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>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:51:15 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>
>wrote:
>
>>>No idea what you were doing wrong, then. Even level? Accolades?
>>>*shrug* Yeah, his big hit hurt, but I survived. Pop reconstruction,
>>>and there was no worry.
>>
>>There's nothing wrong you can do when he kills you in one shot.
>
>Well, it's either that or you're lying. Answer the questions.
Usually it's me at the same level since that's how missions have always
worked (unless the mob type has a minimum level higher than that.)
In the case of Infernal, I think I was 46 at the time and he was 48 -
this was the first mission from the only contact I had open.
>>>MAYBE if you were careless. Reconstruction can turn close calls into
>>>survival easily.
>>
>>When I first met Nosferatu it wasn't my mission. A SG-mate had called
>>for help, I and 2 other scrappers from the SG responded.
>>Turned out it wasn't the SG-mates missions, but someone else entirely.
>>
>>Anyway we go, 3 scrappers, plus various others that were already there
>>and Nosferatu killed EVERYONE.
>>
>>I don't know if he got turned down with issue3, but at that point he
>>could do pretty heavy damage pretty fast.
>
>I've heard stories of full wipes with nearly any AV. *shrug*
Unless you have people substantially higher level and preferable no
melee types for him to leech, he's a major bitch. He moves fast and he
hits very, very hard.
The only way MY nosferatu mission got cleared was with the help of a
level 50 blaster who could not only zap him from range, he could tesla
cage him to stop him getting to melee range. I was essentially useless
in the fight since I could only hit him at a range at which he could
leech from me and he could leech a lot more than the damage i'd do.
I had this mission for a friggen week before I got someone to help.
>>>Perhaps the real issue isn't so much being able to solo-kill AVs as
>>>being able to tank them better than most tanks can. Combined with far
>>>superior damage output to most tanks (Only exception being fire, but
>>>burn tankers are broken), yes, there is an issue of being overpowered.
>>
>>You seem to be forgetting energy melee, that does damage similar to MA
>>on the low end and VASTLY more with it's top 2 attacks.
>
>Odd that, if it's such a high damage tanker secondary, it's the rarest
>used. End cost, perhaps? If the end cost is prohibitive, then its
>sustained damage output is lower.
It's not rarely used at all, it's very common since it's very powerful.
But, it only has one AOE, so the power levelers don't use it.
ANd it's not listed as the fasted leveling tank type (fire is) so
they'll always go fire.
On victory i'm seeing fire tankers _everywhere_, it's like a plague.
The inv/em tanker I made SHOT through levels faster than an ma/reg could
ever hope to. I only stopped playing it for two reasons 1. Because
it's a small toon, the one-size-fits-all auras are blinding when stacked
(since the core is white and the edge is multicolored - the toon has a
good solid 1.5-2 game feet of solid, blinding white aura around her with
stacked shields.) and 2. Not really wanting to play an invuln through
the every-thing-is-psi 40s.
>>>Because people focus so much on raw damage that they ignore things
>>>such as accuracy buff, status attacks, and so forth. MA may be weak on
>>>raw damage, but it most certainly is not weak overall. There is still
>>>a variance in power level of the primaries, but it's not all that
>>>great. Some variation is good, lets people who want a bit more of a
>>>challenge have it. Too much, however, is bad.
>>
>>I beg to differ. I've played literally dozens of different MA builds up
>>to 20 and ran one up to 50.
>
>Up to 20 is nothing, frankly. Unless you've played other builds in the
>high end, you cannot say that you know firsthand that MA is
>underpowered compared to the rest in the high end.
>
>>MA is seriously underpowered.
>>Build up does not change that.
>>Infrequent disorients do not change that.
>
>Eagle's Claw disorients with nearly every attack that I've used it.
Except of course it _doesn't_ work on bosses unless stacked, and they
changed TK's disorient to make that MUCH harder.
>>In the dream world the Devs live in, the lack of power is "balanced" by
>>the chance to disorient.
>>This might actually be true if disorient actually disabled mobs instead
>>of letting them flee at high speed and jump insane heights.
>>
>>It's not an advantage to be fighting something and suddenly have it
>>INSTANTLY flee out of range of the next hit.
>
>This RARELY happens in my experience.
How nice for you, that doesn't stop it happening.
This has been a problem since day 1 that the devs have refused to
address.
When a player is disoriented we can barely move at all, but mobs aren't
under any such restriction and often have runspeed and jump height they
don't normally have.
It is flat out not an advantage to give your enemy abilities it doesn't
normally have, especially if those abilities let it flee out of range.
The fact that mobs can stand inside each other, hit and walk through
each other is also a problem.
Hit mob x, disorienting him and he turns and runs through his pals, that
you can't pass through. This happened to me inv/em tank all the time.
>>Now those "advantages" are even less realistic since TK no longer has a
>>100% mag 1 stun, but a much less frequent one of higher magnitude.
>>
>>The only scrapper set that's possibly weaker than MA is claws, and it at
>>least has the advantage of more than one non-single target attack and a
>>ranged attack.
>
>Claw is WEAK?! Per hit, sure. But it's fast as hell.
That's why I said "possibly" because each hit is weak at base and thus
ends up weak when enhanced.
>>Crippling Axe Kick, a level 18 slower activating version of TK, with an
>>immobilize and a slow that only affects movement speed.
>
>Rather nice for stopping runners.
Yeah, great, as long as you use it on the guy who is planning to run.
>>Dragonclaw - a level 26 AOE version of TK - the level 1 attack.
>
>....AOE. Exactly.
You missed the point. WEAK AOE - it does no more damage than the level
1 thunderkick. For a level 26 power this is astoundingly weak.
>>Eagle's Claw, a level 32 slow, flashy attack that does only marginally
>>more damage than crane kick, a level 8 attack.
>
>Marginally?! It does at least 50% more damage. That's far from
>"marginally". Plus you fail to mention the VERY frequent stun.
Check your numbers. Do you have it slotted the same as crane kick?
I had them slotted the same, and the difference in raw damage was more
like 30%, with longer animation and recharge times, making it only
marginally higher in DPS.
>>The whole upper end of the MA set is a joke compared to the other sets.
>>
>>For a set that's almost entirely single target, it's woefully
>>underpowered.
>>
>>How is a single target set supposed to be balanced with the other multi
>>target sets unless it's single target attacks do more damage?
>
>Hitting significantly more often. That 10% accuracy bonus that you
>fail to mention. Makes a noticeable difference against higher level
>mobs.
The 10% bonus is a joke and it sure as hell made no noticeable
difference.
There was NO difference in the hits that thunderkick (with the bonus)
and Air Superiority (without the bonus) landed.
>>>All in all, most fights with regen are trivial. Yes, even in the 40+
>>>game. Aside from having to call in help for AVs, there's no challenge
>>>even at my level 48. And the AVs aren't a matter of challenge, just a
>>>matter of insufficient damage output.
>>
>>Then you must not have met most of the ones I listed that would
>>insta-kill you.
>>
>>That's a bit more than just "insufficient damage output.'
>
>No, I've met them. THey didn't insta-kill me. You're either
>exaggerating, or flat-out lying about your encounter or build.
>Something is wrong if you're getting insta-killed by them because I'm
>not. You claim to have tough and res fully slotted. I have tough
>slotted and res only with a couple slots. We both have DP. In theory,
>I should be getting 1-shotted more often than you going by your
>statements. Yet, oddly, I'm surviving AVs you claim can 1-shot you.
>Curious.
Most of them can 1 or two shot a regen, because there's no defense and
almost no resistance.
You also seem to be teaming your AVs judging by what you said before.
>Quit whining. Regen scrappers tank better than most tanks. That's just
>plain wrong. The nerfs are needed and, in fact, don't have a very
>large effect on normal gameplay as they stand now on Test. Missions
>can still be -EASILY- soloed on Invincible. To me, that says
>everything's just fine and dandy.
As I said before, the only reason regen ever _seemed_ to tank better
than a tanker, is cryptic's cheap shot mobs with powers INTENDED to
render certain tanker types powerless and the ones that hadn't been
finished that had untyped and therefor unresistable damage.
This doesn't make regen a better tank, it just means it's not affected
by a deliberate handicap aimed at invuln tanks.
This is ALWAYS going to be true, no matter how many times the Devs
adjust regen.
To put it another way, even Dazzler could beat up Lex Luthor while Lex
has Superman powerless with some kryptonite - this doesn't make Dazzler
more powerful than Superman.
>This all simply reminds me of the /dev blasters who said that /dev was
>useless when Smoke Grenade was fixed. They said the same about
>Caltrops before that. Yet, oddly enough, /dev is still considered the
>most powerful blaster secondary. It's the classic knee-jerk whining
>turning a molehill into Everest.
This has nothing to do with /dev and smoke grenade which was doing 10x
more than it had been designed to do.
Regen on the other hand, was working as they had designed it.
Cryptic aren't just doing what they did to invuln scrappers and capping
off the regen rate.
They're diddling the enhancements so you have to slot just as heavily
for substantially less effect.
And it's not like this is the first time - they already "adjusted" regen
and pronounced them balanced and fixed with issue 3.
But regen still throws a glaring spotlight on the 40+ mobs that are
tuned to screw the various other tanker and scrapper types.
Mobs that are _intended_ to force people to team - not AVs, not Giant
Monsters, normal critters designed to be unbeatable by various ATs.
Only Regen isn't affected by the cheap shot mob-types, by it's very
design of not having resists or defenses but healing after the fact.
The real question is: Why is the 40+ game just packed with cheap shot
mob types when the 1-39 game isn't?
Autohit attack powers and auras and Acc boosters to defeat the defence
oriented scrappers and tanks.
Unresistible damage types to defeat the resistance tanks.
If Cryptic doesn't intend to force people to team, why are these mob
types ubiquitous throughout the last 10 levels?
Xocyll
--
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