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May 26, 2007 9:08:51 PM

ISSUE RESOLVED: BUILT A NEW RIG AND DITCHED THE CRIPPLED 690G CHIPSETS

I already installed the drivers from Ati - the 7.4 IGP, Gart, and SB600 Chipset drivers and still, Windows XP Pro 32-bit asks for "Video Controller" drivers.

Did I do something wrong or miss something in the BIOS cause I can't find any such drivers on Biostar's site and even other manufacturer sites.

Also, I'm using BIOS version R69AM516 that I found on some random link on the net - it updated everything as far as I know (even newer than Biostar.com's own BIOS....) and fixed my "BOOT DISK FAILURE..." so..... I'm at a loss at solving yet another problem...

I appreciate any help.
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May 26, 2007 10:19:39 PM

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I already installed the drivers from Ati - the 7.4 IGP, Gart, and SB600 Chipset drivers and still, Windows XP Pro 32-bit asks for "Video Controller" drivers.

Did I do something wrong or miss something in the BIOS cause I can't find any such drivers on Biostar's site and even other manufacturer sites.

Also, I'm using BIOS version R69AM516 that I found on some random link on the net - it updated everything as far as I know (even newer than Biostar.com's own BIOS....) and fixed my "BOOT DISK FAILURE..." so..... I'm at a loss at solving yet another problem...

I appreciate any help.


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Biostar TA690G mATX MB


It is likely your micro atx on board video controller driver is not installed. Try using your MB CD and from Device manager, install the on board video driver.
May 26, 2007 10:29:26 PM

Uh...thats the problem: I can't find it on the MB CD...but I'll look again
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May 26, 2007 10:35:35 PM

The video controller driver may be part of the CHIPSET driver. Why it is not installing is the question. Try from Device Manager with the MB CD.
May 26, 2007 10:40:59 PM

Will do once I reinstall Windows - the build just crashed again. The video went blank and installation of Windows updates ceased (HDD light stopped blinking and I still had like 30 more updates to go). (I just don't like installing outdated drivers and would've thought ATi's drivers would've installed it)

Maybe an update triggered a system error since this driver wasn't installed?

Shouldn't the ATi drivers from the website, however, install the necessary video controller drivers? I know that before installing the ATi drivers, I had two (2) "Video Controller" messages with one saying "VGA" Controller or something next to it. After installing the ATi drivers, the "VGA Controller" problem device disappeared, but the other "video controller" remained.

**I've run Memtest86 to verify RAM stability and ran Super PI 32M, which completed successfully.**
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May 26, 2007 10:41:21 PM

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I already installed the drivers from Ati - the 7.4 IGP


Why? Are you using an ATI video card?
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May 26, 2007 10:43:19 PM

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Wouldn't the ATi drivers from the website, however, install the necessary video controller drivers?


No. Not unless you have one of their chipsets? The 7.4 driver is for an ATI Radeon video card, it's not a chipset driver.
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May 26, 2007 10:45:18 PM

OK. Go on ATI.com site and find the drivers for that chipset (under chipset drivers), not the 7.4 catayst drivers.
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May 26, 2007 10:46:14 PM

Could be. If that is so, that driver should work if you have the chipset on the MB.
May 26, 2007 10:49:51 PM

Yes, I chose the individual packages to avoid CCC. I installed the SB drivers first and then rebooted before installing the GART and Display driver - although I don't think the chipset supports GART but anyway...

**I've actually now done this the 4th time...so perhaps I'm going insane? lol. Anyhow, I plan to just do CD drivers once Windows finishes in 20 minutes... Just too bad the Ebayer from whom I bought the 7950GT did not ship off the card because he assumed his parents did.... (sigh)
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May 26, 2007 10:52:46 PM

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Yes, I chose the individual packages to avoid CCC. I installed the SB drivers first and then rebooted before installing the GART and Display driver - although I don't think the chipset supports GART but anyway...


I downloaded and installed similar chipset drivers from ATI for one of my micros a few weeks ago without incident. Maybe when you get the 7950, the problem will go away :D  .
May 26, 2007 10:55:08 PM

Hopefully; if not, I don't know how I'm gonna get my Senior Project together - I need this up and running by next week Thursday, and I can't work on what I'm gonna demonstrate if I don't have a working computer! :x

Also, I've had problem after problem with this build; I've been working on it since late Thursday to midnight, 3PM yesterday to 2AM today, and since 11AM this morning!!!!
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May 26, 2007 10:57:03 PM

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Hopefully; if not, I don't know how I'm gonna get my Senior Project together - I need this up and running by next week Thursday, and I can't work on what I'm gonna demonstrate if I don't have a working computer! :x


You might try uninstalling the video controller drivers you have now. Then try reinstalling eithr from the MB CD first, or again from the ATI website.
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May 26, 2007 11:02:43 PM

I'm thinking if from Device manager you can delete the current driver for the video controller. (I hope this doesn't permanently wreck getting back into windows). Then reboot. Then from device manager, put the MB CD in and manually install the video controller driver. Or you could just put the MB CD in and run chipset driver setup and installation again.
May 26, 2007 11:07:15 PM

Ya, I'm gonna attempt a full fledge driver installation from only the CD in about 5 minutes after I install Net Framework (oh how I hate that stuff).

Could the other "video controller" I was seeing be the AVIVO stuff that was on the previous links?
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May 26, 2007 11:11:01 PM

I was thinking 'video controller' under Device Manager was you on board video controller. I'm not sure if the vivo program will show up in Device manager. Hopefully by using the MB CD and the chipset driver from there you can solve the problem. I'm wondering what will happen when you install the 7950? The BIOS will pick up the video card and use it as the primary. be interesting to see what becomes of the onboard video controller error in Device Manager.
May 26, 2007 11:15:28 PM

If anything, I'll disable the onboard video via the BIOS. In the past, I have built systems strictly from Nvidia based boards - that made life SOO MUCH EASIER! LOL. I just had to download one package for my dad's 6100 based MB and I was good.

I'll let you know what happens in a couple minutes after I reboot.
May 26, 2007 11:19:29 PM

No luck: I still get the "video controller" with a '!?' mark. Damn.... :x
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May 26, 2007 11:22:21 PM

Maybe the "video controller" is a result of the ATI chipset drivers you installed from ati.com? YYou could go to add/remove programs and remove that 1200/1250 driver, then use the MB driver to reinstall.
May 26, 2007 11:25:39 PM

No, I just reformatted and did another new, fresh installation of Windows and did NOT install drivers from the net before CD driver installation....

**AVIVO codecs did not work either...
May 26, 2007 11:37:57 PM

Can't you use something like Everest, SiSoft Sandra, Fresh Device or any "Unknown Hardware Identifier" <named in general> software?
May 26, 2007 11:53:16 PM

I'm only familiar with Sisoft Sandra - but I don't see what use they will be as I know what MB I have and what drivers I've installed.

Links would be appreciated to Everest as I don't know what it is.
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May 27, 2007 1:30:41 AM

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No, I just reformatted and did another new, fresh installation of Windows and did NOT install drivers from the net before CD driver installation....

**AVIVO codecs did not work either...


Let us know how it goes when you install the 7950. The BIOS will pick up the 7950 and in device manager the card will show up as a "display adapter". You will have to install nvidia driver for the 7950. Perhaps the device manager will straighten itself out once BIOS appropriates a video card from the PCI-E slot.

I currently run three micro boards with onboard video. ASUS P5B-VM DO 965G, , ASUS P5LD2-VM 945G and an Intel D101GGc socket 775. All have onboard video and a primary video card installed in the PCI-E slot. I have no problems with any of them. The Intel is an ATI chipset and I load the Chipset drivers fro the ATI website. Running C2D 6600, 805-D dual core and a 3.0 Pentium. All with the latest drivers, BIOS, etc. I built and maintain them and I run them at work every day.Anyway...wish I could help more.
May 27, 2007 3:37:10 AM

I will; it should come by Wednesday of next week - so I hope. I did manage to play Halo - albiet, the stills were great during the firefights :wink: (I think I had the CCC quality too high, but I will admit, it looked much better than my old FX5700).

As long as this issue won't affect performance, I'll just have to ignore/disable it.

Although this is strange: Under Device Manager, the "Video Controller" I can't install is located on
PCI Slot 7 (PCI bus 1, device 5, function 1); whereas the "Video Controller (VGA Compatible)" that I can install is located on
PCI Slot 7 (PCI bus 1, device 5, function 0)

Only difference being the "function," but the device is the same?
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May 27, 2007 3:57:56 AM

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I will; it should come by Wednesday of next week - so I hope. I did manage to play Halo - albiet, the stills were great during the firefights :wink: (I think I had the CCC quality too high, but I will admit, it looked much better than my old FX5700).

As long as this issue won't affect performance, I'll just have to ignore/disable it.

Although this is strange: Under Device Manager, the "Video Controller" I can't install is located on
PCI Slot 7 (PCI bus 1, device 5, function 1); whereas the "Video Controller (VGA Compatible)" that I can install is located on
PCI Slot 7 (PCI bus 1, device 5, function 0)

Only difference being the "function," but the device is the same?


I was looking over some performance charts pertaining to the 8800 series the other day. The 8800 was at the top of the chart with a score of like 8,356. Then an ATI 1950 with a rating of 7,250. Then a 7600GT with a rating and bar graph out to like 4500. Then ther was an onboard graphics chip listed at the bottom with a 3 :wink:

Yeah, your video chip is working, but showing an error in device manager. I wonder if the system is using the windows xp driver or the chipset driver? Anyway, yeah be sure to let us know how it goes next next week.
May 27, 2007 4:02:14 AM

Ouch - a 3!?! :lol:  I can just imagine the still frames...
May 31, 2007 11:04:25 PM

Well, just my luck: my Lanbox is too SMALL!!! The heatsink on the passive XFX card hits my PSU - just needs an extra inch....

Oh well....

BTW: I'm trying to address if it's a hardware issue or software issue. What is the best method of installing drivers/updates? After a clean format, should I install some antivirus/firewalls and then download Windows automatic updates? Or install (at this moment) unreliable drivers and then update? Thanks
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June 1, 2007 12:01:48 AM

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Well, just my luck: my Lanbox is too SMALL!!! The heatsink on the passive XFX card hits my PSU - just needs an extra inch....

Oh well....

BTW: I'm trying to address if it's a hardware issue or software issue. What is the best method of installing drivers/updates? After a clean format, should I install some antivirus/firewalls and then download Windows automatic updates? Or install (at this moment) unreliable drivers and then update? Thanks


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What is the best method of installing drivers/updates?


After installing windows Os, install the MB drivers from the MB CD. If your have a PCI-E video card , install the video driver. Then go online and get all the Windows security updates, etc. In your case, I would then check the MB mfg. online and see if any system or MB driver updates were available. Hard to say about going on ati.com and loading those chipset drivers...1250? Try the drivers on the MB CD first and see where they get you regarding the onboard video driver problem.
June 1, 2007 2:45:42 AM

Screw it... I ordered another MB from Biostar - the 7050-M2.

I just reformatted again and installed Windows XP SP2 - I updated with the latest display and chipset drivers from the yet to be released 8.38 drivers and did NO updates. Then the BSOD.

I reformatted earlier and installed Windows Server 2003 SP1 - updated drivers directly from disk, downloaded updates from the internet, and had to reinstall drivers from disk. End result: SYSTEM CRASH when running Power Point. (System also crashed under Windows XP SP2)

I've reformatted numerous times, finding links to driver errors between the HD/HDMI audio and the display.

Funny thing: System passes Memtest86 3.3 for over 4 hours; plays Halo for at least 1 hour; passes 3DMark05; and fails in less than 2 minutes in Power Point!!!!

I'm calling it a screwed up MB.
June 1, 2007 2:47:26 AM

Thanks to everybody who replied. Hopefully the new board from Biostar can use the 7950GT, considering that the PCI-E slot looks like it'll be out of my PSU's way... (all is not lost!!! - yet.... :wink: )
June 13, 2007 6:33:11 PM

Its been two weeks and post#1 is still there.

It looks like the WRONG CCC was put in. Shudda been 7.3 from all the readings I've done. There are issues with the HDMI using nVidia products... NO audio.

For XP this is the latest nVid drivers that now include the TForce 7050 and TForce7025

XP 101.17 Driver

Also check the 7950GT card compatibility under certain conditions. Your MoBo shudda detected the card in slot and so should BIOS.

If y'all think this is fun, try VISTA. 8O

f61
June 14, 2007 2:13:27 AM

Thanks for the reply, but I finally got a stable build using the Tforce 7050-PV series. I RMA'd the 690G and said the "hell with this s***." The 7050-PV was HASSLE FREE - got it up and running in no time and the 7950GT kicks a** - well, at least compared to my old FX5700 and even my X800XT that I sold...
June 15, 2007 12:54:09 PM

Hey PC Kid thats cool. I have an unrelated Question: when you put it together, did you notice that theres only one Bridge with heat sink in there for the 7050 and the 630a?... might wanna toss a small fan on it from what I've heard, but no ones tellin me what size to use. Any idea what size fan to use?

TIA
f61
June 15, 2007 2:42:42 PM

I know of the large heatsink located between the CPU and the PCI-E slot (I believe that's the NB heatsink). Are you referring to the SB?

(BTW, I just stuck my hand in my case and at least at idle, the NB heatsink feels cool and there's a decent amount of airflow around it.)

You may use this picture for reference as I have yet to explore any areas of improvement for the MB: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2111
June 15, 2007 3:01:15 PM

Thanks for that link to pcstats... A quick glance revealed the following quotation in that article by C. Sun on Page 1:

"The GeForce 7050PV Northbridge and nForce 630a Southbridge are integrated into a single core logic die. The tiny chipset hardly takes up any space, and only requires a single small aluminum heatsink to keep cool. The GeForce 7050PV gets pretty warm when running so you'll want an exhaust fan in your case to expel hot air. "

This is why I asked... and it IS the way of the future.
f61
June 15, 2007 5:42:24 PM

Ah, maybe I should read through the article next time 8O . Well, the TT Lanbox has two standard 60mm fans and then I installed an additional 60mm fan - with the CPU fan running, its getting pretty good air flow.

If you plan to build a PC with this MB, then I would say go for it. I haven't checked out the full HD Audio aspects, but it all seems to work. I suggest it over the 690G series, just b/c I had so many issues with the 690G.

Also, I did buy some HS's for the MB - performancepc.com has some HS's for the MOSFETs and PLLs (expecting there arrival next week).
June 15, 2007 9:42:27 PM

I'm just wating for a round of price drops and its a done deal. Memory looks like a good price, but I think the CPU and Graphx might drop more.

Please, don't get me started on the 690G. Its not even that, but those MoBo designs are bad, and no o/c worth arguing or yelling about. Its just a crippled design.

I like initiative, this MoBo shows it. It ain't a clean design, but sleeper systems can rock too.

f61
June 16, 2007 11:31:21 PM

I've read that RAM prices will bottom out this month and pick up in July.... I might even buy some notebook RAM for my eventual laptop build in late July if that's true.
June 17, 2007 6:12:15 PM

Well the nice price cut for AMDx2 proc's looks to be on or about 7/9/07. Supposedly about 20% off (thats $35US for the 5600+... might cover shipping! LOL)

f61
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