and you are???

also the very first bit: "ATI was already the distant 2nd place finisher for 3 generations running (6800, 7800, 8800)"

sooo what was the x1900xt doing?? i agree with the 8800 being superior...but the 7800 and 6800 to the x1900???

what planet are you living on?

TBH I haven't yet read you're whole post. I got far enough to read the incorrect statement about ATI being behind for 3 generations and you're credibility was lost at that point.
Yes I'm disappointed in ATI right now but I absolutely believe they can turn that around.

I really doubt Ati/Amd would fall waaay behind competition. They're still making sales in the mid and low end segment of the market where all the money's at. And I hear the reason for the development delays is cos they're too busy with the xbox360 graphics chips.

whilst some of that had a glimmer of intelligence. as others have said you obviously don't know your history or the meaning of distant.

further, i have a suspicion that you have not had an independant thought in your life as while there was some intelligence and knowledge displayed in your post i think you are regurgitating what others ahve said and what you have read rather than actually knowing what you are talking about.

still, i was going to call you rob but he ain't as articulate as that. you are just another troll.

PLEASE STFU AND DIE!!!!!!

Copy and paste anyone??

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showth [...] 1334958643

screw copyright

i agree this is a funny post hahahaha

i mean dude , this guy dosent know shit about the computer industry hahahah

and oh yeah ..STFU AND DIE TOAD

ATi actually had the superior product in comparison to the Geforce 6 and 7 series, but they've never been as good as marketing their product the way Nvidia does.

Hmmm, okay whatever. Yawn....

...And who the F.U.C.K. are you?
Lets take a look at previews generations:
X1900/X1950series > 7900/7950series (except that for 7950GX2 at high-resolutions!)
X800/X850series > 6800series (BTW it's not fair cause X800/X850series does not support Shader Model3.0 but i rather have an X850XT PE than 6800Ultra)
9800series > FX series

On a planet called ROB & Friends!

Obviously he doesn't know the difference between popcorn & graphics cards!

I seem to remember the geforce 6 series being far and away better than the initial lineup of ati cards. I remember the 6800gt wiped the floor with even the best ati card in doom 3 for example and if you wanted to get good performance out of doom 3 and half life 2 which were the big games at the time, ati seemed to be suggesting you should use different drivers for the different games which having just spent ages trying to install drivers for an x1950 might have been even more awkward than it sounds. And i think the 6600gt was also a lot better than anything ati had competing with it for ages.

Of course, this is before Ati flooded the market with so many different models with different and seemingly random combinations of letters that i lost track, and i believe they carried on developing and releasing that series of cards longer than nvidia did with the 6 series so they were probably better in the end (by which i mean essentially when they were no longer the latest generation), but certainly not to begin with when i was researching what to buy (about 6months after gf6 launched).

And from what i have read i would agree that the geforce 7900s were probably weaker than the x1900, but i seem to remember the 7800 pretty much got away without much competition for a long time.

i believe the x850xtpe was released a long time after the 6800ultra and the 6800u was better than the card it was launched alongside - the x800xt and a more limited (edition wise) x800xtpe which should perhaps be compared with the 6800u extreme if any of those were ever actually made in the end. and with a real comparison like this even the 6800gt beat the best ati card in some games (doom 3 for example)

comparing the 6800u to an x850xtpe is like comparing a 7800 to an x1900

edit: i should probably add though that i also stopped really listening after this "statement of fact" wording about the 3 generations even though i only really disagree with the middle generation, and that the post in general seems a bit... flamey (and a bit borrowed)

I'll agree to that. Intel had their ding ding ding intel inside, which sold them a bundle of duff chips for a few years. Nvidia has their catchy out of breath "Nvidia" thingomebobwhatchamecallit, which also sells a bundle. Ati have a sticker for cases and errr Amd have errr also a sticker.
Just goes to show spending millions on advertising on tv etc can turn into good sales.
Can't see the average parent going to the PC shop with the Ati and Amd names stuck in their minds from seeing stickers on PC cases.

Yup, totally correct. And being late doesn't help much either. Infact, I almost dare to say, you'd be better off releasing a slightly inferior product that's 4-6 months ahead of the competition, because it's the best at the time, and that's what people buy for. Most people don't card if there will be a card that out performs it by 10% 5 months from the competitors release.

i dunno though, ati got their big red badge at the start of hl2 didnt they? I was thinking about all the hl2 fans who would have been impressed by that, but then i remembered about all the cs nerds too

j/k though, i generally agree about the marketing, especially intel. somehow they've taken it so far that other people stop right in the middle of their own adverts to advertise for intel!

The Geforce 6 series did outperform the X800 series in Doom3 by a decent margin, but the X800 series took Half-Life2, Far Cry, and just about every other Direct X9 game.