Howcome HDTV wall mounts are so expensive.

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They look like about $5.00 of metal and a few minutes with an electric
arc welder.

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Scribner <walter3ca@yahoo.com> wrote:

>They look like about $5.00 of metal and a few minutes with an electric
>arc welder.

Liability insurance?


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Are you guys really that naive about the amount of engineering,
manufacturing tooling, packaging, marketing and distribution costs
associated with any product, let alone a product that is made to
specifically and precisely interact with another product that is worth
thousands of dollars. Do you think that it is merely "$5.00 of metal and a
few minutes with an electric
arc welder"? SO if we assume that route, then what is stopping anyone with
a $500.oo welder from sears and some scrap metal from making their own and
hoping that not only will it support their tv for years but also look good,
not rust, interact with various wall conditions, be totally deburred so no
cables get snagged, and have welds that are good enough to be xrayed for
proper penetration. Come on....use your head man. I guess that a plasma tv
is nothing more than "a pile of plastic and some electronics parts from old
computers".

jason b

"Scribner" <walter3ca@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> They look like about $5.00 of metal and a few minutes with an electric
> arc welder.

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"Pagan" <DirtySanchez@chonch.com> wrote in message
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> Do you seriously think some guy is sitting around with an X-ray machine
> looking at TV mounts? Since when do you need to X-ray something to make
> sure it's strong? Cars, skyscrapers, bridges, all have been built without
> the need for all that.

Sanchez, nice mustache,
Lately I have noticed lots of welding being checked by a guy with some dye
and a special light (black light?). I started seeing it on construction
shows on TV and have noticed it in actual use lately around town. Actually,
there is a guy sitting around doing this stuff, though not exactly xray.

--Dan

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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 05:05:53 GMT, Scribner <walter3ca@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>They look like about $5.00 of metal and a few minutes with an electric
>arc welder.

$40-$50 would seem about right to me. But the over $100 prices are
as overpiced as Monster cables. Then again it's what the market will
bear not what it costs to manufacture and sell.

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> Quit reading all the marketing hype. It'll rot your brain and make you
> buy
> Monster Cables and such.
>
> Pagan

A Superb post. Amen brother



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In article <g4o001hp4iq18fhu8i8am2legbkrlnv9r5@4ax.com>,
Scribner <walter3ca@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >They are. Nothing is stopping you from making one.
> >
> >
> Actually, there is. I don't have an arc welder and I'm not going to
> buy one for one little job.

Rent the arc welder for a day or so. <g>

--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.

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In article <o6idnSTbcJRWSJ_fRVn-sw@giganews.com>, sdonahue@cinci.rr.com
says...
> It's way simpler. Spare parts are priced high. Things that have to work
> with other things cost a lot, because they carry the sum of the failures of
> themselves (the part) and the parent (that they work with). In either of
> those cases, they're trash.

This is true in the case of several things, like the buttons on car
stereo head units, or a cicuit board in a TV, or the dash board fittings
in a car.

It would apply to HDTV wall mounts only if mounts tie very exactly to an
HDTV manufacturer, and model. Is that the case? Or are the mounts pretty
generic?

> An ordinary new Ford, priced at the cost of replacement parts and add-ons,
> is worth over $100,000.00.

And yet a 1 year old ford, in mint shape, has 90% of the replacement
parts available for the taking in good-as-new shape and costs 20% less
than the car did new.

>
> The Gillette principle: you got the razor, now the blades are really going
> to cost you.

The gillete principle in an entire market model. Gillete is in the
market of selling blades. The razors are just the near free 'membership
card' they use to get your brand loyalty.

Entry level printers are the same.

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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 07:05:38 GMT, Scribner <walter3ca@yahoo.com>
wrote:


>Home Despot rents an arc welder for $30.00 for 4 hours, or $42.00 for
>all day. Why a plasma cutter when I have a hack saw? And I would
>prefer steel.

Why not a couple of sturdy holes on the back of the set and two big
lag screws into a couple of studs ?

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In article <KW1Nd.912$UX3.14@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> "Frank
Provasek" <frank@frankcoins.com> writes:

>The wall mounts you buy have the cost of the lawsuits included when someone
>screws it into plain sheetrock and whole thing falls on the kid.

Urban legend, to an extent. True, the cost of product liability insurance
is built-in to the retail price (as it is with most products) but there is
the fine print found within the installation instructions where you will
see a disclaimer disavowing responsibility for accidents or injury or
damage arising out of misuse, improper installation, excessive weight
beyond rated specifications, etc.

A couple of lag screws into the wall studs simply is not enough support.
The weight must be equalized -vertically- over as large an expanse of
solid framing support as possible. I say "solid" because I have seen the
result of a disasterous installation where a do-it-yourself'er actually
hung a 65-lb TV set using oversized shelf brackets and anchored them into
the sheetrock using toggle bolts. Proof-positive that if common-sense was
dynamite there are those who don't have enough to blow their nose.

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In article <3ar9019fb16iu144dtpun6o7662b52b73j@4ax.com>, MrFixit@msn.com
says...
> In article <KW1Nd.912$UX3.14@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> "Frank
> Provasek" <frank@frankcoins.com> writes:
>
> >The wall mounts you buy have the cost of the lawsuits included when someone
> >screws it into plain sheetrock and whole thing falls on the kid.
>
> Urban legend, to an extent. True, the cost of product liability insurance
> is built-in to the retail price (as it is with most products) but there is
> the fine print found within the installation instructions where you will
> see a disclaimer disavowing responsibility for accidents or injury or
> damage arising out of misuse, improper installation, excessive weight
> beyond rated specifications, etc.

People will still sue. And it usually costs a bundle of money even if
the judge ultimately tosses the case(s) out.

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Pagan wrote:

<snip>

> Don't know if I would trust wood, which is silly, since it's going into a
> wall made of wood. Perhaps my mistrust of wood comes from my (lack of)
> carpentry skills. heh

Your walls are made of wood? Can you get fire insurance?

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Sparky wrote:
> Pagan wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Quit reading all the marketing hype. It'll rot your brain and make
>> you buy Monster Cables and such.
>
> Never, I'd sooner let my sister work in a whorehouse!!!

Or my brother ride a Honda.......

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Noozer wrote:
> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h4adnTlh6KGz84rfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>> Sparky wrote:
>>> Pagan wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Quit reading all the marketing hype. It'll rot your brain and make
>>>> you buy Monster Cables and such.
>>>
>>> Never, I'd sooner let my sister work in a whorehouse!!!
>>
>> Or my brother ride a Honda.......
>
> Sparky's sisters name is Honda?

No, Yama-ha-ha......