfull. Anybody have another opinion about that comparison?
May 26, 2007 10:12:09 AM

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Ultra Extreme would be nice if any stores had it in stock


newegg has them in stock.

heatsinkfactory is currently out but email them and they'll let you know when.
May 26, 2007 10:15:42 AM

Yeah, my point was that it's really difficult to cross-reference multiple reviews to get a clear picture :) .

But, having said that, just about every review I've seen for the Hyper Tx shows it to be a 'very good' performer and can be had for ~$25 (check mWave.com or here). In the MADSHRIMPS roundup, it out-cooled 6 out of 9 coolers in various configurations, tied with 2 at the top (one of which is the Titan Amanda TEC cooler) and only lost to one (Zalman 9700 LED, at about double the noise level).

I don't think you can take any of those reviews too literally (not just those, but any HSF review in general) - there's just too many variables involved - but they will give you a broad idea of whether some HSF is a sinker or performer.
May 26, 2007 11:11:41 AM

What about the Enzotech Ultra-X? That looked quite good, and if I remember correctly, beat these tower contraptions.
May 26, 2007 2:55:21 PM

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What about the Enzotech Ultra-X? That looked quite good, and if I remember correctly, beat these tower contraptions.


Ultra-X review at Frostytech

Ultra-X beats Tuniq - (read from there, forward... gets more interesting)

Ultra-X beats Gemini II

Ultra-X beats Ultra Chill-TEC (Thermo-Electric Cooler)

Ultra-X beats Scythe Andy, Scythe Infinity, Big Typhoon, Zalman 9700, Noctua NH-U12F

Ultra-X vs Ultra 120 (w/Antec Tri-Cool fan) and Big Typhoon again - acording to this one, the Ultra 120 is a degree or 2 better at similar fan speeds.


...so, add salt, shake thoroughly :) . In general, this looks like a quality unit with a lot of potential. I think you'll soon see many other manufacturers moving to 8mm (or even 10mm) heat-pipes as time goes on.
May 26, 2007 3:18:16 PM

Re: Ultra-X ... nice find. Interesting reviews and quality (from photo's) construction. I, especially, liked the "finish" - seems it's almost factory lapped (and I hate the idea of having to "finish" a HS I've paid for).
May 27, 2007 6:43:43 AM



wtf? is this a really good cooler or some inaccurate reviews?

Well, if it was one review or even two that seemed out of line, I'd think that it must be some mistake. But with this cooler, the opposite seems to be true - nearly every reiew I've seen rates it very high against coolers you wouldn't expect it to with only an oddball review here and there rating it lower (on-par with, but quieter than an AC7Pro, for example).

So either CM sent out some kick-ass review sample, everyone got it wrong, or it's just a dang good cooler (not the best, but great bang for the buck, in a lighter weight cooler).

I've been researching coolers for about 3 months now, reading pretty much every review on any cooler that looked mildly interesting and now that I'm ready to make my purchase, I'm finding it hard NOT to buy this :) . I do have several others in mind, for various reasons, but the Hyper Tx keep jumping up and down at me.
May 27, 2007 6:47:14 AM

..keep in mind that you have to pay attention to the fans being used in those reviews as well. Invariably, anytime you see the Ultra 120 or Tuniq, etc. kicking ass, it's usually with some sort of high speed fan that would give you a headache in minutes.

The Hyper Tx might also be loud on full tilt (I haven't found a recording of that one yet), but it looks like it does a decent job at lower speeds as well.
June 2, 2007 9:09:04 PM

The HyperTX is very quiet even on full speed. I can't hear it unless the case is open. I think if u put on the same noisy, high speed fans as on the top coolers, it would perfom equally as well.
June 3, 2007 12:00:50 AM

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The HyperTX is very quiet even on full speed. I can't hear it unless the case is open. I think if u put on the same noisy, high speed fans as on the top coolers, it would perfom equally as well.


Yeah, I finally broke down and bought one... just installed it yesterday. I haven't done extensive temperature testing yet, but my first impression is that I'm very pleased with it overall.

I currently have it running full speed using SpeedFan 4.32, which reports the rpm as 1940 - 1961 (a bit higher than the 1800 rated). I've cranked it down to 50% speed and back up to 100% speed and I haven't been able to hear any difference at all (!). When I did that with the stock Intel HSF, there was a quite noticable difference in noise levels.

It looks like the Antec Tri-Cool fans in my P182 case (all 3 set to low) and/or the fan on my 7900 GS are now the loudest things in my case.

Edit: Heh, I just noticed that your rig is very similar to mine...

E6400@3.2 1.32v -|- E6400 currently @2.66 stock volts (was waiting for newHSF to crank it up to 3.2)
CoolerMaster HyperTx -|- same now
MSI P6NSLI Platinum -|- same
2G OCZ R2 Platinum@400 4-4-4-12-1T -|- 2G OCZ S.O.E.(667) currently running @333.3 (1:1) 4-4-4-5-1T but also runs fine @400
XFX 8800GTS xtreme 320 -|- XFX 7900 GS (I'm poor :)  )
...
Ultra Xfinity 500W -|- Xclio GreatPower 550W
CoolerMaster Centurion5 -|- Antec P182

...I also just replaced that little 40mm NB screamer with a 60mm Vantec Stealth fan + 40-60mm adaptor. I used to have the 40mm dialed down to 5v to get the noise under control, but that also cut the cfm way down (somewhere around 3cfm). I can't even hear the Stealth at 12v and it's rated at 12cfm at that speed.

On that setup..

- using the step-down adaptor will certainly add some impedence to the fan's rated cfm, but not enough to offset the gain over the 40mm which was being dialed down to less than half it's original 8cfm.

- the fan adaptor didn't come with screws long enough for the 25mm thick fan, so I ended up zip-tieing it to the adaptor until I can go out and get the right screws.

- the adaptor is probably the same thickness as the old fan (10mm), so you're adding 25mm on top of that and also etending all each side dimension by 10mm (40mmx40mm --> 60mmx60mm). In this particular setup (with the Hyper Tx), it fits nearly perfectly - the Stealth fan butts up against the fan shroud, either not quite touching it, or barely touching it. So close that I was concerned about vibration between the two, but after firing it up I don't hear any at all. Anyway, the point is...

- this arrangement may not work with other (wider) HSFs.
June 3, 2007 1:32:46 AM

Well, that HyperTX HS has made it on my wish list of things.

Prolly look forward in getting that when the time comes.
June 3, 2007 2:27:13 AM

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Eh, it's pretty much just a rebranded Freezer 7 Pro with a plastic shroud. The Freezer 7 tends to be cheaper too.

If you can afford get a Tuniq Tower or Ultra 120, do it. Seriously, they're both MILES ahead of the Freezer 7 and Hyper TX.

Imagine the stock hsf as a fly, the Freezer 7 as a pigeon, the Tuniq Tower and Ultra 120 as supersonic jets, water cooling as a hypersonic jet, cascade coolers, phase change systems, TECs, ect., as the speed of light, and dry ice/LN2 cooling as some crazy space ship capable of FTL travel. Oh, and for reference, no hsf, just the bare chip, as moving backwards, and absolute zero as Warp 10 (infinite speed). Now put all of 'em in a race to the center of the universe.


Lol. I wonder how many people realize that that's an impossible race.
June 6, 2007 2:18:07 PM

I realized that :-). Well im gonna cast my vote for the Ultra 120-Extreme, you just might want to make sure that you have enough room in your case though.

As for the TIM.
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The TIM that comes with the coolers is fine and 1/2C less with another brand is not worth the extra money.


Where did you come up with that?? Listen OP, you will want to get some after market TIM. Its usually less than 10$ shipped for something good. I have seen as much as a 9C drop when someone switched from cheap TIM to high end TIM. So dont believe that other guy, TIM is important.I find AS5 hard to get right. If you put too much on you can cook your CPU. So i would recommend some Shin Etsu TIM.

You can find Shin Etsu and Ultra 120 Extremes in stock at www.petrastechshop.com
November 3, 2007 10:20:32 AM

Here is what I'm getting with the Hyper TX. Max temps are 56 at 3.4ghz and 1.375Vcore. I'm OK with the results

November 3, 2007 12:45:27 PM

What are your core temps at idle? The difference between temperatures at idle and 100% load (Prime 95) gives the best indication of how well the heat sink is working.

Your Q6600 shows exactly the same quirk that mine does: cores 2 and 3 (seem to) run 6 degrees cooler than cores 0 and 1. At first, I thought that the die that held 0 and 1 was poorly mounted and might have heat transfer problems. However, if this had been true, I would have seen the temperature difference increase under full load. This did not happen and actually the 6 degree temperature difference has persisted under the complete range of overclocking conditions.

It has to be an difference in the temperature measurement circuits of the two (supposedly identical) dies. Speedfan author Alfredo can't explain why this is happening. In any case, I just configure an extra 6 degreee offset in speedfan, which evens up the temps and makes testing easier. CoreTemp always shows the temp dif.
November 4, 2007 11:05:04 AM

Anandtech has the most CPU cooler reviews, but I think their temps for their coolers they report are way to low.

47c on a C2E at nearly 4ghz at load! My e4300 gets that temperature at 1.8ghz with a sythe ninja!
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