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X850XT to 1900GT or 7900GS. Not worth it?

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May 27, 2007 11:49:12 PM

I've been thinking about upgrading my X850XT for a while now... and I was going to get the X1950XT from Sapphire for $170 but something newer costs came up and I'm rethinking my stance.

I decided to look at some other, cheaper options but I'm not sure they're good options.

The first is a BFG 7900GS for $100.
http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4970851

The second is a Connect3D 1900GT for $114.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

But going by the specs, they're not that impressive. I would love to have the 2x DVI (current I'm stuck with one DVI and one VGA) ports and the fact that they both have SM3 but performance wise, I'm not so sure.

What do you guys think, should I upgrade or just wait and save up for the X1950XT?
May 28, 2007 12:46:30 AM

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The 7900GS is your better option. But you need to make sure your PSU has the power to support the upgrade.


Considering that his current video card uses more power than the 7900GS, I don't think this is an issue.
May 28, 2007 2:47:55 AM

I don't think power will be an issue... using some online calculators, I'm using less then 400 watts at the moment. And I have about 35A on my +12V rail.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 28, 2007 9:08:27 AM

Hi i upgraded a pc recently and went fron a x800xl to a x1650xt,the only real diff i got was in quality sm3/hddr features.
If you are wanting to see a nice performance fps wise increase then i would wait untill you can get the x1950xt

Seems like you know which one you want but cant quite justify the cost which is understandable,its all about bang for the buck at the end of the day right! :wink:

Any way thats my view on it,but you can never read enough reviews buy some pc mags and make sure you know the differences yourself then make a choice.
Good luck
Mactronix
May 28, 2007 10:43:08 AM

if it were me then i would wait until you have the money to save for the x1950xt, even though people say it runs hot i still think it would be a beast. your x850xt would only be 256mb right? the 512 on the x1950 could come in handy for some of the newer games or if u prefer higher resolutions.
May 28, 2007 2:46:29 PM

Depends what you play and what you plan to play, and what resolution you plan to play at...

If you want much higher resolutions with some AA, the X1950 XT is worth it.
If you just want a speed bump and maybe a little more AA, the X1900 GT and 7900 GS would serve you well.
An X1900 GT or 7900 GS would both be very big upgrades over the X800 XT in certain titles, especially newer titles.

I'd add that I might pick the X1900 GT over the 7900 GS for newer titles, even though it's a few bucks more it's a stronger card when it comes to pixel shading.

What games do you play, and why are you upgrading?
a c 114 U Graphics card
May 28, 2007 3:56:03 PM

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The 600W OCZ offers closer to about 32A but yes you should be fine.


Nah. last i checked it was about 35.4 amps.
May 28, 2007 5:42:49 PM

I usually only play FPS games and don't have much trouble running games like HL2 and HL2 Ep1 maxed out at 1680x1050 and I get about 30 fps. I can run Oblivion at medium settings at 1360x768 and average around 30 fps inside and 25 fps outside.

But FEAR is what's making me want to upgrade. I'm running the game at 1024x768 and I get some stuttering.
May 28, 2007 5:58:29 PM

X1900GT FTW!
It's faster & supports HDR+AA :twisted: , so it's Better!
Would be nice improvement over the X850XT. 8)
a c 114 U Graphics card
May 28, 2007 6:31:19 PM

they state all the positive rails @ 580 watts peak
and just the 5 and 3.3 @ 155 watts peak

so

580
-155
------
425

Now 425 watts of 12 volts is 35.4166666666666 amps
May 28, 2007 7:10:43 PM

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X1900GT FTW!
It's faster & supports HDR+AA :twisted: , so it's Better!

Of course.

Or else...
a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2007 9:39:21 PM

Ever consider a Sapphire x1950GT? It is only $130 some odd dollars, and $114 after rebate at new egg.

It out performs the 7900GS in most benchmarks and actually runs cooler believe it or not. Check out the heat specs on it:

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2179&cid=3&pg=7

I can run Command & Conquer 3, Guildwars Nightfall, AOE III, and GTR2 racing all on ultra high graphics with great frame rates. No glitches what so ever.

Here is another great article on it:

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2179&cid=3&pg=1

You definately got the power supply to support it.
a c 130 U Graphics card
May 28, 2007 9:42:16 PM

You just used the o word (Oblivion )that seals it for me x1950xt you can run aa and hddr you will love the difference you get compared to your old card.

Mactronix
May 28, 2007 10:26:30 PM

I got the connect3d x1900GT, its the rev1. Theres a rev2 version with a different cooler on it! Have to say its a solid card, ive had no problems with mine and i have been running on a 400w psu with a 18a twinrail at 11.90 z0mg lol. Still performs like a beast. CSS im in high frames ranging from 90-180 on max and runs games like prey bf2 cod2 gr8. It is as long as a 8800GTS. I would advice a 8800GTS as its future proof and a hell of a precentage faster!

I upgraded from a x800pro and i have to tell you, you will feel the difference!
May 28, 2007 10:38:21 PM

I have to agree, my uncle has an x1950pro and I have the same card as you, x850xt, his card is way better than mine. I know because he let me use it in my rig for a day and the difference was huge, I run all my games at 1280x1024. If it's only 130 bucks then I would say save the extra 30 bucks.
May 30, 2007 2:15:12 AM

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Ever consider a Sapphire x1950GT? It is only $130 some odd dollars, and $114 after rebate at new egg.

It out performs the 7900GS in most benchmarks and actually runs cooler believe it or not. Check out the heat specs on it:

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2179&cid=3&pg=7

I can run Command & Conquer 3, Guildwars Nightfall, AOE III, and GTR2 racing all on ultra high graphics with great frame rates. No glitches what so ever.

Here is another great article on it:

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2179&cid=3&pg=1

You definately got the power supply to support it.


That cards specs are similar to my current X850XT (actually my X850XT is OCed and exceeds the memory and core clock of the 1950GT). But man does it run cool and they're getting 30 fps on FEAR at 1600x1200 with 4x AF! That's odd, I'd think my current card would be able to get close to that.

Thanks for the suggestion... that card's currently my fore runner.

My only problem is with the rebate company. I was supposed to get a $30 rebate with my Sapphire X850XT (making it $90 after rebate) but I never received my rebate. And they always ignore my emails...

Also, I'll be changing (it won't be a real upgrade I guess) my PS to that 620 Corsair. I've had lots of trouble with these OCZ PowerStream (this is my third one).

My X850XT is currently on eBay. I hope I can get at least $60 for it.
May 30, 2007 2:54:39 AM

I made the jump from x850xtpe to the ASUS x1950Pro and to me... it was not a worthy upgrade. Sure, it has SM3 and the ASUS runs very cool and quiet..its a good card, but I don't think the upgrade was worth the cost. The x850xt is still a good card. I say save until you can afford a G80 or better.
May 30, 2007 3:29:07 AM

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I made the jump from x850xtpe to the ASUS x1950Pro and to me... it was not a worthy upgrade. Sure, it has SM3 and the ASUS runs very cool and quiet..its a good card, but I don't think the upgrade was worth the cost. The x850xt is still a good card. I say save until you can afford a G80 or better.


That's what the other side of me is saying... it's not worth it. Sure the VGA image looks like crap but it's not too bad.

Plus, since I started gaming on my LCD HDTV (which actually looks way better than my Samsung 215TW and that only runs at 1360x768.

I might just wait/save up for the X1950XT or maybe one of HD 2600 card (assuming it performs close to a 1950XT and it's cheap).
May 30, 2007 4:10:51 AM

I don't think the upgrade would be worth it. Save for the XT model or a 8800 series GPU.
May 30, 2007 8:16:43 PM

Ok. I have an update...

I just updated and installed the latest patch for FEAR. I never updated it before so I had version 1.0 and now have 1.8.

And believe it or not, the game runs AMAZINGLY well!:) 

I'm getting 30 fps on FEAR at 1650x1080 at medium settings (no AA, no AF, nothing fancy) but the game runs great!

To add to that, my card was at it's stock speeds since it resets every time I update the drivers. My processor was also at stock speeds since I re-mounted it a while ago.

But, this VGA image is still bothering me. I'm thinking that I might use my card's component output to hook it up to my TV and keep DVI for my main display until I grade the card.

Man, this is a fantastic card!:) 
June 3, 2007 2:56:38 PM

For now I agree with Rwayne. 4the$, I'm staring at the x1950gt. The DX10 equivilent of this ATi card will be the HD2800GTO 256mb/256bit/96pipe. You just don't want to consider the 26xx 24xx series at 128bit 64bit.

BTW the 1950series has that ring structure that the modified beam structure of the 1900 series can't touch. The mem. mgmt though is a near equal trade at this level.

Theres a fix for the fan speed at sapphire.
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