For those considering an 8500 GT...

[cleeve]

Here's a review at hardwaresecrets showing it getting blasted by a 6600 GT in EVERY GAME TESTED.

The only thing the 8500 GT beat the 6600 GT at was 3dMark 06.
In actual games the 6600 GT beat the 8500 GT by a sizable percentage...

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/452/5

 

[FeareX]

Wow, i didnt expected it to be THAT slow :?

I thought it would score something like the 7600gs

 

[Dr_asik]

S.hit. That's what that card is.

 

[Farhang]

Nice find Cleeve. :trophy:
Man! That sucks bad!
I guessed that 8500GT can at least outperform the 7600GS.
Damn...

 

[kaotao]

8O

 

[onestep]

Actually the 8500GT can be a good little card in the right hands.

I have the Gainward 8500GT which is factory clocked to 600mhz GPU with the memory switched to GDDR3@ 1200mhz and all with a passive AC designed 2 slot HS which costs the same as a regular 8500GT here in the UK(£60).

Manufacturers page:
http://www.gainward.net/en/product/product_detail_v8613.html

See here for details of my PC/benchies:
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=238614&highlight=

My PC is equiv to the 1 in the review except i'm using a E6420 which is 800mhz slower but this still gives me a 3Dmark 2006 score of 3360 @1280x768 as compared to 2927@1024x768 in that review showing my card to be A LOT better for no extra money...

 

[Hathorian]

What a POS. Hopefully the ATI midrange cards will be a lot better (if they ever come out).

 

[fatcat]

Here's a review at hardwaresecrets showing it getting blasted by a 6600 GT in EVERY GAME TESTED.

The only thing the 8500 GT beat the 6600 GT at was 3dMark 06.
In actual games the 6600 GT beat the 8500 GT by a sizable percentage...

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/452/5

Frankly, I don't like what I am seeing right now. It seems that there is a huge gap in the DX10 spectrum card. You have Top end card like the 8800 or 2900 than the fall is pretty step and you end up with crappy card like that one. Even the 8600 or 2600 doesn't impress me one bit. I think that both AMD and Nvidea should rethink their position. I think that we should rightly assume that the new mid end card should be near as powerful as the last generation top end card and certainly more powerful than the mid end card of todays. True, there is still time to readjust since Dx10 are not out yet but nevertheless, I think it's cause for some concerns.

 

[onestep]

I just quickly ran 3Dmark 2005 v1.3 and got a score of 5987 which puts my 8500GT on par or better than a stock 7600GT.

Here is the 3Dmark compare link:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=3089075

So don't write the 8500GT off so quickly as i've found it to be a solid performer @1280x768 & 1024x768 with always playable framerates in my games...

 

[Gary_Busey]

3DMark means shit compared to real world performance tests.

 

[cleeve]

I just quickly ran 3Dmark 2005 v1.3 and got a score of 5987 which puts my 8500GT on par or better than a stock 7600GT...
So don't write the 8500GT off so quickly

The 8500 GT does great in 3dMark, it just sucks in games. Check the review.

I don't know about you, but I buy cards to play with, not to get bungholiomarks...

The question isn't if the 8500 GT can provide playable performance... it's whether an old card like the 6600 GT can provide much more performance for less money that makes the 8500 GT a bad gamer's buy.

I spend to get the most gaming performance out of my dollar... the 8500 GT does not do that.

 

[Gary_Busey]

YOU WANT THE TRUTH?? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

 

[The_Abyss]

Why are reviews like this not being done here?

 

[cleeve]

Because I'm too busy as it is! But I hope to tackle it in the future.

 

[Farhang]

LIES!!!!

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Eventful past is everclear.
My life is set. The time is here.
I think i'm coming home...

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[HotFoot]

Maybe I'll wait a generation or two before I switch out my 6600GT (passively cooled at that).

So, does this mean that the 8500 is only about twice as powerful as the Radeon 1250 IGP in the AMD690G chipset?

 

[Farhang]

Woohoo!
Awesome avatar!
Mechwarrior 4 Mercenaries! (i think the Mech in your avatar is Fafnir, right?)
One of the best game that i have ever played in my whole life! (with my Logitech Freedom2.4GHz joystick 8) )

Maybe I'll wait a generation or two before I switch out my 6600GT (passively cooled at that).

If you need a good mid-rang card, a 7600GT is almost twice as fast as your current card.(i know that you know it better than me!)

So, does this mean that the 8500 is only about twice as powerful as the Radeon 1250 IGP in the AMD690G chipset?

Something like twice as fast a GeForce 4 MX440 would be better!

 

[onestep]

The only game I have for benchmarking purposes is the recently released lost planet demo which runs very well on my 8500GT @1280x768 medium quality settings with the default benchmark giving:

Lost Planet score: Average: 28fps, Snow: 23fps, Cave: 33fps

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/930/lostplanetbenchmark1rr6.jpg

If you actually compare those frame rates they're about equal to what the 2900xt is giving (of course that's down to buggy ati drivers at present) in this game. 8O

 

[T8RR8R]

This is what happens when the competition is fairly non-existent. There's not reason to make a "kickass" product.

 

[onestep]

ok i've just instslled doom 3 v1.3.1 and run the timedemo1 @1024x768x32 medium quality settings on everything and I get 84.9fps.

To keep with what Tom's hardware have done previously in their recent 8600GTS review(see here for comparable Doom3 benchies: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/04/29/foxconn-geforce-8600gts/page9.html ) I then set it to 1024x768x32 ultra quality settings - no AA & 8xAF in the demo and windows and I get 70.6fps.

Link to doom 3 fps screen:
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8682/doom3benchmark1024x768ulu2.jpg

If you compare this to the above Tom's benchmark selection you'll see that this result puts my 8500GT just above a x850xt and 5fps quicker than a 7600GT and im using a e6420 cpu @stock speeds which is 800mhz slower than the X6800 used in that review (the rest of my PC is on par with their PC, Asus P5N-E, OCZ 2gb ddr2 800)!

This to me shows the great potential in the 8500GT if other manufacturers go beyond the nvidia reference specs as gainward did with their card making it 600mhz gpu\1200 gddr3 mem\passive cooler for the same price as the bog standard 8500gt (£60).

Infact Gainward also have a 8500GT with the memory clocked to 1400Mhz\GPU 600Mhz for the same £60 as my card but this card comes with a fan so I went with the silent option instead (little less speed but MUCH less noise).

Links to cards, My Card:
http://www.gainward.net/en/product/product_detail_v8613.html
600\1400 card with fan cooling:
http://www.gainward.net/en/product/product_detail_v8507.html

So don't diss the 8500GT yet as it just may turn into a cheap dx10 7600GT replacement yet (as it has for me)!

 

[Ninjaz7]

Did you jus make a comparison from the 8500gt to the hd 2900xt 8O .

 

[chungdokwan]

Quick lets start 20 "Is Nvidia going bankrupt threads" LOL

Though that card does sound like a bit of a joke.

 

[HotFoot]

You know, if you put the fusion idea and the 3D chips idea (through-silicon via tech, etc.) together, you end up with incredible transistor budgets as well as opportunities for greater performance. So long as they can tackle the heat production, I can see on-CPU graphics being a hit and growing even into performance areas to compete with entry-level discrete graphics rather than just the IGP sector. Where will nvidia be then?

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Because I'm too busy as it is! But I hope to tackle it in the future.

LOL!

I'd love to help you out. :twisted:

PS, you know why the GF8500 does so well especilly in 3Dmonkey05 eh?

It's lovely to be able to dedicate all your shader resources to vertex loads in a benchmark that everyone complained was more vertex heavy than any game that will ever ship (although technically I think X2 and X3 wouldqualify maybe). That and DST support helps a bit.
Interestingly enough it's that Bungholiomark model that Hardwaresecrets left out, perhaps unlike many they knew in advance that it'd be skewed.

I never expected much out of the card compared to this generation, but to struggle against the likes of the GF7300GT and X1300, oie that's a tough sell.

To be honest I'm not expecting much more from the HD2400 either though, but it will be interesting to see who can 'win' the race to the bottom.

Anywhoo, at least for the laptop models even the low end is looking better than the stuff they were putting in last generation.

 

[caamsa]

Yep and the 8600GT is not much better. Slower than the 7600GT.



http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=637&p=0


And the 8600GTS priced too high IMO.