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June 8, 2007 12:30:13 AM

hey and good day.im in the looks of buying a new cpu but am not sure on what to get.im thinking of getting a e6600 but then seen that a new core will come out next month called the e6850.how much better are these e6850's going to be compared to the e6600's?should i wait which i can or just pick up the e6600 now if the difference between is not that big?also what type of memory does these two use ddr2 for e6600 and ddr3 for e6850?how much of a difference would the ddr3 make for gaming?plus i dont plan on overclocking either.thx for any info.

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June 8, 2007 1:52:33 AM

You should wait, if only because the e6600's price is going to fall that time as well. The q6600 will be available for the price of today's e6600 as well, making it an even more difficult choice.

As which one of those three?

In my experience, most modern games will not bottleneck on the CPU at 2.4 GHz with a Core 2 Duo processor until the framerate reaches truly impressive rates. Even with Oblivion, you won't even get close to having the CPU cap out with a e6600. For normal gaming, chances are good spending the extra money on a graphics card instead will provide better performance.

However, the q6600 provides some bonuses for those who do significant multitasking, and with Intel, AMD, and Sony all pushing toward many-cored systems, future games may be designed with three or four threads.

DDR3 data is a bit difficult to get by, but from what I can find on Anandtech and here, it looks like the new style is vastly more efficient. That said, DDR3 memory is currently both slow and very expensive, so it may be worth avoiding until it leaves the bleeding edge.

IMO, it will make a difference for gaming in some configurations, but at current time this advantage is not large enough to justify the cost necessary.
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June 8, 2007 7:12:50 AM

E6600 runs at 2.4Ghz 1066 fsb, while the upcoming E6850 is 1333 fsb and i believe runs at 3.0Ghz which is faster than the current X6800 at 2.93Ghz 1066 fsb

any core2 duo's ending with 50 are the new 1333 fsb chips, possibly the new 45nano chips with extra cache, and u need a motherboard that supports 1333 fsb to handle these new cpu's

mothboards that supports 1333 fsb are:-
intel's upcoming G33, P35, X38 chipsets
current nvidia's nforce 650i and 680i chipsets

unless u have an nvidia board now that takes 1333 fsb cpu's your ok, but if u have intel 945, 965 or 975, u might need to stay with the 1066 fsb core2 duo's/quad's otherwise u might have to buy a new board if u want to upgrade to the new 1333 fsb core2 duo's - i would say stick with the 1066 fsb cpu's and get the best one that your board can handle

the new versions of the core2 duo's that'll come out next month will be 6550(2.33Ghz), 6750(2.66Ghz) and 6850(3.0ghz)

its true the prices are dropping at the same time as the new chips come out, there was a mention somewhere here that the E6850 3.0Ghz 1333 fsb will be $266, and the current quad core Q6600 2.4Ghz 1066 fsbwill be reduced to $266 as well
June 8, 2007 8:22:46 AM

if your mbo can handle 500fsb go with the 6850

if your using a 650i mobo with a 375 limit use the e6600
June 8, 2007 8:23:01 AM

if your mbo can handle 500fsb go with the 6850

if your using a 650i mobo with a 375 limit use the e6600
June 8, 2007 10:22:50 AM

Well my Asus 965 P5B says on the box that can support the upcoming 1333 processors...

Agreed on everything else.
June 8, 2007 10:37:36 AM

ok so what the hell is a q6600, is at 1333mhz effective fsb or got a woodcrest mount of cache.

nearly then i thought itels naming system was understandable, why they dont just give the a number in terms of performance, ow well
June 8, 2007 10:55:36 AM

q6600 is a quad core chip kinda like 2 e6600s each core running at 2.4 ghz with overall fsb of 1066.
June 8, 2007 11:15:45 AM

ok thanks that make more sense i guess, so will the e6850, that dual core then running at...?
June 8, 2007 11:21:34 AM

it runs at 3.0ghz, so it'll probably be faster for applications that don't use a lot of threads, but eventually programs will start to need more cores so maybe getting a q6600 is a good idea. i was thinking about which to get since im also building a system and i decided to go the quad route because once more programs/games come out that support more cores then it will show a distinct advantage (or so im told), also with some good cooling you can probably get the q6600 to 3.0ghz (although you could probably get the 6850 much higher than that)
June 8, 2007 2:34:08 PM

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ok thanks that make more sense i guess, so will the e6850, that dual core then running at...?


e6600 = Two cores, each running at 2.4 GHz stock. 4 MB of L2 cache, FSB at 1066 MT/s

e6850 = Two cores, each running at 3.0 GHz stock. 4 MB of L2 cache, FSB at 1333 MT/s

q6600 = Four cores, each running at 2.4 GHz stock. 2 shares of 4 MB of L2 cache, FSB at 1066.

Wikipedia has a list of current and future Core2Duo products that I strongly recommend using if the numbering scheme confuses you.
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June 8, 2007 3:44:17 PM

OK, since you can wait then do wait, it's just a month and a half.

I'd get a q6600 at the end of July. The e6850 will beat the q6000 by 10% or whatever in most things today, but a year from now the q6600 will wipe the floor with the e6850 because programs will start taking advantage of cores #3 and #4. They will have the same price after July. If you're not overclocking these two are your best choices.
June 8, 2007 4:47:52 PM

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if your mbo can handle 500fsb go with the 6850

if your using a 650i mobo with a 375 limit use the e6600


i have an ASUS P5N-E SLI nforce 650i SLI mobo that supports 1333 fsb for future cpu's
June 8, 2007 4:57:51 PM

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if only because the e6600's price is going to fall that time as well.


I could be wrong but I think the E6600 prices might do the same as the E6300 and 6400 are right now, staying close to their replacement. I haven't seen any indications of a significant decrease in E6600 prices after July 22. I have been contemplating this question as well and I think the best road would be to go with the Q6600 after July 22. It might be slightly slower at stock than the E6850 in some things but the difference in games won't be noticable and it would be a better multi-tasker. And in time you will be happy you opted for the 4 cores.
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June 8, 2007 5:20:17 PM

Here's the price list. Oops, it looks like the E6600 will be discontinued. I doubt it will be missed, at these prices for the quads 8O


Current prices:
QX6800 (8M L2 cache 2.93 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $1,199
QX6700 (8M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $999
X6800 (4M L2 cache 2.93 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $999
Q6600 (8M L2 cache 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $530
E6700 (4M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $316
E6600 (4M L2 cache 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $224
E6420 (4M L2 cache 2.13 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $183
E6320 (4M L2 cache 1.86 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $163
E4400 (2M L2 cache 2.00 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $133
E4300 (2M L2 cache 1.80 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $113

July 22
Q6700 (8M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $530
Q6600 (8M L2 cache 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $266
E6850 (4M L2 cache 3.00 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $266
E6750 (4M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $183
E6550 (4M L2 cache 2.33 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $163
E6540 (4M L2 cache 2.33 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $163
E4500 (2M L2 cache 2.20 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $133
E4400 (2M L2 cache 2.00 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $113
June 8, 2007 5:28:23 PM

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Here's the price list. Oops, it looks like the E6600 will be discontinued. I doubt it will be missed, at these prices for the quads 8O


Current prices:
QX6800 (8M L2 cache 2.93 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $1,199
QX6700 (8M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $999
X6800 (4M L2 cache 2.93 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $999
Q6600 (8M L2 cache 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $530
E6700 (4M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $316
E6600 (4M L2 cache 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $224
E6420 (4M L2 cache 2.13 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $183
E6320 (4M L2 cache 1.86 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $163
E4400 (2M L2 cache 2.00 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $133
E4300 (2M L2 cache 1.80 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $113

July 22
Q6700 (8M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $530
Q6600 (8M L2 cache 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $266
E6850 (4M L2 cache 3.00 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $266
E6750 (4M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $183
E6550 (4M L2 cache 2.33 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $163
E6540 (4M L2 cache 2.33 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $163
E4500 (2M L2 cache 2.20 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $133
E4400 (2M L2 cache 2.00 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $113


u missed a couple:- July 22
QX6850 (8M L2 cache 3.00 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $999 approx.
QX6800 (8M L2 cache 2.93 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $999 approx.
June 8, 2007 5:30:29 PM

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I could be wrong but I think the E6600 prices might do the same as the E6300 and 6400 are right now, staying close to their replacement.


They will not likely be produces after the new processors are released, but there will certainly be stocks remaining for some time, particularly in larger wholesale companies.

With the e6750 running 0.26 GHz per processor faster than the e6600 and selling for 183 USD, it's highly unlikely that e6600 prices at 220 USD would ever sell. Assuming normal economics and no flaws in the e6550's and e6750's design, and the improvements shown by the p35 series of chipset, I think we'd expect the e6600 to at least under 200 USD. ~173 USD might be overly optimistic given the lower FSB requirements and 'free' overclock a e6600 would experience in 1333FSB motherboard, but I'd be amazed to see it go far above that.
June 8, 2007 5:42:29 PM

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Here's the price list. Oops, it looks like the E6600 will be discontinued. I doubt it will be missed, at these prices for the quads 8O


Current prices:
QX6800 (8M L2 cache 2.93 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $1,199
QX6700 (8M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $999
X6800 (4M L2 cache 2.93 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $999
Q6600 (8M L2 cache 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $530
E6700 (4M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $316
E6600 (4M L2 cache 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $224
E6420 (4M L2 cache 2.13 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $183
E6320 (4M L2 cache 1.86 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $163
E4400 (2M L2 cache 2.00 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $133
E4300 (2M L2 cache 1.80 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $113

July 22
Q6700 (8M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $530
Q6600 (8M L2 cache 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $266
E6850 (4M L2 cache 3.00 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $266
E6750 (4M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $183
E6550 (4M L2 cache 2.33 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $163
E6540 (4M L2 cache 2.33 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $163
E4500 (2M L2 cache 2.20 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $133
E4400 (2M L2 cache 2.00 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) $113


nice prices for the 7/22 chips but wouldn't it still be a good idea to wait for the Penryn models with the 45nm cores and 6M L2 for the duals and 23M for the Quads?

I think I'll wait for those seeing as how even my current lowly E6400 can run 3.6Ghz on an 1800Mhz FSB.

I can't wait for the 45nm OC'ing adventures..... :twisted: (mad scientist laugh)
June 8, 2007 5:45:35 PM

oops, I meant 12M L2 for the quads..., 23M, where did that come from????
June 8, 2007 5:48:02 PM

Many 975x boards and P965 boards already have support for 1333FSB CPU's, but are NOT capable of handling a 45nm chip. P35, G33, x38 chipsets will handle these new processors and the 45nm processors start out at 1333FSB.
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June 8, 2007 5:51:56 PM

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July 22
Q6700 (8M L2 cache 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $530
Q6600 (8M L2 cache 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $266


u missed a couple:- July 22
QX6850 (8M L2 cache 3.00 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 65nm) $999 approx.
QX6800 (8M L2 cache 2.93 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 65nm) $999 approx.

Sorry, didn't realize. That being said, those two don't sound so tempting. A q6600 with two 8800 GTX cards sounds better than a QX6850 with one 8800 GTX card, and it's even cheaper...
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June 8, 2007 5:53:07 PM

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oops, I meant 12M L2 for the quads..., 23M, where did that come from????


Wishful thinking :lol:  :lol: 
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June 8, 2007 5:56:24 PM

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nice prices for the 7/22 chips but wouldn't it still be a good idea to wait for the Penryn models with the 45nm cores and 6M L2 for the duals and 23M for the Quads?

(mad scientist laugh)


Yeah, it would be a good idea. However, for somebody who just finished paying off the mortgage and really really hates his Pentium 3/MX 4000 and will have $4000 in the bank in August, wouldn't you say August is a good time to build a new rig :twisted:
June 8, 2007 6:10:52 PM

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nice prices for the 7/22 chips but wouldn't it still be a good idea to wait for the Penryn models with the 45nm cores and 6M L2 for the duals and 23M for the Quads?

(mad scientist laugh)


Yeah, it would be a good idea. However, for somebody who just finished paying off the mortgage and really really hates his Pentium 3/MX 4000 and will have $4000 in the bank in August, wouldn't you say August is a good time to build a new rig :twisted:

Your ready!

August, is that when the Penny's drop???, cause I'm ready, debts be damned!!..., anyone need a used E6400... :lol: 
June 8, 2007 6:16:36 PM

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but wouldn't it still be a good idea to wait for the Penryn models with the 45nm cores and 6M L2


There is always something better right around the corner that's the way this industry is. Just close your eyes, hit buy and don't look back.
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June 8, 2007 6:51:50 PM

I heard something like Q1 2008 for Penryn. Intel might finish it earlier, but don't get your hopes up too much. In the meantime the X38 chipset will have (most of) its bugs ironed out and nVidia will finish the 9800 cards (by Christmas, as the rumour goes). Not bad at all...
June 8, 2007 7:02:43 PM

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I heard something like Q1 2008 for Penryn. Intel might finish it earlier, but don't get your hopes up too much. In the meantime the X38 chipset will have (most of) its bugs ironed out and nVidia will finish the 9800 cards (by Christmas, as the rumour goes). Not bad at all...


I'm pretty sure my 680iSLI will do a Penryn as it has a wide range of voltages and FSB options so i think I'm OK on that. As for the 9800, if they are an awesome GPU I will Ebay out my 8800GTX's one at a time replacing them with two 9800's in the process.
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