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You've got a 9200 now, right? Hows it running? One of my guys just got
one and I'm trying to help him get it performing its best. He had to
get a PCI card so that's a little funky.
He only has a 1GHz Celeron but he only ever had onboard intel graphics
before so, so far he's happy.
Any outrageous limitations, I have the feeling that using AA or AF is
probably going to be a bad idea.

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Inglo wrote:
> You've got a 9200 now, right? Hows it running? One of my guys just
> got one and I'm trying to help him get it performing its best. He
> had to get a PCI card so that's a little funky.

Mine's AGP, it's been running well up till recently (I think it might need
extra cooling or something cause it's gotten a bit flaky lately).

> He only has a 1GHz Celeron but he only ever had onboard intel graphics
> before so, so far he's happy.
> Any outrageous limitations, I have the feeling that using AA or AF is
> probably going to be a bad idea.

Well, I've been able to run Battlefield 1942 on it at a reasonable speed, so
it's not too shabby. Also, I have the 64Mb version (came with this box); if
he has the 128Mb version I'm sure there'll be no problem.

Course, I also have an Athlon XP 2100+, but... ;)

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On 4/9/2004 6:04 AM EvilBill brightened our day with:

>Inglo wrote:
>
>
>>You've got a 9200 now, right? Hows it running? One of my guys just
>>got one and I'm trying to help him get it performing its best. He
>>had to get a PCI card so that's a little funky.
>>
>>
>
>Mine's AGP, it's been running well up till recently (I think it might need
>extra cooling or something cause it's gotten a bit flaky lately).
>
>
>
>>He only has a 1GHz Celeron but he only ever had onboard intel graphics
>>before so, so far he's happy.
>>Any outrageous limitations, I have the feeling that using AA or AF is
>>probably going to be a bad idea.
>>
>>
>
>Well, I've been able to run Battlefield 1942 on it at a reasonable speed, so
>it's not too shabby. Also, I have the 64Mb version (came with this box); if
>he has the 128Mb version I'm sure there'll be no problem.
>
>Course, I also have an Athlon XP 2100+, but... ;)
>
>
>
Does it have a 64 bit or 128 bit bus? Actually the card he has, has 256
Mb of RAM. Which is all pointless gimmick but at least its 128 bit.
Have you figured out how to overclock it? I've read that you need to
use the Omega Drivers to enable overclocking, that the stock driver
won't let ya. The stock clocks on this card are 250 MHz GPU, 200 MHz x
2 DDR Memory.
Do you even bother turning any antialiasing or anisotropic filtering on?
The main thing that makes his look nice is the new NEC LCD monitor w/
DVI connection that he just got. I really want to trade in my old CRT.

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Inglo wrote:
> On 4/9/2004 6:04 AM EvilBill brightened our day with:
>
>> Inglo wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You've got a 9200 now, right? Hows it running? One of my guys just
>>> got one and I'm trying to help him get it performing its best. He
>>> had to get a PCI card so that's a little funky.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Mine's AGP, it's been running well up till recently (I think it
>> might need extra cooling or something cause it's gotten a bit flaky
>> lately).
>>
>>
>>
>>> He only has a 1GHz Celeron but he only ever had onboard intel
>>> graphics before so, so far he's happy.
>>> Any outrageous limitations, I have the feeling that using AA or AF
>>> is probably going to be a bad idea.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, I've been able to run Battlefield 1942 on it at a reasonable
>> speed, so it's not too shabby. Also, I have the 64Mb version (came
>> with this box); if he has the 128Mb version I'm sure there'll be no
>> problem.
>>
>> Course, I also have an Athlon XP 2100+, but... ;)
>>
>>
>>
> Does it have a 64 bit or 128 bit bus?

I'm not sure. How do I find out?

> Actually the card he has, has
> 256 Mb of RAM. Which is all pointless gimmick but at least its 128
> bit. Have you figured out how to overclock it? I've read that you
> need to use the Omega Drivers to enable overclocking, that the stock
> driver won't let ya. The stock clocks on this card are 250 MHz GPU,
> 200 MHz x 2 DDR Memory.

I haven't tried overclocking; considering that I think it's overheating as
is, it probably wouldn't be a good idea.

> Do you even bother turning any antialiasing or anisotropic filtering
> on? The main thing that makes his look nice is the new NEC LCD
> monitor w/ DVI connection that he just got. I really want to trade
> in my old CRT.

Heh, I'm still stuck with a CRT myself. Most of the card settings I left at
their defaults, although I did make sure to turn off Vsync to squeeze the
maximum FPS out of games.

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well for me with them and it is well for them. I am a nhh-star, the
companion of a nhh-star, I become a nhh-star, and I will not suffer for
ever." EvilBill - http://www.evilbill.co.uk My Quake2 FTP site:
ftp://65.30.181.223/quake/EvilBill/
 
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On 4/10/2004 6:31 AM EvilBill brightened our day with:

>Inglo wrote:
>
>
>>Does it have a 64 bit or 128 bit bus?
>>
>>
>
>I'm not sure. How do I find out?
>
>
>
If you don't have it, you should really get Aida32,
http://www.aida32.hu, which can tell you a ton of things about your
system. With Aida32, just check Display>GPU> 2/3 of the way down, it
says "Memory Bus Properties".

>I haven't tried overclocking; considering that I think it's overheating as
>is, it probably wouldn't be a good idea.
>
>
Well I got the card OCed a bit using the Omega Drivers and Radlinker.
Not much, but 10% is something.

>Heh, I'm still stuck with a CRT myself. Most of the card settings I left at
>their defaults, although I did make sure to turn off Vsync to squeeze the
>maximum FPS out of games.
>
>
>
Here's how I have it doing in 3dMark01
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7738966*
*I think the low score is because of the processor and fsb.

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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:27:25 +0000, Inglo wrote:

> On 4/10/2004 8:23 AM Inglo brightened our day with:
>
>
>> Here's how I have it doing in 3dMark01
>> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7738966* *I think the low
>> score is because of the processor and fsb.
>>
> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7738966

You're only running a celeron 900? I'll bet you could do the tualatin mod
(or buy one of those $10 s370 adapters), and get a 1.1a-1.4GHz tualatin
celeron running in there (maybe even @1.5-1.6GHz if you overclock).

I use a GF3 Ti200 64mb in slot 1 BX motherboards with a celeron 1.3 (no
overclock) getting 4900 in 3dmark2k1 (5900 with GF3 Ti500 64mb)... Celeron
900's fetch about $20-30 on eGay, and a 1.3 retail can be had for $38
(cheaper if you shop around on eGay).

Is your computer an HP Pavilion? Does that board have an AGP slot? I'd
bet that if your video card is a PCI version, that might also be a
limiting factor...

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Inglo wrote:
> On 4/10/2004 6:31 AM EvilBill brightened our day with:
>
>> Inglo wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Does it have a 64 bit or 128 bit bus?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure. How do I find out?
>>
>>
>>
> If you don't have it, you should really get Aida32,
> http://www.aida32.hu, which can tell you a ton of things about your
> system. With Aida32, just check Display>GPU> 2/3 of the way down, it
> says "Memory Bus Properties".
>
>> I haven't tried overclocking; considering that I think it's
>> overheating as is, it probably wouldn't be a good idea.
>>
>>
> Well I got the card OCed a bit using the Omega Drivers and Radlinker.
> Not much, but 10% is something.
>
>> Heh, I'm still stuck with a CRT myself. Most of the card settings I
>> left at their defaults, although I did make sure to turn off Vsync
>> to squeeze the maximum FPS out of games.
>>
>>
>>
> Here's how I have it doing in 3dMark01
> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7738966*
> *I think the low score is because of the processor and fsb.

You're running what???

Here's mine on Christmas Eve:
http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectdetails&p
rojectType=6&projectId=7366495

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On 4/11/2004 7:36 AM McGrandpa brightened our day with:

>>Well I got the card OCed a bit using the Omega Drivers and Radlinker.
>>Not much, but 10% is something.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Heh, I'm still stuck with a CRT myself. Most of the card settings I
>>>left at their defaults, although I did make sure to turn off Vsync
>>>to squeeze the maximum FPS out of games.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Here's how I have it doing in 3dMark01
>>http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7738966*
>>*I think the low score is because of the processor and fsb.
>>
>>
>
>You're running what???
>
>Here's mine on Christmas Eve:
>http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectdetails&p
>rojectType=6&projectId=7366495
>
>McG.
>
>
>
>
Not me, a guy I work with/friend who I've been helping make his home
system as game worthy as possible.
Here's mine, http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7170221
Which you've got beat by 1000+ pts :-(

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Inglo wrote:
> On 4/11/2004 7:36 AM McGrandpa brightened our day with:
>
>>> Well I got the card OCed a bit using the Omega Drivers and
>>> Radlinker. Not much, but 10% is something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Heh, I'm still stuck with a CRT myself. Most of the card settings I
>>>> left at their defaults, although I did make sure to turn off Vsync
>>>> to squeeze the maximum FPS out of games.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Here's how I have it doing in 3dMark01
>>> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7738966*
>>> *I think the low score is because of the processor and fsb.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You're running what???
>>
>> Here's mine on Christmas Eve:
>>
http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectdetails&p
>> rojectType=6&projectId=7366495
>>
>> McG.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Not me, a guy I work with/friend who I've been helping make his home
> system as game worthy as possible.
> Here's mine, http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7170221
> Which you've got beat by 1000+ pts :-(
>
> --
> "Cocaine's a hell of a drug" - Rick James
>
> Steve [Inglo]

Yaknow, looking at these scores side by side, it's very clear that both
the ATI and Nvidia cards have strong and weak points. And, those points
aren't the same ones :) My fill rate is hideously fast, while your
advanced pixel shaders are better, your environment bump mapping is
faster while my Dot3 bump mapping is better. You've proved the 9600's
are deffo worthy contenders!! And for the price, you'd be crazy to get
an equivalent FX for $100 more! :)
Now here we are with all the best goodies from both ATI and Nv, and we
now have PCI Express just about around the corner. Sigh.
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On 4/14/2004 4:35 PM McGrandpa brightened our day with:

>
>>Not me, a guy I work with/friend who I've been helping make his home
>>system as game worthy as possible.
>>Here's mine, http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7170221
>>Which you've got beat by 1000+ pts :-(
>>
>>--
>>"Cocaine's a hell of a drug" - Rick James
>>
>>Steve [Inglo]
>>
>>
>
>Yaknow, looking at these scores side by side, it's very clear that both
>the ATI and Nvidia cards have strong and weak points. And, those points
>aren't the same ones :) My fill rate is hideously fast, while your
>advanced pixel shaders are better, your environment bump mapping is
>faster while my Dot3 bump mapping is better. You've proved the 9600's
>are deffo worthy contenders!! And for the price, you'd be crazy to get
>an equivalent FX for $100 more! :)
>Now here we are with all the best goodies from both ATI and Nv, and we
>now have PCI Express just about around the corner. Sigh.
>McG.
>
>
>
>
I'll probably be getting a 9800 Pro pretty soon. They've come all the
way down to where you can pick one up on newegg.com for $215 (which is
only $35 more than I paid for my 9600 Pro last August). The 9800 Pro
blows everything but the FX 5950 and the 9800 XTs away.

Have you seen some of the release notes on the new NV40.

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Inglo wrote:
> On 4/14/2004 4:35 PM McGrandpa brightened our day with:
>
>>
>>> Not me, a guy I work with/friend who I've been helping make his home
>>> system as game worthy as possible.
>>> Here's mine, http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7170221
>>> Which you've got beat by 1000+ pts :-(
>>>
>>> --
>>> "Cocaine's a hell of a drug" - Rick James
>>>
>>> Steve [Inglo]
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yaknow, looking at these scores side by side, it's very clear that
>> both the ATI and Nvidia cards have strong and weak points. And,
>> those points aren't the same ones :) My fill rate is hideously
>> fast, while your advanced pixel shaders are better, your environment
>> bump mapping is faster while my Dot3 bump mapping is better. You've
>> proved the 9600's are deffo worthy contenders!! And for the price,
>> you'd be crazy to get an equivalent FX for $100 more! :)
>> Now here we are with all the best goodies from both ATI and Nv, and
>> we now have PCI Express just about around the corner. Sigh.
>> McG.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I'll probably be getting a 9800 Pro pretty soon. They've come all the
> way down to where you can pick one up on newegg.com for $215 (which is
> only $35 more than I paid for my 9600 Pro last August). The 9800 Pro
> blows everything but the FX 5950 and the 9800 XTs away.
>
> Have you seen some of the release notes on the new NV40.

Not yet, an what of ATI's newest plans? :) There are some stunning
things on the drawing boards of both companies.
I'll go look up those specs now :)
McG.

>
> --
> "Cocaine's a hell of a drug" - Rick James
>
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On 4/16/2004 6:58 AM McGrandpa brightened our day with:

>>I'll probably be getting a 9800 Pro pretty soon. They've come all the
>>way down to where you can pick one up on newegg.com for $215 (which is
>>only $35 more than I paid for my 9600 Pro last August). The 9800 Pro
>>blows everything but the FX 5950 and the 9800 XTs away.
>>
>>Have you seen some of the release notes on the new NV40.
>>
>>
>
>Not yet, an what of ATI's newest plans? :) There are some stunning
>things on the drawing boards of both companies.
>I'll go look up those specs now :)
>McG.
>
>
>

Well the main thing that hit me about the new GeForce 6800 Ultra is it
practically requires you to have about a 550W power supply, and it
requires two separate, not split or shared, molex 12v connections from
the PSU.
But you can play games like UT2K3 at 1600x1200 full AA and AF at like
150 fps.
Carmack loves it, says its the most dramatic generational jump yet.
Sorry don't have any links on hand, but all the usual places have
stories, anandtech.com, Tom's Hardware etc...

The Buzz on the next gen. ATI has missed me so far.

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Inglo wrote:
> On 4/16/2004 6:58 AM McGrandpa brightened our day with:
>
>>> I'll probably be getting a 9800 Pro pretty soon. They've come all
>>> the way down to where you can pick one up on newegg.com for $215
>>> (which is only $35 more than I paid for my 9600 Pro last August).
>>> The 9800 Pro blows everything but the FX 5950 and the 9800 XTs
>>> away.
>>>
>>> Have you seen some of the release notes on the new NV40.

WOW!
"Retail graphics boards based on the GeForce 6800 models are slated for
release in the next 45 days."
Way cool.

Hm. I wonder if the PCI Express stuff is now in a longer dev cycle than
anticipated 6 months ago, and GF6800 AGP production will fill the new
void? If things are gonna take say another year for the PCI-E then I
might try one of these new 6800's :)

>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not yet, an what of ATI's newest plans? :) There are some stunning
>> things on the drawing boards of both companies.
>> I'll go look up those specs now :)
>> McG.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well the main thing that hit me about the new GeForce 6800 Ultra is it
> practically requires you to have about a 550W power supply, and it
> requires two separate, not split or shared, molex 12v connections from
> the PSU.
> But you can play games like UT2K3 at 1600x1200 full AA and AF at like
> 150 fps.

> Carmack loves it,
Then I bet I will too! Talk about a sounding board for a video card!
:) Who better?

says its the most dramatic generational jump yet.
> Sorry don't have any links on hand, but all the usual places have
> stories, anandtech.com, Tom's Hardware etc...
>
> The Buzz on the next gen. ATI has missed me so far.

Anandtech was where I saw a few words about some possibilities with a
newer GPU core. It's been a few weeks, we've slept since then ;) It
wasn't 'big' stuff, just a hint.

>
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> "Cocaine's a hell of a drug" - Rick James
>
> Steve [Inglo]

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Behold and tremble! For Inglo
<ingloogoo@zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.xcc> wrote:
> On 4/10/2004 6:31 AM EvilBill brightened our day with:
>
>> Inglo wrote:
>>
>>> Does it have a 64 bit or 128 bit bus?
>>
>> I'm not sure. How do I find out?
>>
>>
> If you don't have it, you should really get Aida32,
> http://www.aida32.hu, which can tell you a ton of things about your
> system. With Aida32, just check Display>GPU> 2/3 of the way down, it
> says "Memory Bus Properties".
>

128 bit.

>> I haven't tried overclocking; considering that I think it's
>> overheating as is, it probably wouldn't be a good idea.
>>
> Well I got the card OCed a bit using the Omega Drivers and Radlinker.
> Not much, but 10% is something.
>
>> Heh, I'm still stuck with a CRT myself. Most of the card settings I
>> left at their defaults, although I did make sure to turn off Vsync
>> to squeeze the maximum FPS out of games.
>>
> Here's how I have it doing in 3dMark01
> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7738966*
> *I think the low score is because of the processor and fsb.

I'll have to see how mine measures up. Although I still think games are
the best way of benchmarking cards ;)

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well for me with them and it is well for them. I am a nhh-star, the
companion of a nhh-star, I become a nhh-star, and I will not suffer for
ever." EvilBill - http://www.evilbill.co.uk My Quake2 FTP site:
ftp://65.30.181.223/quake/EvilBill/
 
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