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You've seen it before. Now it's..digitalized! Maybe a sign of..benchmarks to come?
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At the rate AMD has been goin, more likely a sign of a new round of Intel bashing hollow promises from Henri Richard and his 'dream team'
Oh joy, now there are photos! Where will i put them? Hm... Next to the authentic mugshot of Nessie? Ah! I know! The color scheme will fit the Alien autopsy footage way better.
So when people see it, they will interpret that the phenom CPU came from that aliens pocket... err stomach?
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That totally redefines the meaning of Paper Launch. That would be a new low, even for AMD. 8O
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That totally redefines the meaning of Paper Launch. That would be a new low, even for AMD. 8O
I am teasing a little -- it is hard to get excited over a die shot, especially one that has been prepared for a marketing campaign. It would be much more useful if it were plugged into a socket and running a few electrons through it.
Ahh.. few electrons, eh?
and have some kind of neon sign that flashes... "Eat at Joes"
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That totally redefines the meaning of Paper Launch. That would be a new low, even for AMD. 8O
I am teasing a little -- it is hard to get excited over a die shot, especially one that has been prepared for a marketing campaign. It would be much more useful if it were plugged into a socket and running a few electrons through it.
Ahh.. few electrons, eh?
and have some kind of neon sign that flashes... "Eat at Joes"
Hey that is what I got my E4300 to do, why do you think I OC'd it? It sure wasn't to browse the internet faster. No, I wanted it to power my dancing neon stripper sign that hangs in my window for all the apt complex to see. 8)
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Aaaaah, the curse ... or beauty of the NDA.
Is this image a true-colour photo, or is it one of those pictures that has colour enhancements to make the features stand out? I know wafers look beautiful, but I didn't expect to see such coherrent patterns.
http://www.voxclandestina.com/2006 [...] die-shots/
You can see here that my linked pic has same shape though obviously the linked is prettier.
I think the linked is not "real" because the way it reflects light.
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That totally redefines the meaning of Paper Launch. That would be a new low, even for AMD. 8O
I am teasing a little -- it is hard to get excited over a die shot, especially one that has been prepared for a marketing campaign. It would be much more useful if it were plugged into a socket and running a few electrons through it.
Ahh.. few electrons, eh?
and have some kind of neon sign that flashes... "Eat at Joes"
Hey that is what I got my E4300 to do, why do you think I OC'd it? It sure wasn't to browse the internet faster. No, I wanted it to power my dancing neon stripper sign that hangs in my window for all the apt complex to see. 8)
Yet another in a long line of "quote victims." Such is the life of the poet. So be it.
Ok.... good come back. Glad to see you're making as little sense as ever.
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what the hell do pictures prove.
nice
One word about that picture: PHOTOSHOPPED!
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You should make this your sig phrase...
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You should make this your sig phrase...
If he doesn't, I will keep it alive.
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You should make this your sig phrase...
If he doesn't, I will keep it alive.
And if you and RichPLS keep flaming people - You both might find yourselves banned - capice? Now, stop this baiting!
Somehow I just don't think my 1200 DPI printer is going to cut it anymore.
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I don't even want to know what the DPI would have to be to print a CPU. We'd probably have to measure it in GDPI [Gigadots per inch]. 8O
Ty vern.
I think it's something like 400,000 DPI. Makes you appreciate the fabs, doesn't it?
There are printing products for 3D plastic models. We used those for some prototyping work. Somehow, I think we're better off with leaving CPU construction to the experts for now. Maybe programmed self-assembly or nanobots building the chips a molecule at a time will happen down the road.
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I don't even want to know what the DPI would have to be to print a CPU. We'd probably have to measure it in GDPI [Gigadots per inch]. 8O
Ty vern.
This is a good point
... gate lengths for the 65 nm node is reported at 35 nm for both AMD and Intel, put this into a different unit that makes a little more sense -- Angstroms, 350 angstroms. An atom on average is 1-2 Angs in diameter, so make it 2 Angs... the gate lenth, that is the distance from source to drain is about 175 atoms wide.
You would need atomic size dots, and it would amount to way more that gigadots.
You and your chemistry knowledge....
Fine... petadots work?
Well then 10angs = 1nm obviously. If we really wanted to get down and dirty, we would need the exact elements of the gate in order to determine how many atoms wide the gate is. That might be a fun way to pass time when I am bored in class. If it gets really bad we would put other distances in terms of angs or even different elements to illustrate the variation in the size of each elemental atom.
*runs to find his 10 key*
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More than a thousand words?
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Ouch
but I do really hope AMD/ Phenom can deliver what they promised. I don't wanna live in a world with not much choice (albeit Intel's offering currently is a feast). Heck, I even pictured the future to have more than two (at least three) CPU companies
Well never know what the future will be, but present day AMD is getting some ass whopping from Intel. Let us hope this new chip will change all that and give us more choice.
Maybe AMD should have sunk a bit more into R&D, Intel did ..
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Well, at the moment, it proves that AMD has a functioning camera.
Exactly what i thought and probably the reason they haven´t shown the processor in a socket. Not that i would believe them then. AMD is just as credible as a junkie with a severe craving.
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Are Oh Eff El = ROFL!!!
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AMD spent 28.7% of their total 2006 revenue on R&D. Intel spent 16.6% of their total revenue on R&D - even so - outspending AMD 2.5 to 1.
For the long-term benefit of us all let's hope the AMD investment pays off . . .
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AMD spent 28.7% of their total 2006 revenue on R&D. Intel spent 16.6% of their total revenue on R&D - even so - outspending AMD 2.5 to 1.
For the long-term benefit of us all let's hope the AMD investment pays off . . .
AMD for FY06 spent 1.205 B on R&D
Intel for FY 06 spent 5.9 B on R&D
Intel is outspending AMD ~4.89:1
It isn't always about R&D as a % of revenue, that only gets you a fraction of the picture. Don't distort AMD's problems.
Dear PickleHead:
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AMD spent 28.7% of their total 2006 revenue on R&D. Intel spent 16.6% of their total revenue on R&D - even so - outspending AMD 2.5 to 1.
For the long-term benefit of us all let's hope the AMD investment pays off . . .
AMD for FY06 spent 1.205 B on R&D
Intel for FY 06 spent 5.9 B on R&D
Intel is outspending AMD ~4.89:1
It isn't always about R&D as a % of revenue, that only gets you a fraction of the picture. Don't distort AMD's problems.
R-e-a-d-i-n-g c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-s-i-o-n i-s y-o-u-r f-r-i-e-n-d.
This looks like a CGI picture to me. Maybe it will be featured in the next big blockbuster animated film.
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AMD spent 28.7% of their total 2006 revenue on R&D. Intel spent 16.6% of their total revenue on R&D - even so - outspending AMD 2.5 to 1.
For the long-term benefit of us all let's hope the AMD investment pays off . . .
AMD for FY06 spent 1.205 B on R&D
Intel for FY 06 spent 5.9 B on R&D
Intel is outspending AMD ~4.89:1
It isn't always about R&D as a % of revenue, that only gets you a fraction of the picture. Don't distort AMD's problems.
R-e-a-d-i-n-g c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-s-i-o-n i-s y-o-u-r f-r-i-e-n-d.
Apparently respect and math aren't your friends either.
AMD spent 21.33% (1205/5649) of FY06 Revenue on R&D, which includes ATI from Oct 25 to Dec 31. I am not sure where you get this 2.5:1 and 28.7% from. The 416M of "In process research and dev" can't be counted because it is a paper write off related to the ATI acquisition and is not classified as R&D.
I agree with opterondo, AMD screwed up with their R&D and got complacent. Gross margin increased more than 65% from FY 03 to FY 04 and yet R&D increased ~9.5%. FY 04 to 05 there was an inline increase of R&D with GM. FY 05 to 06 there was a ~17% increase in GM and a 5% increase in R&D.
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This I agree with. Without AMD, the market could stagnate to an extent.
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What if the chip were actually that big? 8O
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AMD spent 28.7% of their total 2006 revenue on R&D. Intel spent 16.6% of their total revenue on R&D - even so - outspending AMD 2.5 to 1.
For the long-term benefit of us all let's hope the AMD investment pays off . . .
AMD for FY06 spent 1.205 B on R&D
Intel for FY 06 spent 5.9 B on R&D
Intel is outspending AMD ~4.89:1
It isn't always about R&D as a % of revenue, that only gets you a fraction of the picture. Don't distort AMD's problems.
R-e-a-d-i-n-g c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-s-i-o-n i-s y-o-u-r f-r-i-e-n-d.
Apparently respect and math aren't your friends either.
AMD spent 21.33% (1205/5649) of FY06 Revenue on R&D, which includes ATI from Oct 25 to Dec 31. I am not sure where you get this 2.5:1 and 28.7% from. The 416M of "In process research and dev" can't be counted because it is a paper write off related to the ATI acquisition and is not classified as R&D.
I agree with opterondo, AMD screwed up with their R&D and got complacent. Gross margin increased more than 65% from FY 03 to FY 04 and yet R&D increased ~9.5%. FY 04 to 05 there was an inline increase of R&D with GM. FY 05 to 06 there was a ~17% increase in GM and a 5% increase in R&D.
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This I agree with. Without AMD, the market could stagnate to an extent.Apparently, somewhere in there was some R&D on an arch. that they ended up scrapping. Ouch! :?
My guess is mobile GPU.
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What if the chip were actually that big? 8O
MEGACOMPUTER
Beyond that, these pictures look too much like something someone in a mechanical drawing class could produce.
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it could look like Dog-scat for all I care, as long as it performs... that being said, 'where the hell are the benchmarks' was undoubtedly to follow...
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Well, at the moment, it proves that AMD has a functioning camera.
??????? That may be giving them a bit too much credit. It may only prove that they have a functioning graphics program and someone who knows how to use it.
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Cmon now man.....AMD....smarter by design.
Theyve been wisely spending their money on executive marketing directors and publicity. Investing in that R&D stuff only pays for better products.
http://www.dailytech.com/Kanter+AM [...] le7338.htm
Here's another really big one
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Cmon now man.....AMD....smarter by design.
Theyve been wisely spending their money on executive marketing directors and publicity. Investing in that R&D stuff only pays for better products.
And we all know where that got them...
Hahahaha, you gotta love "estimated" benchmarks. Especially when the program they're "estimating" is SPEC. A big slow clap for AMD.....
The estimates show 2.6GHz Barcelona with 20% advantage in INT and 50% in FP compared to 2.66GHz X5355.
http://media.corporate-ir.net/medi [...] shanew.pdf
Updated scores would diminish that lead in INT from 20% to 2% (2.6GHz vs 2.66GHz). On a raw basis, a 3GHz Clovertown would beat a 2.6GHz Barcelona by 4%. FP on Intel's side doesn't look like it's going anywhere, at least not with 65nm.
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