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June 13, 2007 12:18:07 AM

2900XT the engine they say couldn’t compete!

If you haven’t seen it yet, Techspot.com has a review on the Asus HD 2900XT. Looks like with updated drivers this card does just fine competing with 8800 GTS. Even competes with the GTX/Ultra. Also, notice it beats the GTX/Ultra on two marks. It’s funny how drivers can make a difference.

I believe 8800 is a nice card, but I think it’s only a High End “DX9” card (even though it’s a “DX10” card). When (High Pixel “DX10”) games start to show up it will be average card at best.

Now I know some will say NVIDIA will soon have their 8900 card soon, which I believe will be a true “DX10” card. It will also perform just fine and most likely will defeat the 2900XT /XTX, but AMD/ATI will have an answer to that card with possible driver updated for the XTX or a new card 2950?

I say when “DX10” becomes more mature the 2900 XT/XTX (thru drivers) will shine and compete with anything NVIDIA will offer in any game with high pixels.

Now as far as heat generated by the 2900XT, all should realize that with “320” shaders, it will generate some real heat, people will need to replace their “DX9” case and prepare yourself for “DX10”. (2X, 120MM fan minimum) maybe even one on the side of case. When NVIDIA shows off their 8900 card I bet it will generate some real serious heat just like the 2900.

Now the “8” pin power adapter, with such a powerful card it will take a “DX10” power supply. I wouldn’t be surprised that NVIDIA’s new true “DX10” card will also require the same.

For those who say AMD/ATI is 6-8 month’s late, late for what? I didn’t see any games or even MS Vista. Anyway you don’t need “DX10” for Vista.

I’ve been an INTEL / NVIDIA man since 1995. It’s time for a change to AMD/ATI because I believe their products will be exceptional for some time to come. (INTEL/NVIDIA also has and will have exceptional products)

I just purchased my 2900XT at Best Buy for $319.00 to replace my 6800.

KEEP THE COMPETITIVE SPIRT ALIVE!
June 13, 2007 12:46:06 AM

yuppers fanboy
June 13, 2007 12:56:22 AM

Good Point but a link to that article would be nice.
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June 13, 2007 12:57:51 AM

$319 from Best Buy??? 8O
June 13, 2007 1:05:02 AM

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$319 from Best Buy??? 8O


Wow that's a nice price.
June 13, 2007 1:12:45 AM

No shit 8O , must be a typo for $419
June 13, 2007 1:18:33 AM

I thought nvidia was gunna do a whole new series not a 8900. Pfft
June 13, 2007 1:21:57 AM

Thanks for opening my eyes. Finally i understand what DX10 is all about. The X2900XT continues what the G80 barely started.

Heat, Fans, Noise and Power!
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June 13, 2007 1:39:36 AM

First, heres the link.

I found this review tough to read/believe. First, they don't list any system specs. They make mention of needing to use a higher end PSU. They also fail to talk about the newer drivers that you mentioned. Assuming I read their charts correctly, I question some of the benchmarks results also. For exemple, the Stalker benchmark at lower res doesn't make sense. At 1280x1024 every card from the 320MB 8800GTS to the 8800Ultra scores almost the same amount. The delta is only 6.2FPS. This tells me that the game at that setting is encountering a bottleneck of some sort. (notice as the res goes up, so does the delta between the cards.) But somehow the 2900XT scores an extra ~40FPS??? Last, they fail to test with AA/AF enabled/disabled. Again, their charts are very bad.
June 13, 2007 1:40:01 AM

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$319 from Best Buy??? 8O

That's an awesome price.
June 13, 2007 1:51:45 AM

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$319 from Best Buy??? 8O

That's an awesome price.

Yea, was sold out in less than an hour too... I think they made a pricing boo-boo.
June 13, 2007 2:00:43 AM

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Test System Specifications
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.66GHz) LGA775

- x2 1024MB Crucial Ballistix Tracer 2GB PC2-6400 Module(s)

- ASUS Striker Extreme (nForce 680i SLI)

- OCZ GameXStream (700 watt)

- Seagate 250GB 7200RPM (Serial ATA II)

- ASUS GeForce 8800 GTS (320MB)
- Inno3D GeForce 7900GS (256MB)
- Gigabyte GeForce 7600GT (256MB)
- ASUS GeForce 8600GTS (256MB)
- ASUS GeForce 8600GT (256MB)

Software
- Microsoft Windows XP Pro (SP2)
- Nvidia Forceware (158.22)
- Nvidia Forceware (93.71)
- Nvidia nForce 680i SLI (9.53)

Under their Test System Specifications, why don't they list the Radeon, the 8800 GTS 640MB, 8800 GTX, or the 8800 Ultra? Nor do they list the driver versions they are using on the Radeon.
June 13, 2007 2:29:04 AM

They used the new nVidia Forceware drivers for the HD 2900XT, and asdfhg 8O 8O 8O it performed better than ATi's own drivers!










sarcasm
June 13, 2007 2:43:31 AM

And how much were you paid to make this post? Not that I am questioning your objectivity, but it kind of sounds like you are claiming that water runs uphill...
June 13, 2007 3:03:08 AM

first off... I wish people would stop insulting others for being a fan of a company... 99% of the time the idiot insulting the other watches nascar...what could be more pointless? oh, and ford...doesn't use any of that stuff in their real world cars... so shut up already about your ford... oh yeah, they don't even build the engines for half of their real world cars either...

next order of buisness. no need for a link to the article... copy and paste... he put everything but the "www" in there for ya. learn to copy and paste and browse a site.... lazy....

thirdly, yeah, buying from best buy is dumb, but if he's in a big city where a particular manufacturer of the card pushed their product... 80 bucks below isn't unheard of... or maybe ati pushed it there to get sales rolling... or best buy ate it in an ad to pull in customers...

fourth... slobgob... hahahahaha... yes, heat fans noise and power... what more could a man ask for?

lastly... there are places in the world where water does run uphill...honestly... i've seen it... so don't make dumb statements like that anymore.

ok... so hey, yeah, hd 2600... i can't wait.. if it's around 200 bones or less and kills the 7900gs, and the 8600gts... i'll buy it, even though it's not going to be compatible with my OS right away (ubuntu).
June 13, 2007 3:05:36 AM

$319 is a steal, although I think you're exaggerating how great the card really is.
June 13, 2007 3:07:55 AM

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... there are places in the world where water does run uphill...honestly... i've seen it...


I just seen that at Waterworld! LOL.
June 13, 2007 3:12:12 AM

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next order of buisness. no need for a link to the article... copy and paste... he put everything but the "www" in there for ya. learn to copy and paste and browse a site.... lazy....


We're not retarded buddy, Do you think there's only 1 article on that site and It's smack bang in the middle? no, it's not even on the front page, I asked for a Link so myself and everyone else who wants to see it doesn't have to dig through the whole techspot domain looking for the article. It's just commonsense to properly link an article that your basing an argument on.

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lastly... there are places in the world where water does run uphill...honestly... i've seen it... so don't make dumb statements like that anymore.


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June 13, 2007 3:36:55 AM

i didn't say you were retarded... i said "lazy" and a few others did post links... so i guess "impatient" would work too...

and yes.... there's a spot in the world where everything rolls uphill... it's due to the moon's gravity... kinda like the tides...

but if you know how to click on an article, and hit ctrl+f and type in a few letters you'll search through articles like mad... it's called being efficient. :-p haha... i was too tired to go look it up at the moment... so yeah, whatever. haha
June 13, 2007 3:45:19 AM

They only posted the links after I asked for it didn't they.

That makes sense, we're is it?

I did Control+f search the front page (www.techspot.com) once again I'm not retarded (or 'lazy') and the only mention of the 2900xt is that the 1Gb version is coming, I went down the bottom and clicked the last 50 articles index and Control+f'd again, once again, the article mentioned is not there.

Maybe we can't be bothered Searching through articles like mad, that's what the OP did so he should link us so we shouldn't all have to go through it. Your rage had no point other than the moon thing which was an analogy anyway.
June 13, 2007 4:07:40 AM

I'm not really sure what all the bickering is about.
It takes the meaning out of the thread. :?
I found the article refreshing in the fact that it’s another opinion about a products potential and that’s what we want.
It also puts the release and placement of the 2900XT in perspective competing with the 8800GTS and lesser GPU’s.
June 13, 2007 4:37:15 AM

They do list system specs. This is right off their page. Just saying for clearification, not to cause any trouble, i mean this in all due respect.

Test System Specifications
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.66GHz) LGA775

- x2 1024MB Crucial Ballistix Tracer 2GB PC2-6400 Module(s)

- ASUS Striker Extreme (nForce 680i SLI)

- OCZ GameXStream (700 watt)

- Seagate 250GB 7200RPM (Serial ATA II)

- ASUS GeForce 8800 GTS (320MB)
- Inno3D GeForce 7900GS (256MB)
- Gigabyte GeForce 7600GT (256MB)
- ASUS GeForce 8600GTS (256MB)
- ASUS GeForce 8600GT (256MB)

Software
- Microsoft Windows XP Pro (SP2)
- Nvidia Forceware (158.22)
- Nvidia Forceware (93.71)
- Nvidia nForce 680i SLI (9.53)
a c 173 U Graphics card
June 13, 2007 4:48:14 AM

Somebody already posted that. It still doesn't show any 8800GTX or better cards, nor does it list the AMD driver used. (which the OP said they used a newer one which lead to the better scores. I doubt this as the 7.5s are the newest and I think I saw a review which used beta 7.5s.) Again, I didn't see these computer specs listed in the article. I either missed it, or they are listed somewhere else on the site.
June 13, 2007 4:57:10 AM

Another ATI fanboi trying to make himself feel better by posting crappy reviews :lol: 

Want a REAL GFX.....Fork out the dosh and get the 8800GTX

Its what the 2600 never was, and never will be :twisted:

LIVE WITH IT 8)
June 13, 2007 5:31:55 AM

i would go for a 2900xt if the drivers made the card better than a 8800gts 640mb

a 8800gtx would not fit in my case (which i have madded alot so i would not want to replace it)
June 13, 2007 5:59:56 AM

at $320 USD the price: performance of the 2900XT is excellent, better than the 8800gts 320mb, so it would be a good idea to get it, but given that it is generally priced at around $400 i wouldn't. however, when i bought mine, initially bought mine as an investment, there was an offer that if you bought one, it was $375, if you bought 2 it was $600, so i bought 2, with intentions to sell the 2nd one, but my curiosity got the better of me and i'm glad, it performs very well in crossfire, and for games that it doesn't? just disable crossfire then?

NB: it is almost impossible to find a deal like that, if you do, snatch it, you could make some quick bucks or a cheap part, if you don't, just get an 8800gts/x
June 13, 2007 6:01:22 AM

in the tweak town article it said this " The good news is that ATI are really on the ball when it comes to drivers. It has been like this for a few years now and it only took a new set of drivers to really make the HD 2900 XT something worth having as far as we are concerned.

People all over the world now are recommending the HD 2900 XT over the 8800GTS 640MB and we are about to investigate why. ' NOW IS THIS TRUE? and no player hating.
June 13, 2007 6:23:26 AM

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I believe 8800 is a nice card, but I think it’s only a High End “DX9” card (even though it’s a “DX10” card). When (High Pixel “DX10”) games start to show up it will be average card at best.


What the freaking crap is that supposed to mean??

The 8800s ARE NOT DirectX9.0 cards, they are TRUE DirectX10 cards.

Stupid fanboys.
June 13, 2007 6:32:24 AM

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I believe 8800 is a nice card, but I think it’s only a High End “DX9” card (even though it’s a “DX10” card). When (High Pixel “DX10”) games start to show up it will be average card at best.


What the freaking crap is that supposed to mean??

The 8800s ARE NOT DirectX9.0 cards, they are TRUE DirectX10 cards.

Stupid fanboys.

did he say that they were not dx10 cards. i think not fanboy. and he is right they are better at dx9 than dx10.
June 13, 2007 6:35:42 AM

i think that what he means is that performance with drop when dx 10 comes into play however i think that is a given and the drop with happen across both ati and nvidia
June 13, 2007 6:36:10 AM

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I believe 8800 is a nice card, but I think it’s only a High End “DX9” card (even though it’s a “DX10” card). When (High Pixel “DX10”) games start to show up it will be average card at best.


What the freaking crap is that supposed to mean??

The 8800s ARE NOT DirectX9.0 cards, they are TRUE DirectX10 cards.

Stupid fanboys.

did he say that they were not dx10 cards. i think not fanboy. and he is right they are better at dx9 than dx10.

Yes, he says that they are just high-end DX9.0 cards and that when DX10 games start to show up, the 8800 series wont do very well.

Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The 8800s are TRUE DirectX10 cards and they support DX10 just as good, or better than the 2900XT.

The fact that they also do well in DX9.0 is irrelevent, and they do not do better in DX9.0 than DX10, because THEY ARE DX10 CARDS.
June 13, 2007 6:36:56 AM

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i think that what he means is that performance with drop when dx 10 comes into play however i think that is a given and the drop with happen across both ati and nvidia


No, he clearly says that the 8800 series is "DX9.0".

People like that should be shot.
June 13, 2007 6:39:52 AM

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' NOW IS THIS TRUE? and no player hating.


i wouldnt recommend it before. as soon i got mine, the 7.5 was released so i have no idea about the old drivers, but yeah,imo this card is really worth it at a gts price with a gtx performance and rising.
June 13, 2007 6:40:48 AM

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i think that what he means is that performance with drop when dx 10 comes into play however i think that is a given and the drop with happen across both ati and nvidia


No, he clearly says that the 8800 series is "DX9.0".

People like that should be shot.


again no read what he say he said it is only a high end dx9 card but average at dx 10 which by the way all 1st gen dx10 card would be so he is right.
June 13, 2007 6:42:59 AM

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i think that what he means is that performance with drop when dx 10 comes into play however i think that is a given and the drop with happen across both ati and nvidia


No, he clearly says that the 8800 series is "DX9.0".

People like that should be shot.
again no read what he say he said it is only a high end dx9 card but average at dx 10.

Hes saying that the 8800 is a DX9.0 card and that it doesnt support DX10 very well.

Thats bullshit.
June 13, 2007 6:47:01 AM

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did he say that they were not dx10 cards. i think not fanboy. and he is right they are better at dx9 than dx10.

EVERY card is better in previews DirectXs than newer ones! :roll:
BTW, awesome price for that DirectX10 heater/Coffee maker! :tongue:
Send us some benchi. :wink:
June 13, 2007 6:48:18 AM

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i think that what he means is that performance with drop when dx 10 comes into play however i think that is a given and the drop with happen across both ati and nvidia


No, he clearly says that the 8800 series is "DX9.0".

People like that should be shot.
again no read what he say he said it is only a high end dx9 card but average at dx 10.

Hes saying that the 8800 is a DX9.0 card and that it doesnt support DX10 very well.

Thats bullshit.


show me where he said all of that.
June 13, 2007 6:51:22 AM

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i think that what he means is that performance with drop when dx 10 comes into play however i think that is a given and the drop with happen across both ati and nvidia


No, he clearly says that the 8800 series is "DX9.0".

People like that should be shot.

have a read "I believe 8800 is a nice card, but I think it’s only a High End “DX9” card (even though it’s a “DX10” card). When (High Pixel “DX10”) games start to show up it will be average card at best. "

he clearly says that it is a dx 10 card just not a good one

i`m not saying that ati cards would be any better in dx10 and i`m not a fan boy i have had both ati and nvidia cards and have liked both same with intel and amd
June 13, 2007 6:52:09 AM

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People like that should be shot.

Best idea! :D 
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...i wouldn't recommend it before. as soon i got mine, the 7.5 was released so i have no idea about the old drivers, but yeah,imo this card is really worth it at a GTS price with a GTX performance and rising.

GTX performance and rising? 8O
F*ck! You ATI FanBoys really need some serious punishments!
June 13, 2007 6:52:49 AM

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i think that what he means is that performance with drop when dx 10 comes into play however i think that is a given and the drop with happen across both ati and nvidia


No, he clearly says that the 8800 series is "DX9.0".

People like that should be shot.
again no read what he say he said it is only a high end dx9 card but average at dx 10.

Hes saying that the 8800 is a DX9.0 card and that it doesnt support DX10 very well.

Thats bullshit.


show me where he said all of that.


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I believe 8800 is a nice card, but I think it’s only a High End “DX9” card



There, he says that "he believes" that the 8800 is a DX9.0 card.
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(even though it’s a “DX10” card).



Distorts himself, wich makes me think that he means that the 8800 is a DX9.0 card but that it also supports DX10 but not very well. That is bullshit.
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When (High Pixel “DX10”) games start to show up it will be average card at best.



High-Pixel? WTF?
He says that the 8800 will only have average performance in DX10 games, just because they are DX10, as to assume that he means that the 8800 dont support DX10 very well.

This guy is beyond bullshit.
June 13, 2007 6:53:54 AM

I wonder if the 1 gig version will have a higher range of overclockablilty then the 512 since its gonna be set a a higher speed from what ive been reading on the web, thats the gem im waiting on but the evga gtx ko acs3 keeps wispering in my ear. :tongue: lol
June 13, 2007 6:54:44 AM

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i think that what he means is that performance with drop when dx 10 comes into play however i think that is a given and the drop with happen across both ati and nvidia


No, he clearly says that the 8800 series is "DX9.0".

People like that should be shot.


he clearly says that it is a dx 10 card just not a good one


And I say that he should be shot for saying that. It will be an EXCELLENT card in DX10, just like it is in DX9.0. Thats because it is a "true" DX10 card and because it is a good DX10 card.
June 13, 2007 6:55:28 AM

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I wonder if the 1 gig version will have a higher range of overclockablilty then the 512 since its gonna be set a a higher speed from what ive been reading on the web, thats the gem im waiting on but the evga gtx ko acs3 keeps wispering in my ear. :tongue: lol


Sure, adding more RAM always increases the overclocking capability of the core. :roll:
June 13, 2007 6:56:55 AM

im quoting someone, but cant give you the site as this is getting very hostile.

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ATi uses 64 four-way shaders (It does 4 calculations per clock cycle) running at 800mhz. This is where the 320 stream units comes from. Unless the shader instruction is optimized for the more advanced DX10 shader unit (eg. newer DX10 games), only 64 shaders. Nvidia uses 128 physical shaders, that run at 1.35ghz.
So, DX9 performance won't be spectacular.


so there, think about it
June 13, 2007 6:57:14 AM

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i think that what he means is that performance with drop when dx 10 comes into play however i think that is a given and the drop with happen across both ati and nvidia


No, he clearly says that the 8800 series is "DX9.0".

People like that should be shot.
again no read what he say he said it is only a high end dx9 card but average at dx 10.

Hes saying that the 8800 is a DX9.0 card and that it doesnt support DX10 very well.

Thats bullshit.


show me where he said all of that.


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I believe 8800 is a nice card, but I think it’s only a High End “DX9” card



There, he says that "he believes" that the 8800 is a DX9.0 card.
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(even though it’s a “DX10” card).



Distorts himself, wich makes me think that he means that the 8800 is a DX9.0 card but that it also supports DX10 but not very well. That is bullshit.
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When (High Pixel “DX10”) games start to show up it will be average card at best.



High-Pixel? WTF?
He says that the 8800 will only have average performance in DX10 games, just because they are DX10, as to assume that he means that the 8800 dont support DX10 very well.

This guy is beyond bullshit.


but the thing is he is right the 8800 is a 1st gen dx10 card so when the 8900 come out this will look average. all 1st gen card are.
June 13, 2007 6:59:39 AM

again for the same reason

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In nVidia's case, DX9 or 10, 128 stream proccessors are working @1.35ghz.

In ATi's case, when in DX9, 64 are being used (for the most part, as some newer DX9 games may utilize the special stream proccessor commands). In ALL DX10 games, 320 stream proccessors are being used. All @800mhz.

Bottom line: the R600 will suck for current DX9 games, may gain a foot hold in newer DX9 games, will kick a$$ in DX10 games.

Right now, consumers are looking at currently released games' DX9 performance. As ATi is at the lower hand, this is what they will remember.
June 13, 2007 7:00:45 AM

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im quoting someone, but cant give you the site as this is getting very hostile.


ATi uses 64 four-way shaders (It does 4 calculations per clock cycle) running at 800mhz. This is where the 320 stream units comes from. Unless the shader instruction is optimized for the more advanced DX10 shader unit (eg. newer DX10 games), only 64 shaders. Nvidia uses 128 physical shaders, that run at 1.35ghz.
So, DX9 performance won't be spectacular.


so there, think about it

That made absolutely no sense.

It says that the 8800 GTX has a better shading architecture and that it will do better in more complex DX10 games.
Yes, thats true. The R600 is using a dated DX9.0 architecture that does not support DX10 very well.

Then it says that DX9.0 performance wont be that good.
What does DX9.0 have to do with this?
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