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May 26, 2007 11:55:22 PM

Hey boys,

Could you lads help me out configuring a really solid system, please? I'm aiming for a new, custombuilt system sometime this June.

Here's my initial thoughts on a new system:

LCD Monitor: ViewSonic 23” WideScreen VP2330WB / VG2230wm

I'm confused about the monitors above.

Check here:

1. ViewSonic Widescreen Graphic Series LCD [VG2230wm]

2. ViewSonic 23" Widescreen LCD Display [VP2330wb]

What's with the huge price difference?

Which monitor should I choose?

I don't paying the big bucks, if monitor 2 is that much better than the first.

Cabinet: Silverstone TJ09 Black

Power Supply Unit: Silverstone Zeus ST85ZF 850W

Cooling (CPU): Scythe Infinity

Cooling (VGA): ?

Motherboard: EVGA nForce 680i SLI

CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor QX6700

Memory: Corsair XMS2 Xtreme Performance TwinX Matched (2 x 1 GB / DUAL RAM / DDR II SDRAM / PC2-6400 CL3 / 800 MHz)

Optical Drives: Samsung SH-S182D

Hard Drives: 1 x WD Raptor WD1500ADFD, 2 x 300 GB other brand

Video Cards: 2 x EVGA e-GeForce 8800 GTX KO ACS3

Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum

Keyboard: Razer Tarantula

Mouse: Razer DeathAdder

OS: Microsoft XP Pro w. Vista License Upgrade (Engelsk version)

Are we there yet?


Cheers,
Bassa

More about : rig advice appreciated

May 27, 2007 12:41:25 AM

thats a nice set up, the only things I would consider are, the board and chipset, look at the p5k asus boards or any bopards with the p35 chipset in them.
That is unless you are set on using sli and two cards, there are a ton of good reads on the difference between running sli and not and I was going to do the same thing but decided not to as I couldnt see any difference unless you are playing at highest resolution and all settings then you will maybe see some benefit, but I would read up on that a little yourself, madonion forums are really good for video advice and tested setups.


The power supply I am unfamilair with, but be sure to get a very good one , I recommend antec, fortron, or zalman and a 650 watt or better would be my advice.

You might consider more ram if you plan to run win vista 64 but otherwise it looks pretty good.

Lump

Heres what I am building, all parts are now in except the case and the gpu:

x6800
evga oc2 8800gtx
asus p5k
4 gigs crucial ballistix pc 8500
x-fi extreme gamers
antec 650 trio
400 gig sata 7200.10 3.0 gbps
16x dual layer dvd/rw
creative inspire 7.1 surround speakers
existing monitor 21" mutlisync fp1370
zalman cpu cooler 9700
dual boot win xp pro - win vista 64
May 27, 2007 12:41:33 AM

Helluva setup you got proposed. VERY nice :)  Can't really knock anything there, well done.

To answer your monitor question......22" LCD are a very nice pricepoint. Jump above those, even 1" or 2" and the prices JUMP ALOT. Resolution also jumps up to 1920 instead of 1680. For the money saved, I'd go with the 22"....I have 2 already ;)  1" extra diagonal won't make a difference. But it's your money. But to answer, no, it's not that much better quality, just slightly bigger, but it's past that threshold I mentioned and that sends you into big-bucks territory.

Good luck, and great setup there.

P.S. Stick with the Silverstone, it'll do just fine. If you want to go hardcore, pick up a PC Power and Cooling. But that's more than fine for what you're showing.

P.P.S. Drop the Scythe Infinity, there are much better solutions. It has a crap mounting system too. Get a Thermalright Ultra 120 (or Extreme if you can find it) and drop in a decent 120mm fan on it to keep that Quad cool. Much better than the Infinity.
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May 27, 2007 1:02:25 AM

GeIL do some DDR2-800 at 3-3-3-9 or ddr2 1066 at 4-4-4-12 if your looking for shithot ram. ive got GeIL memory and its brilliant.

Look at the:

Zalman CNPS9700-NT nVidia Tritium Super Aero Flower Cooler

ITS AWESOME!!

Get some Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste - don''t bother with anything else

You can save money by only have one GTX if you gett a 1650 x 1050 monitor,

But if your going for a 1920 one get 2x GTXs

Maybe invest in a Dell 30" from eBay, they're prettty cheap offof there.

Whats everyone else think?
May 27, 2007 2:02:20 AM

a $1,000 processor? what are you using the computer for?

P35 mobo

no SLI - use a single video card

nice case
a b B Homebuilt system
May 27, 2007 2:25:16 AM

You are aware that the Q6700 will be released on July 22 at around US$ 530, right? A lot of us here on this forum are waiting for that day :p  :p  :p 
May 27, 2007 10:40:40 AM

Quote:
P.P.S. Drop the Scythe Infinity, there are much better solutions. It has a crap mounting system too. Get a Thermalright Ultra 120 (or Extreme if you can find it) and drop in a decent 120mm fan on it to keep that Quad cool. Much better than the Infinity.


This one then?

Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II CL-C0034


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 12:28:06 PM

Alright, some nice ideas and suggestions in here.

Thanks, man. I appreciate it!

I've changed a few specs - check them out.

Monitor:
ViewSonic 22” Widescreen Graphic Series LCD VG2230WM

That monitor is quite possibly just as good as the way more expensive 23" inch alternative I had. But I'd rather save the 500-1000$ difference. My machine will cost a lot in the first case, so I'd prefer to save money where I can.

By the way, I heard that some monitor producers have been making some pretty cool screens these past few months. Anything I should consider before I decide with the ViewSonic above?

Especially Dell and Samsung have come out with some pretty nifty products lately, but are they worth the money, or can I stick with the ViewSonic and rest at ease? :) 

CPU Cooling:
Zalman CNPS 9700 NT + Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Paste

I took JonIsGinger's advice on this. I've no idea if it's that good though, so I'm completely in the blind here.

All I'm looking for is a Highend CPU cooler with as low noise output as possible. Keywords are High Effeciency and Low Noise. Am willing to pay the price.

CPU:
If I can save a lot of money by getting a damn good alternative, I'm all ears.

To nhobo:

I use my box for pretty much everything, but mainly work. I usually work with several heavy applications at a time, when working. These include, but are not limited to, Photoshop CS2, Illustrator CS2, Dreamweaver, MySQL.

Memory:
My initial choice is damn cool, but also very expensive.

I am considering these alternatives:

1. Corsair XMS2 Pro Xtreme Performance TwinX Matched
[4 x 1 GB (2 GB) / DUAL RAM / DDR II SDRAM / PC2-6400 CL4 / 800 MHz]
Price: ~746$

2. G.Skill DDR2 Series F2-6400CL3D-2GBGA
[4 x 1 GB (2 GB) / DUAL RAM / DDR II SDRAM / PC2-6400 CL3 / 800 MHz]
Price: ~632$

3. GeIL Ultra Series DDR2 Dual Channel Kit
[4 x 1 GB (2 GB) / DUAL RAM / DDR II SDRAM / PC2-6400 CL4 / 800 MHz]
Price: ~433$

Ultimately, I really like the G.Skill because of its decent pricing and the CL3 feature.

GeIL is cheapest, but is only CL4.

Which one should I choose? Personally, I'm leaning towards the G.Skill modules. But the question is, will I even notice the difference between a CL3 and a CL4? Will it matter?

Hard Drives:
1 x WD Raptor WD1500ADFD
[150 GB / 10000 rpm / 16 MB / Serial ATA-150 / 4.6 ms / 39 dBA]
Price: ~255$

2 x WD Caviar SE16 WD5000KS
[500 GB / 7200 rpm / 16 MB / Serial ATA-300 / 8.9 ms / 28 dBA / RAID 0]
Price: ~290$

If anyone can come up with some good alternatives to the storage drives, the WD Caviar's, please chime in.

Video Card:
1 x EVGA e-GeForce 8800 GTX KO ACS3

Any new cards coming out real soon that's definitely worth waiting for?

OS:
Windows Vista 64 Bit

Figured I'll need Vista 64 Bit since I went with 4GB Ram instead of the prior 2GB.


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 12:52:32 PM

Yo

That Zalman cooler is the best cooler on the market I've seen

Perhaps, seeing as your getting a GTX, invest in a screen that does 1920*1200, there's a 23" Viewsonic one that does that - exceptional picture quality because the pixels are very small for the size of the screen (round objects look rounder etc)

Because of this, you won't need 4x AA, only 2x AA, so you get higher framerates. Then, at Xmas, sell your 8800GTX and buy a 9800GTX (out at Xmas)

That will set you up for a long time.

OR

Buy an 8800GTS now and accept slightly less than maximum image quality then get a 9800GTX at Xmas. So you'd save $200 or so, but then your card would sell for less at Xmas and vice versa.

Up to you? What does everyone else think?

:?: :?: :?:
May 27, 2007 2:12:48 PM

I was wondering...

If I go with the Windows Vista 64-Bit edition, will I still be able to run software like Dreamweaver, Photoshop CS2, Illustrator CS2 and all other usual programs? (Well, most of them, anyway.)

What about games? Will they run under 64-bit as well?


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 2:15:15 PM

Should do. although some programs will not run

Usually low level ones like Partitioning etc

But most should, I've not had a great amount of experience with x64, only a bit with XPx64, and none with x64 vista.

Get 3Gb or more RAM for x64 vista

Vista also causes about 10/20 FPS less in games :( 
May 27, 2007 2:22:29 PM

Actually, I think I'll get the Vista Ultimate 32-bit edition.

It supports my 4 x 1 GB Ram modules, and I can always upgrade to 64-bit later on if I want to.


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 4:18:59 PM

Looks pretty good. *yawn*

CAS and timings do not matter on an Intel system unless you understand what you are doing. But Intel procs like higher bandwidths instead of tighter timings.

I will use mine as an example:

FSB 271MHz
FSB:RAM Sync
RAM 271MHz

Since I am running my RAM in sync with my FSB, theoretically I have less latency. Another reason I do this is that I can run my RAM at 3-3-3-10 1T and 3-3-3-9 1T for benches. Doing this requires less voltage and gives me the same (if not better) than running it stock speeds and even overclocked speeds. But I would not mess with timings until you have learned more about your BIOS and system in general.
May 27, 2007 4:46:59 PM

You seem to know exactly what you're talking about.

I'm no techie, admittedly.

What modules would you recommend?

The GeIL, or something entirely different?

I will not play with timings or voltage, or anything like that in the BIOS. I'm too ignorant for that, and way too scared up messing things up. :) 


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 4:49:41 PM

Oh, and what's the difference between GeForce 8800 GTX and GeForce 8800 Ultra?


Cheers,
Bassa
a b B Homebuilt system
May 27, 2007 4:54:55 PM

The Ultra is a bit faster and much more expensive. Not worth it.
May 27, 2007 4:56:49 PM

The Geil modules are good, no question. However, if you're not pushing your system or overclock very hard, then just about any decent DDR2-800 RAM will work fine. The G. Skills are good.....look for the ones with the black heat spreaders.....the HZ modules.....they contain Micron D9 chips that overclock like crazy for a good price.

HOWEVER, if you are not planning on overclocking, then get modules that are lower latency (ie-4-4-4-12, or even 3-x-x-x)....those will be better. Then it simply is a question of what fits your budget. To be honest, I think the price difference to go from CL3 to CL4 is insane....the real world difference isn't worth that big price jump.

For CL4, I would take a look at these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And for a real bargain on Micron D9's, seriously consider these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'm assuming you're in the U.S. If so, those shown above are ALOT cheaper that what you're quoting for some reason.
May 27, 2007 5:05:14 PM

I'm in Denmark, Scandinavia.

Prices are higher here than in the US - for obvious reasons.

I don't overclock. I might up the FSB in the BIOS a little bit, but nothing else, really.


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 5:07:02 PM

Well that makes sense. Ok, look at some of those I listed and see if you can find them over there, and what prices they might be. If you can't, then I'd go with the Geil, they'll do just fine.
May 27, 2007 5:14:36 PM

Quote:
You seem to know exactly what you're talking about.


Phhht! Please! Skyguy has no idea what the hell he is talking about. He sits on his computer with Wikipedia up in a window right next to Tom's and just copies and pastes from there and tries to pass it off as his own. He may sound smart, but in reality he is a semi-retarded, 400lb, crackhead with a cleft lip.
May 27, 2007 5:19:05 PM

LMAO, good thing I appreciate your sense of humor or else I might be offended ;) 

8)

Please, it's 425 lbs, get it right. 400 lbs was before the buffet last night, and the bucket of fried chicken at 3am this morning. Get it right man!!!

:roll:


More like 190. ;) 
May 27, 2007 5:29:10 PM

Quote:
You seem to know exactly what you're talking about.


Phhht! Please! Skyguy has no idea what the hell he is talking about. He sits on his computer with Wikipedia up in a window right next to Tom's and just copies and pastes from there and tries to pass it off as his own. He may sound smart, but in reality he is a semi-retarded, 400lb, crackhead with a cleft lip.

It was actually you I was talking to.


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 5:30:14 PM

Phhhht! Hahaha! I burnt out a 2800+ last night. It meeeeeelted. Hahahaha! 1.7v and then removed the HSF. It is melted to the board. I tried to put som lighter fluid on it to cool it off but I don't think it worked very well... DIE AMD! DIE! DIE! DIE! :twisted:
May 27, 2007 5:30:30 PM

I went with:

Crucial Ballistix
4 x 1 GB (2 GB) / DUAL RAM / DDR II SDRAM / PC2-6400CL4 / 800 MHz
Best Price = 2.326,00 DKR. = 387$.


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 5:57:44 PM

4GB? Nice. And yeah, you could say I know what I am talking about lol.
May 27, 2007 6:11:33 PM

I think I'm nearing completion.

Rig looks like this:



Monitor:
ViewSonic 22” Widescreen Graphic Series LCD VG2230WM

Cabinet:
Silverstone TJ09 Black

Power Supply Unit:
Silverstone Zeus ST85ZF 850W

Cooling (CPU):
Zalman CNPS 9700 NT

Motherboard:
EVGA nForce 680i SLI

CPU:
Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor QX6700

Memory:
Crucial Ballistix
[4 x 1 GB (2 GB) / DUAL RAM / DDR II SDRAM / PC2-6400CL4 / 800 MHz]

Optical Drives:
Samsung SH-S182D

Hard Drives:
1 x WD Raptor WD1500ADFD 150 GB
[150 GB / 10000 RPM / 16 MB / Serial ATA 150 4.6 ms]

2 x WD Caviar SE16 WD5000KS
[500 GB / 7200 rpm / 16 MB / Serial ATA-300 / 8.9 ms / 28 dBA / RAID 0]

Video Card:
1 x EVGA e-GeForce 8800 GTX KO ACS3

Sound Card:
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS

Keyboard:
Razer Tarantula

Mouse:
Razer DeathAdder

OS:
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit



Am I good to go?


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 6:14:43 PM

Quote:
Hey boys,

Could you lads help me out configuring a really solid system, please? I'm aiming for a new, custombuilt system sometime this June.

Here's my initial thoughts on a new system:

LCD Monitor: ViewSonic 23” WideScreen VP2330WB / VG2230wm

I'm confused about the monitors above.

Check here:

1. ViewSonic Widescreen Graphic Series LCD [VG2230wm]

2. ViewSonic 23" Widescreen LCD Display [VP2330wb]

What's with the huge price difference?

Which monitor should I choose?

I don't paying the big bucks, if monitor 2 is that much better than the first.

Cabinet: Silverstone TJ09 Black

Power Supply Unit: Silverstone Zeus ST85ZF 850W

Cooling (CPU): Scythe Infinity

Cooling (VGA): ?

Motherboard: EVGA nForce 680i SLI

CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor QX6700

Memory: Corsair XMS2 Xtreme Performance TwinX Matched (2 x 1 GB / DUAL RAM / DDR II SDRAM / PC2-6400 CL3 / 800 MHz)

Optical Drives: Samsung SH-S182D

Hard Drives: 1 x WD Raptor WD1500ADFD, 2 x 300 GB other brand

Video Cards: 2 x EVGA e-GeForce 8800 GTX KO ACS3

Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum

Keyboard: Razer Tarantula

Mouse: Razer DeathAdder

OS: Microsoft XP Pro w. Vista License Upgrade (Engelsk version)

Are we there yet?


Cheers,
Bassa


it is nice but really expensive. if i were you , i would cut many different area to save cost. It is not necessary if you are one rich person. For the majority of people , i would say it is a bloated system.
May 27, 2007 6:25:27 PM

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
Gigabyte DS4-P35
Crucial Ballistix 2GB PC2-6400
EVGA GeForce 8800GTX
Western Digital Raptor 150
Seagate Barracuda 16MB 250GB (x4)
Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Extreme Gamer
PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad
Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme

The QX6700 is completely overkill for your system. The Q6600 will be more than enough and $500 cheaper.

The Ballistix will have D9 chips and are much better than the Corsair RAM.

The 680i LT chipsets will support Penryn and 1333MHz FSB.

Four 'Cuda 250GB will give you the same storage space as two 500GBs but will be much faster in RAID.

Getting a KO card is just dumb. Overclock it yourself and save a few bucks.

The Fatal1ty is overkill unless you have incredible speakers. The Extreme Gamer would be plenty.

The PC Power & Cooling PSU will out-power that Zues even though it is rated at 100W less.

The TR 120 Ultra eXtreme is the best air cooler available.
May 27, 2007 6:34:42 PM

High efficientcy and low noise. You have a couple of options. Either buy the thermalright ultra 120 and use a noctua NF-S1 fan. Or get the Noctua NH-U12F that comes with its own fan.

Thermalright and Noctua are neck in neck right up into the more extreme overclocking, thats where the ultra 120 takes the cake.

Your best option would be a ultra 120 and a noctua fan. The ultra 120 costs ~50 and the noctua fans cost ~20. You will not get better performance than that at a nearly inaudible 17 dbA's. However, if you want to save a few dollars, get the Noctua HS as it is a complete package with a famous reputation for qaulity, easy installation, and quietness. With that case you'll be able to fit either heatsink without an issues.

These should be your only two picks in regards to cooling your CPU, the Zalman will be louder and not perform as well as a Ultra 120 paired with a noctua NF-S12 fan. The icing on the cake is you will be able to buy both for about the same cost as the zalman!

The jump in price is the difference in resolution. You get 2,304,000 pixels with the 23" as opposed to only 1,764,000 for the 22", a net gain of 540,000 pixels or 23%. For what you see and will be able to fit on your screen, you would need to get a screen 23% larger to view the same content as you would from a smaller, but more pixel dense screen.

End result? The 23" while only 1" "bigger" actually gives a gain of 23% more screen space than the 22". It is incorrect to say the 1" gain is small, since the increased rresolution is quite large.


My 2 cents.
May 27, 2007 6:39:53 PM

Quote:
The QX6700 is completely overkill for your system. The Q6600 will be more than enough and $500 cheaper.


I took the QX6700 to ensure that I have a highend CPU that will work well with everything for the next 3-5 years. Future ready.

Quote:
The Ballistix will have D9 chips and are much better than the Corsair RAM.


Yes. I took the Ballistix modules, as stated above.

Quote:
The 680i LT chipsets will support Penryn and 1333MHz FSB.


I don't need that support, I believe.

Quote:
Getting a KO card is just dumb. Overclock it yourself and save a few bucks.


Ok.

Quote:
The Fatal1ty is overkill unless you have incredible speakers. The Extreme Gamer would be plenty.


I have incredible speakers. 8)

Quote:
The TR 120 Ultra eXtreme is the best air cooler available.


What is an air cooler system? Is it a set of fans to be mounted in the case, or are you talking about a CPU cooler instead of my Zalman choice?


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 6:42:20 PM

Good points. I swear by my Noctua fans. Paired with a Thermalright, you'll get a very cool and quiet cooling solution.

23" vs 22"....very true. My comment about "not too much" in increase was based on size, not resolution......though I did point out about resolution and the resulting big price jump. That threshold is right there, so for a 1" difference in size you get the jump in rez.....but then that requires also a jump to a GTX, not a GTS in my opinion. 1920+ rez you should really have a GTX. 1680- rez a GTS is fine. Creates a domino effect of horsepower changes.

But I like Proof's list. Not cheap, but very good.
May 27, 2007 6:53:15 PM

Quote:
High efficientcy and low noise. You have a couple of options. Either buy the thermalright ultra 120 and use a noctua NF-S1 fan. Or get the Noctua NH-U12F that comes with its own fan.

Thermalright and Noctua are neck in neck right up into the more extreme overclocking, thats where the ultra 120 takes the cake.

Your best option would be a ultra 120 and a noctua fan. The ultra 120 costs ~50 and the noctua fans cost ~20. You will not get better performance than that at a nearly inaudible 17 dbA's. However, if you want to save a few dollars, get the Noctua HS as it is a complete package with a famous reputation for qaulity, easy installation, and quietness. With that case you'll be able to fit either heatsink without an issues.

These should be your only two picks in regards to cooling your CPU, the Zalman will be louder and not perform as well as a Ultra 120 paired with a noctua NF-S12 fan. The icing on the cake is you will be able to buy both for about the same cost as the zalman!

The jump in price is the difference in resolution. You get 2,304,000 pixels with the 23" as opposed to only 1,764,000 for the 22", a net gain of 540,000 pixels or 23%. For what you see and will be able to fit on your screen, you would need to get a screen 23% larger to view the same content as you would from a smaller, but more pixel dense screen.

End result? The 23" while only 1" "bigger" actually gives a gain of 23% more screen space than the 22". It is incorrect to say the 1" gain is small, since the increased rresolution is quite large.


My 2 cents.


You are talking about this fan:

Noctua NF-S12-1200?


Cheers,
Bassa
May 27, 2007 6:55:26 PM

Quote:
But I like Proof's list. Not cheap, but very good.


...duh! :lol: 

SPEND MONEY FTW!
May 27, 2007 7:00:29 PM

yes, thats them. I forgot there was an older 800rpm model. You want the one you referenced.
May 27, 2007 7:04:12 PM

Nice choice for monitor. Looks to use a samsung panel, so you will be happy with it.
May 27, 2007 7:05:32 PM

Yep, that's the fan.
May 27, 2007 7:28:22 PM

I'm just slightly concerned that a single 8800 GTX may end in trouble with a resolution of 1920 x 1200 in high end games with max settings.


Cheers,
Bassa
a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 27, 2007 7:35:29 PM

A higher quality monitor will have a higher contrast ratio, like 1000:1. This gives you whiter whites, instead of a bit grey looking. Also, a better monitor will give you a better viewing angle like 178V and 178h, instead of 160 degrees. This means that you don't have to hold your head in just the right horizontal and/or vertical position to not get a washed out display. If samsung makes the viewsonic panels, why not consider going to the source? The Samsung 244T sells for about the same price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... I use one, and am very pleased. There may be other differences, though, particularly for fast action games which I am no expert on.
a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 27, 2007 7:37:52 PM

Try just one 8800gtx, with a sli board. If you feel it is lacking, it is very easy to add another.
May 27, 2007 8:20:06 PM

Quote:
I'm just slightly concerned that a single 8800 GTX may end in trouble with a resolution of 1920 x 1200 in high end games with max settings.


Cheers,
Bassa


hahaha! No, a single GTX will do just fine at that res.
May 28, 2007 1:30:17 AM

Actually the performance in some cases is better or the same as with 1680x1050 because when you get to 1920x1200 you are not as cpu bound. Reviews often show this when benchmarking in low res, often the max fps is quite low, to the extent higher res dramatically improve fps. There wont be a performance hit going to 1920x1200, even if there is you will be able to disable AA without a dramatic loss in picture quality. Thus you'll get a longer/equal life out of your gfx than with lower res monitor.

Take some time picking out a monitor, check reviews and gain some perspective. Its the only thing you'll be dealing with directly in your new computer, and thus it is the most important decision you make. I don't own a 24" panel, but google will impart knowledge i cannot. Time is the key
here, no need to rush anything. For a recommendation I would buy it at a store in person, just in case you have any issues that you can resolve quickly. It would be worth the extra money IMHO.
Cheers
May 28, 2007 11:04:31 AM

God damn it's hard to find an exceptional 22-24" LCD Display these days! 8O

But anyway, I've been scouring the web for reviews and thoughts on the latest development, as well as LCD pricing and quality.

I've found a smaller range of high-quality LCD's, check out this list below:

SyncMaster 24" 245B

Samsung SyncMaster 24" 244T

ViewSonic 24" Widescreen VX2435wm

Eizo ColorEdge 24" CE240W

Dell UltraSharp 24" 2407WFP

I'm very keen on the Samsung 244T Display, but still also in doubt.

The Eizo is supposedly the best LCD Display for fast gaming, but it comes at a very steep price.

Dell Ultrasharp is also supposedly a very good Display.

Anyone has some thoughts on this?

Anyone own any of these LCD's, and would like to add a comment or two?


Cheers,
Bassa
May 28, 2007 12:07:19 PM

The Dell monitors are top of the line. We each have dual 22" Dell HD LCD monitors at work and I don't want to leave. They are just amazing.
May 28, 2007 1:02:57 PM

Quote:
The Dell monitors are top of the line. We each have dual 22" Dell HD LCD monitors at work and I don't want to leave. They are just amazing.


Cool. What do you work with?Graphics and imaging, word-documents, etc.?

Oh, and have you tried it playing different types of games, such as FPS, RTS and RPG games?

If yes, how intense is the ghosting on those displays?


Cheers,
Bassa
a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 28, 2007 3:11:12 PM

I originally had two IBM P275 21" monitors. They were as good as it gets for a crt. I used the main one for games, and web surfing, and the other one kept e-mail open along with any other stuff such as task manager or other performance info. They were quite large, and I decided to go to lcd and bought a Samsung 244T to replace the main P275. I was delighted. Unfortunately, a side by side comparison made the previously excellent IBM P275 crt look poor by comparison. There was no question that the text was not as crisp. I ordered a samsung 19" lcd monitor(940?). When I set it up alongside the 244T I found that I could not get the background colors to match, and the text sizes were different. I have a spanned desktop, so it mattered. I also found that the viewing angle was inferior, and the whites were dingy. By itself, it was a great monitor, but it was clearly not as good as the 244T. Knowing that I would keep a monitor for a long time, I returned it to Newegg(at no charge) and replaced it with a second 244T. The extra cost stung for a while, but in retrospect, it was one of the best PC upgrades I have ever done. They are both driven by a single 8800gts/640 at native resolution with no problems. I see no ghosting problems, but then I play more strategy games than first person shooters. Civ-4 at maximum graphics runs just fine.
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May 28, 2007 3:47:34 PM

Cool. Sounds good, geofelt. Thanks for the info.

I think I'll cruise through downtown tomorrow and see if the shop's got a 244T for showcase.

I'd prefer to get a first-hand look at my new monitor, but it's kinda hard since none of the shops sell many high-end LCD's, I guess.


Cheers,
Bassa
May 28, 2007 4:56:02 PM

Dude

You are spending allot of cash what is your prerogative but can I just bring to your attention that over the next few months there’s talk that Intel release their new chipset and DDR2 memory will evolve into the new DDR3 type while the graphic cards are going to become PCI-E x 2.

I like you desire the EVGA 680i and 8800GTX's plus much ram but I just cant bare the thought of buying a new computer for it to be outdated in less than 3 months, I understand all technology will be outdated sooner or later but without the new chipset on the new generation of motherboard you wont be able to use DDR3 what has been suggested to run close to 2000fsb and the new PCI-E x 2 graphic cards.

Toms Hardware Guide <> Intel Intros 3-Series Chipsets with FSB1333 and DDR3
May 28, 2007 7:33:50 PM

The only problem with ddr3 is that its latency's are so high ddr2 out performs it atm. All he would need to do was upgrade the mobo in a year or two when ddr3 became affordable and fast. Think back to when ddr2 came out, its been around for some time now and just now is affordable. He can pretty easily get away without getting ddr3 stuff since it would be a while before he'd feel the pinch to get it.

Then again, there's always that price drop for quads on july 22 he could wait for, then the 8900 released after that, not to mention pereyn and then theres the 9800 next year...

You did make this point, but ddr2 vs ddr3 wont be as bad as agp vs pcie where it really mattered alot for futureproofing. He will be fine with ddr2 mobos for some time now.
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