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New build: 680i, p35 or X38?

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May 27, 2007 1:32:26 AM

Im finally going for it!

Mobo : Evga 680i
CPU : E6600
Memory : Crucial Ballistix Dual Channel 2048MB PC8000 DDR2 1000MHz Memory (2 x 1024MB)
Video: EVGA 8800 GTX
Sound: X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty
Case: Antec P182
PSU: OCZ GameXstream 700
Heatsink: Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme
HDD: 1x Raptor 150 and 1 x Seagate 500 gb 7200.10

This is a gaming machine and I plan on overclocking it to the max.

I have a couple of questions:

Since I don’t want to do SLI, should I go for a p35 board instead of a 680i? If so, any specific board recommended? Will the 680i support the intel Penryn processors? I heard the X38 will only support DDR3, is that true?

I’m a little confused about all the different brands of X-fi sound cards. I don’t need the front plate or remote control. I heard some cards come with x-ram which is supposed to save a couple fps. Is it worth it?

Since im going with the P182, are the cables from the PSU i picked long enough to reach the main power on the mobo?

Also, im looking for a good 120mm fan to go with the Ultra 120. What do you guys recommend? Noctua? SilentX?

Speaking of fans, are the ones that come with the p182 loud? Should I replace them?

Finally, should I go with the ballistix pc6400 instead of the pc8000? What about the pc8500? Remember that I want to overclock the max I can.

That’s about it.

Thanks in advance for your input,

Jp

More about : build 680i p35 x38

May 27, 2007 6:59:30 AM

"Since I don’t want to do SLI, should I go for a p35 board instead of a 680i? "

yes, imo

"If so, any specific board recommended?"

I bought the asus p5k, just felt comfortable after reading a prelimainary review and years of asus boards, my p4p800e deluxe was a beast and my favorite to date.

"I heard the X38 will only support DDR3, is that true?"

not sure, the p5k(p35) series has a board, the deluxe I believe that is ddr3, the p5k is ddr2 only, they dont have a ddr2/3 board in the asus line that I am aware of, however I think the gigabyte board does support both.

"I’m a little confused about all the different brands of X-fi sound cards."

I went to creative site, looked up the x-fi line, then the specs, then I compared them, decided the extreme gamer card was for me but I didnt need a front plate or remote etc... so i bought the plain x-fi extreme gamers card, I think when you see the specs for the lot of them, you will be able to pick the one you want, realize the specs match, the sound should match, imo no expert here, just going by past experience and common sense.


"What about the pc8500? Remember that I want to overclock the max I can."

well im told you dont need to go more than pc800, I went with the pc8500 since memory is so cheap right now I bougth 4 gigs too, from all ive read though with cas latencies being better in the 800 or 6400? or the ability to run in 1:1 being optimal the 8500 may just be for experimenting and headroom, i just figured at that price memory wasnt going to be my limiting factor if I want to OC.



Good luck,
Lump
May 27, 2007 7:39:37 AM

I'd go with a P35 DDR2 board and skip the P182 case. Traditional case layouts are better.
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May 27, 2007 5:23:07 PM

Thanks for the input, keep it coming!
May 27, 2007 5:48:17 PM

Hey, I have an Antec P182 case with a Enermax Liberty PSU. The main power cable for your power supply will be long enough, that isn't something you need to worry about. There are 3 120mm fans on the P182 and they are all pretty quiet. They all come with fan speed controllers so i wouldn't recommend replacing them as they are really good already. I've read some review on the p5k deluxe motherboard and it has been over clocking quite well so I would say the P5K deluxe is your best option.
May 27, 2007 5:55:44 PM

Also the wiring on the P182 is a little annoying because you have to route all the wires from the PSU out of a little slot near the bottom but its not that much of a problem as long as your willing to put some time into it.
May 27, 2007 7:58:14 PM

Quote:
This is a gaming machine and I plan on overclocking it to the max.

I have a couple of questions:

Since I don’t want to do SLI, should I go for a p35 board instead of a 680i? If so, any specific board recommended? Will the 680i support the intel Penryn processors? I heard the X38 will only support DDR3, is that true?

Nobody knows yet if the 680i will support Penryn. It will certainly support the 1333FSB of Penryn but the VRM is still unknown. My guess is it's likely that it will with a BIOS update, but the key word is "guess". I also heard the X38 will only support DDR3, where the P35 supports DDR2 and DDR3, and the motherboard maker can configure the board to support either or both standards, although I read they are limited to 2 GB DDR2 and 2 GB DDR3 if they choose to support both. Any P35 board should support Penryn.

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Also, im looking for a good 120mm fan to go with the Ultra 120. What do you guys recommend? Noctua? SilentX?

Personally, I don't like SilenX. This Noctua is a good choice, as are the Scythe S-Flex series. Here a link to the Scythe fan I use with the U120-X. At the time, the Scythe were cheaper than the Noctuas, I'd probably go for the Noctua today based on price, either will work fine.

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Finally, should I go with the ballistix pc6400 instead of the pc8000? What about the pc8500? Remember that I want to overclock the max I can.
You can get to 3.6 GHz with the E6600 with PC6400 (DDR2-800) before you even start to OC the RAM. The Ballistix will overclock decently past that as well. I really doubt you'll be able to exceed the PC6400 RAM's capability with air cooling on a 6600, so I'd get it.
May 27, 2007 8:30:50 PM

1200MHz data rate? I can easily to that with Crucial Ballistix PC2-6400!
May 27, 2007 8:44:56 PM

If you decide to go P35, DO NOT choose an ASUS board since they can melt anytime (means: theyre dang hot). Go for GigaByte cause these run up to 50°C cooler at the hotspots (not joking, no misspelling, I said 50).
May 27, 2007 8:58:01 PM

o rly?
May 27, 2007 9:46:28 PM

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1200mhz? A 400mhz ram oc? That's a bit unlikely

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/21/overclocking-9-v...

OCZ has always gotten high speeds by using excessive voltage, even for their lower-priced kits. In fact their slowest "performance" memory is composed of cheap/slow parts rated at excessive voltage, and going up the line their best stuff is composed of good parts rated at excessive voltage.
May 27, 2007 10:26:38 PM

YCON,
you said:

If you decide to go P35, DO NOT choose an ASUS board since they can melt anytime (means: theyre dang hot). Go for GigaByte cause these run up to 50°C cooler at the hotspots (not joking, no misspelling, I said 50).

source please? and explanation, I hadnt heard this at all and since these boards are barely out it is hard to find more than a few solo reviews, just wondering where you got that info from.

Lump
June 1, 2007 11:35:34 PM

The X38 will be a DDR2/DDR3 beast according to Fudzilla atleast.. Fudzilla

Similarly if you go to Gigabytes site check out the GA-P35-DQ6 and GA-P35T-DQ6. The only difference is DDR2/DDR3 so Fudzilla seems right..

And if its the limit you want..
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Additionally, this slide indicates that Intel will be REMOVING the overclocking protection from the chipset and this should allow tweakers to really push Intel's core logic and CPUs to the limits.
Source

Oh and i did some searching...

P35 - 90nm - Not really much new.. - 1333FSBX38 - 65/90nm?! - PCI-Express 2.0 - 2x16 Crossfire - New overclock unlock - Guaranteed Penryn support680i - 90nm - Rumoured to run the hottest - Getting on a bit - 2x16 SLIRD790 - 65/90nm?! - Probably a few months wait - 2x16 or 4x8 Crossfire 8O
If the X38 is 65nm it should be significantly cooler and be very overclockable if done well. Same goes for the RD790. The down side is when launched it will probably cost a bomb...

Personally im going to wait and see what the next round of Nvidia v ATIAMD v Intel brings :) 
June 4, 2007 12:30:05 AM

I believe that the new motherboards and chipsets were supposed to support 45nm and the current 65nm, not 90/65. Am I wrong in this?

So the suggestions are wait for the new boards? I am in the same boat and am waiting for the new chipset release this summer. I was thinking of waiting for the x38, but does anyone have a clue when it will actually release?
June 4, 2007 12:58:14 AM

Hi sorry i was referring to the process that the actual chipset was manufactured on.

In terms of support the only thing i can say for sure if X38 WILL support the 45nm Penryns yes. The P35's may do also but not sure on that one.

According to the link i posted before the P35 is only a mainstream chipset, so it may well pay to wait.

It shouldnt be that long either, X38 boards are being shown at the Computex show apparently which starts in a day or so.

Something else i have learned is that the X38 will be the first board to support Crossfire in 2x16 lanes. Rather than 2x8 or 1x8/16 + 1x4.

Unless the new AMD processors wipe the floor i think il go for the X38 boards and take a Penyrn and OC the hell outta it :D 
June 4, 2007 1:02:08 AM

The p35 will support the new chip (from the link last posted and it said the same on the other p35 Mb in the P5k line)

LGA775 Intel® Quad-core Processor Ready
This motherboard supports the latest Intel® Quad-core processors in LGA775 package. It also can support Intel® next generation 45nm Multi-Core CPU. It´s excellent for multi-tasking, multi-media and enthusiastic gamers with 1333/1066/800 MHz FSB. Intel® Quad-core is one of the most powerful CPU in the world
June 4, 2007 1:06:25 AM

Yep i did mean the actual northbridge :) 

Well thats cool, so only reasons to wait for the X38 are PCI-E 2.0, 2x16 Crossfire, and this new chipset unlock thing for 'extreme' overclocking.

Anybody know of any more X38 suprises? Like the Northbridge process or anything else new :?:
June 4, 2007 1:12:16 AM

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Yep i did mean the actual northbridge :) 

Well thats cool, so only reasons to wait for the X38 are PCI-E 2.0, 2x16 Crossfire, and this new chipset unlock thing for 'extreme' overclocking.

Anybody know of any more X38 suprises? Like the Northbridge process or anything else new :?:



Sorry man

and as for the X38's all I can say is taco a little help I haven't heard much more then what you (aron) listed.
June 4, 2007 1:20:10 AM

Id prefer a heatsink thats up to the F***ing job ;) 
June 4, 2007 1:21:53 AM

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hmm, there's a .0001% chance intel will give you a free fish with every 45nm core 2 duo processor?:p 


LOL
Don't thay give you a free HS that is no good to most of us
June 4, 2007 1:22:44 AM

D@m your fast 8O
June 4, 2007 1:26:52 AM

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hmm, there's a .0001% chance intel will give you a free fish with every 45nm core 2 duo processor?:p 


LOL
Don't thay give you a free HS that is no good to most of us
true, though the ihs does have some use

Paperweight? :lol: 
June 4, 2007 1:28:03 AM

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hmm, there's a .0001% chance intel will give you a free fish with every 45nm core 2 duo processor?:p 


LOL
Don't thay give you a free HS that is no good to most of us
true, though the ihs does have some use

Paperweight? :lol: 

LOL
throw at roommate when he needs to do the dishes
June 4, 2007 1:33:14 AM

LOL, or that..

Im guessing its still a 90nm Northbridge because of this..

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=5009

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It seems like Intel X38 Express chipset has a heatspeader on it and according to motherboard makers, it runs pretty hot when running dual graphics cards in x16/x16 mode. It runs up to more than 60 degrees in this case. However, motherboard makers will be designing fancy heatpipes for this board so there isn't too much a worry about heat. We will be seeing quite a number of X38 boards at Computex and there will be some designs that supports Intel Turbo Memory.
June 4, 2007 1:34:56 AM

60 degrees so how hot will ASUS NB be????
June 4, 2007 1:38:53 AM

That surface computing thing looks sweet!

Chip should be on par (heatwise) with current designs i guess :S

Really the only way to see is wait until after Computex, reviewers should get some boards, things always seem to leak now :) 
June 4, 2007 1:40:49 AM

when is Computex (date or time of year) :?:
June 4, 2007 1:44:09 AM

Opens this Tuesday (5th) :) 
June 4, 2007 3:57:08 AM

just thought I would mention after about a week of 24/7 running and operating, loading testing, gaming, etc.. my temps are 80F mobo and 84F cpu.
The poster who was saying these asus boards running hot I think may have had his own issues with heat unresolved.

I have only basic air cooling and a zalman 9700, thermaltake case has a side fan and 4 others including top venting, and this thing remains cool.
also it is overclocked ever so slightly all this time as well.

Lump
June 4, 2007 3:59:39 AM

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just thought I would mention after about a week of 24/7 running and operating, loading testing, gaming, etc.. my temps are 80F mobo and 84F cpu.
The poster who was saying these asus boards running hot I think may have had his own issues with heat unresolved.

I have only basic air cooling and a zalman 9700, thermaltake case has a side fan and 4 others including top venting, and this thing remains cool.
also it is overclocked ever so slightly all this time as well.

Lump


I run ASUS and have never had a proplem.

hay lump did you see that link i posted for you?????
June 4, 2007 12:24:33 PM

SLi = 680i
Crossfire = P35

The faster of the two is by far the P35. Most Intel chipsets support Crossfire and are usually the fastest in synthetic benchmarks. If there is a god, the X38 will support SLi and Intel will become the most powerful corporation in the world :lol:  . The P35 boards overclock ridiculously well. However, DDR3 is worthless right now. The timings really limit the effectiveness of its higher frequencies. DDR2 is the best choice ATM and will continue to be until DDR3 can reach much tighter timings. Right now I would buy a Gigabyte DS4 if I were to purchase a P35 board.
June 4, 2007 8:33:06 PM

Did everyone see my latest review?
June 5, 2007 6:38:41 PM

Nice find
June 5, 2007 8:07:03 PM

Yeah, I am freaking psyched for the X38. Too bad no SLi support. I will most likely be going Bontrail, Wolfdale, and 8950GX2. How do you guys think the 8950GX2 will perform comparred to a single 8900GTX?
June 5, 2007 9:03:13 PM

I am not going to run SLi after I get my X38. Just a single card. I will wait to see the tests for the 8900GTX vs 8950GX2. I will probably spring for the GX2 anyway though.
June 5, 2007 10:00:35 PM

Damn am I psyched to get my Bonetrail, Wolfdale, DDR3, and 8950GX2!!!
June 5, 2007 10:17:00 PM

Hopefully not even that... :lol: 

I have no idea what I will have the ability to aquire. I am not THAT important... yet :twisted:
June 5, 2007 10:22:46 PM

Hahaha! Yeah, I can only hope...
June 5, 2007 10:24:21 PM

WOOT! 550FSB ON THE 650i Ultra! Should I go for 600?
June 5, 2007 11:03:15 PM

"Dump the e6600. Its been has been sucking for a while now. Go with either the e6850 because it has a better core revision that scales higher and runs cooler, or go with the xeon 3060, both are better bin wise and performance wise."



Where is he going to get an e6850? Those great prices are for the end of July right? Otherwise your advice is spot on.
June 5, 2007 11:14:22 PM

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650i? I thought you had a 680i board :?

If your board can do 600, go for it, just be sure to cool the northbridge well


I have the Infinity Dark 650i Ultra on the test bench yet.
June 5, 2007 11:15:23 PM

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[quote="Dump the e6600. Its been has been sucking for a while now. Go with either the e6850 because it has a better core revision that scales higher and runs cooler, or go with the xeon 3060, both are better bin wise and performance wise
:


Where is he going to get an e6850? Those great prices are for the end of July right? Otherwise your advice is spot on.[/quote]

Hahahaha! I will sell you my E6750 ES for... never mind.
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