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May 29, 2007 6:47:07 PM

Could some one please give me a answer to this question.

The X1950 PRO is similar to the X1900 GT, the main difference being that it is not based on the X1900 XT, but a whole new and less power-hungry core. The card's main competition is the 7900 GS, which it beats in almost every benchmark. But the 7900 GS isn't available in AGP flavor, which makes the X1950 PRO the fastest AGP card available*

*The Gainward BLISS+ 7800 GS, which actually have 7900 GT and 7900GS GPUs, are also fast AGP cards on par with the X1950 PRO. These are far more expensive and can only be purchased in Europe, however.

which one is faster???

I have the Gainward bliss+ and indeed it is a 7900 on a agp card, but reading the spec sheet for the X1950 pro this should be faster, is this true or am i talking out my nose.

the reason i ask is i want to play, stalker with everthing turned up to the max, (and before you say i need to up grade my whole pc. I KNOW)

my specs are pentium p4 at 3.4ghz 1mb cache
Gainward bliss+ 512mb 7800+
2.0 gig cosair xl 2.2.2.5
250gig hard drive diamond max 10
and windows xp.
msi 875 neo motherboard

thank you :roll: :roll: :roll:

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May 29, 2007 7:03:51 PM

Gainward has made things more complex because the new Bliss+ is 20 pipelines (a 7900 GS) and the old bliss was 24 pipelines (a 7900 GT).

The X1950 PRO is generally stronger than the 20-pipe 7900 GS, but is generally weaker than the 24-pipe 7900 GT.

Basically, find out if ther Bliss you want to buy is the old 24-pipe or new 20-pipe version, then find stalker benches comparing the X1950 PRO vs a 7900 GS and 7900 GT, and go from there...

...in any case, STALKER is almost impossible to play at max settings (dynamic shadows) with ANY videocard setup. Even an X1950 XT AGP (the best AGP card available) might not take you there...
May 29, 2007 7:18:04 PM

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...in any case, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is almost impossible to play at max settings (dynamic shadows) with ANY videocard setup.

WHAAAAAAAAAAT? 8O
Damn man, i didn't expect this at least from a high-end-pro guy you!
I play the damn game with Full-Dynamic-Lighting at 1600x1200 with every single detail to max(except AA as the game doesn't support it) & my average FPS is 30~45(min=25,Max=80).
I can send some screen shot if you wish my friend!
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May 29, 2007 7:46:39 PM

I believe Cleeve is referring to AGP cards.
May 29, 2007 7:53:39 PM

In that case he is right and it would be my bad! :tongue:
May 29, 2007 8:03:13 PM

My bad, should have been more clear about the AGP thing... :oops: 
May 29, 2007 8:49:40 PM

thanks for the very fast answers guys, looking from your answers i think i have bottomed out as the card i have is the 24pipeline version, looks like i will have to spend £2500 now on a new specced system. damm the bank managers not gooing to be happy.

seriously thanks youve saved me spending more money. :roll: :roll:
May 29, 2007 9:22:12 PM

Don't spend 2500+ when you can get alot for under 2k, though UK prices are higher aren't they? That does put a damper on the situation. :?
May 29, 2007 10:12:31 PM

Good catch. I am slightly surprised by this. Expect a premium over PCI-e counterparts of ~$40-50.
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May 29, 2007 11:28:48 PM

Don't expect much improvevement from the HD2600, it's going to be the non-Xt version in AGP, which means that it will preform at or below the level of the card you currently have. It will add some features, but raw performance, especially in a game like Stalker will not be as good, and for DX10 games it will only be acceptable as a go forward card. This may be the tipping point for you with regards to upgrades, because while technically you could go higher with the rare X1900XT in AGP, it's not going to make a difference, and the same will be true of the AGP HD2K series, other than adding what amounts to low-option DX10 effects on those 600 series cards. IMO better off with a GTS-320 or 640 and a new PCIe setup. Or actually by the time some AGP DX10 cards would come out likely you'll be facing appealing refreshes or new model from AMD and nV, so an HD2900XL or GF8800GTS refresh may be the way to go by that time frame anyway.

Consider all the options carefuly because while some upgrade paths are attactive on the surface, you may find the end results aren't worth considering simply to stay with AGP.

There are compeling reasons for new AGP cards, but if your upgrade point is a GF7900GT equipped GTS likely the only thing to offer improved performance or value would be an X1900XT and it's not worth the money as an upgrade, only as a swap out for the difference, so I can't see you upgrading from where you are without a complete overhaul.

PS, the bold is a little unnecessary, you had it engaged there for a while, glad you caught it, made you look like a senior driving down the road with the blinker on though. :tongue:
May 30, 2007 12:15:31 AM

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...in any case, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is almost impossible to play at max settings (dynamic shadows) with ANY videocard setup.

WHAAAAAAAAAAT? 8O
Damn man, i didn't expect this at least from a high-end-pro guy you!
I play the damn game with Full-Dynamic-Lighting at 1600x1200 with every single detail to max(except AA as the game doesn't support it) & my average FPS is 30~45(min=25,Max=80).
I can send some screen shot if you wish my friend!

ill take some screenshots.... my new GF7600GT seems to put out pretty good graphics in F.E.A.R., id love to see what a GTS could do in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
May 30, 2007 1:05:31 AM

My brothers 640 gts never dropped below 36fps on stalker. I will have him post some SH's.
May 30, 2007 1:17:24 AM

No need, again Cleeve was referring to AGP cards not all video cards. We cleared that up earlier. :wink:
May 30, 2007 1:17:31 AM

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My brothers 640 gts never dropped below 36fps on stalker. I will have him post some SH's.


well either PM me when he does, or tell me somehow...

glee?
May 30, 2007 1:49:03 AM

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PS, the bold is a little unnecessary, you had it engaged there for a while, glad you caught it, made you look like a senior driving down the road with the blinker on though. :tongue:

That is the best dang analogy I've heard in a while. :lol:  :lol: 
May 30, 2007 1:58:34 AM

This is off-topic, but I don't mind thread-jacking. ;) 

Is S.T.A.L.K.E.R any good? I have read such mixed reviews I haven't even bothered trying it. But, the story line sounds interesting enough.
May 30, 2007 2:29:38 AM

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This is off-topic, but I don't mind thread-jacking. ;) 

Is S.T.A.L.K.E.R any good? I have read such mixed reviews I haven't even bothered trying it. But, the story line sounds interesting enough.


i remember reading about it 4 years ago in PC Gamer.... back then I had a Nvidia GeForce Go4... 64mb.. in a Dell Inspiron 8200....

I played BF1942 and MOH Allied Assault... oh and C&C Generals....

BF1942 was a Freakin slideshow... literally, I couldnt fly planes.... it was sad...

Stalker looked cool then.... four years later I was wondering what happened to it... I thought it came out then, I just never heard if it was good or anything... then I heard the sad sad news that it hadnt come out yet, but they were thinking about it... damn its almost as bad as Duke nukem Forever... or is that the title?
a b U Graphics card
May 30, 2007 2:31:06 AM

Seems good but kinda hard, or maybe im just getting older :lol: 
May 30, 2007 3:10:31 AM




@jlsd1972 sorry for going off topic
a b U Graphics card
May 30, 2007 3:23:35 AM

I was using fraps :?
May 30, 2007 7:15:06 PM

thanks for the photos of stalker they do look good dont they!!!

i can get my hands on a gecube x1950xt for £139 would this be a better upgrade than the h2400 and the h2600 cards soon to arrive??? :lol:  :lol: 
May 31, 2007 6:52:34 PM

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Is S.T.A.L.K.E.R. any good? I have read such mixed reviews I haven't even bothered trying it. But, the story line sounds interesting enough.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is an awesome in my opinion! 8)
The game (stuck) is has lots of bug & poor Graphic/Performance ratio but with the patches & some mini mod(better graphic+better performance), i believe you are going to miss one awesome FPS if you don't wish to play it!
Here is the link for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. patches and modes!
The game is a some kinda a mix of FarCry,DOOM 3 & Half-Life2.
Now, time for a
June 1, 2007 12:21:02 PM

Hey dudes. Nice thread. Currently running old AMD Athlon XP 3200+ @2.2ghz with a now measly BFG 7600 GS OC 512mb, getting bad bad bad monkey brain gut spewing hard drive crunching slideshow in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. at max details 1600x1200, noAA. Am getting an X 1950 XT on Monday. Will let you know what difference it's made.

:D  :!:
June 2, 2007 4:52:14 AM

Nice... thanks dude. Yeah, you can't expect amazing performance for like the first game to ever come out of Ukraine.
June 2, 2007 7:27:11 PM

that will be quicker than the 7600gs, i got one on friday (x1950 xt) and iam not over the moon about it, you see i had the very limited Bliss 7800+ which is infact a 7600gt core, still i have tried the x1950 xt from gecube with th tec for a cooler, found some threads about a dodgy cooler and also a possible fix but it looks cheap to me. any way dont let my experiance put you off. :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
June 11, 2007 12:55:14 PM

Well, I got the Gecube X1950XT in place of my old BFG 7600gs oc. After a week of faffing around I'm finally running smoothly. Had to perform the afore-mentioned heatsink fix; shoved some card in between the copper plate and back of the card to give it the pressure on the GPU it sorely needed.

Then my 600w EZcool PSU blew up under the strain.

I now have a Tagan 580w TG580-U15 and appears to be running smoothly, and my framerates have more than doubled from the upgrade which ended up costing me £230. Worth it in the end. I think.

But man, the Cecube card is so HOT! 55c Idle and 70c in use. I'm sure this can't be good for everything else that sits next to it.

Anyway.

Note to self : EZcool = :evil:  shite, Tagan = good :D  .
June 11, 2007 1:45:33 PM

One thing that REALLY helps a lot of people with STALKER is having 2GB of memory. I personally was having crazy lag in certain spots, and the system I was playing it on is pretty far from low-end. It was on my office computer, a 805D @4Ghz with a 7950GX2. Anyway, dropping another stick of RAM in completely erased any lag/framerate problems I had. Sounds like your new vid card is working out for you, but I thought I'd mention this in case anyone else is having problems.

I personally love the game, it's very atmospheric and the developers paid a lot of attention to detail. They didn't pay so much attention to system requirements and code efficiency, but hey, they're a small company and this is a VERY ambitious game, so I won't hold it against them. They need to get off their butts and release another patch soon though, I still have some minor issues.
June 11, 2007 4:29:13 PM

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Note to self : EZcool = :evil:  shite, Tagan = good :D  .


yaay for tagan :lol:  :lol: 

i use one myself :roll: :lol:  :oops: 
June 11, 2007 5:31:46 PM

yipe ka ayi.

:cry:  :cry:  :cry: 
i have bought the gecube x1950xt and i have to say i am disapointed with it, i have driver issues you wont beleive, you start a game you see the install screen but all the lettering is well blurred, ive tried every ati driver from 6.6 to 7.5 and also the omega drivers and still no game play. i thinkthis one will be going back.

p.s take a look at the shapphire web site, under the agp tab youll see a agp version of the new H2600XT and a PRO version to but no prices. :cry:  :cry:  :cry: 
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