Can I get (and use) DirectX 10 without Vista??

No.

at the moment.....no

in the future....who knows....maybe yes...most likely no.

no there isn't a flawless way, however there are hacks/rumors floating around that you can use the DX10 SDK on windows xp to let you run some DX10 stuff

Theres some group that i think was mentioned in some newsletter from cnet or some such site, anyway some real site not an inquirer type one. I went over to take a look and they have set up Direct X10 to work in a wrapper. That said, i say work ..it doesn't actualy do anything at the moment. They have the files etc for download. If only i can remember the link. Anyway I think it will be the case like emulators will need a far more powerful machine to run the thing in a non Vista OS, than with Vista for the same results.

theres also some proyects to "emulate" or bring the feactures of directX10 under the next revision of Opengl.

nope u can't use DX10 in XP

why would you want to? we all know that wether you like it or not your going to get vista eventually anyway

actually its possible to play vista only games on not a vista os, so all in all yes, but u wont have the dx10 effects if u dont have the hardware for it

that's how MICROSOFT is FORCING users to pay even more - for a slower, bloated, less functional program

no vista - no dx10 candy, biaaa
that's what you do when you have a monopoly

ima stick with my dx9 and probably replay some of the older classics -screw paying $600+ so i can have sweet shadows, ...

I'm not quite sure where you got $600 from. There are plenty of legal ways to get vista for free (I use the MSDN-AA, but another way is to find a friend with it pre-installed who wants XP, let him install xp with your key and you install vista with his).

If you meant the GPU, I'm sure the bulk of people buying dx10 cards are doing so for their excellent dx9 performance or video decoding. Since you're going to upgrade eventually anyway, you may as well get a dx10 card when you do.

Oh yeah, nobody is FORCING you to do anything.

sorry, you are wrong.

dx9.0L was some code-name for early dx10 development (like a "dx10 beta" )

what you are reffering to is some RUMOR that was started back in october 2006 that said Microsoft was going to release a patch so people could play dx10 games on XP... no f-bomb way - THEY GONNA BLEED YOU DRY!!

hahaha - people actually think Microsoft is "for the user"?
wake up, son.


sources:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video [...] 04034.html

where does the $600 figure come from?

Windows Vista Ultimate (the version you want)- $358

8800 GTS 320mb - cheapest - $270-ish

oh you're right - it's more like $650 after shipping... and that's using prices from ONLINE, NOT RETAIL.

disingenous, eh?


most people use xp pro, sir, NOT XP HOME or XP MEDIA CENTER EDITION

take a poll if you want
why? because it works better. cause thats how MICROSOFT takes your money

you probably also believe Vista Home runs faster too, huh?

Only differences I've ever seen between XP home and pro are the ability to join a domain, number of pc to share a folder to and advanced folder security. Never noticed anything diffreent between the 2 for gaming(if have single cpu) vid drivers/settings etc the same.
The reason Pro sold so many more is because any office that uses server for domain/Active Directory had to have it and business is a large proportion of pc sales.

i still use xp home cause it came with the pc 4 years ago...lol.

havnt had any issues with it.

It can. Grow up.

I agree. The only problem I have had is with BF2142. For some reason I just doesn't want to run on my system under Vista, otherwise everything else has run fine.

As far as DX10 on XP... not going to happen anytime soon. Bite the bullet and move on. If you want Xp you get DX 9, if you want DX 10 you get Vista, that's it.

For the same reason you bought your 7600GT to play DX9 games with marginally better graphics at half the framerate of their DX8 counterparts. Nobody's forcing you to get anything; if it's not worth your money, don't get it. Just don't complain about that you can't play certain games when they come out, as, if it were really worth your while, you would have upgraded your system.

how many fps is "just fine" and at what settings?

^ that is definitively why im not upgrading to vista, games wont make me upgrade to that pathetic os, if anything ill install it on a separate hd, and put the games on an external drive with that os(using esata it should be fast) so if anything It might work in dual boot , thats the closest ill ever want to get to have anythign to do with vista, there will be no way that I will make vista my primary os lol, lol i even thought about going to the dark side.....err mandrake land, lol since there is such an increase in support lately for linux , hail (...whatever was the name of that program was that allows for porting windows games to linux .... got it , i think it was called whine, or wine, and there was also swordfish )

fight fight fight