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AquaBay M5 vs Thermalright U120 eXtreme + Scythe S-Flex

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June 15, 2007 2:30:26 AM

I know most people will build their system starts from Processor, Mobo, etc... but I want to do it starts from all the additional devices first before going to the core of the system... My priority list for building my system is simply from the parts that has minor price movement to the parts that have pricing fluctuation (read: reduced) over time.

In this case, I will buy my cooling device first.. As a newbie, I always get the message that Air cooling will not as good as water cooling system... As my budget for cooling devices (incl. CPU, North and southbridge, VGA, and memory) is limited to couple-three hundreds of dollar, I won't buy high end extreme water cooling device for the system.

I have my eyes on Thermalright ultra 120 eXtreme + Scythe S-Flex versus Thermaltake Aquabay M5. I could get the Aquabay cheaper (A$100) compared to A$110 of the Thermalright.

The planned system is something like E6600, Gigabyte DS3 or 650 chipset (my mates told me it's a good overclocker compared to intel chipsets), Corsair XMS2 2GB kit, WD Caviar 320GB SATA II, Dell 22" LCD. I will also overclock the system to the max and then put it back down a bit so I won't stress the system too much... If I can make it faster than X6700, I would happy enough (don't know if this possible but I thought 3.5GHz should be easy for E6600)

Anyway... what do you guys reckon? which one is the better one? If there's any other cooling system that will be better for my plan, input always highly appreciated
June 15, 2007 9:27:03 AM

can you post some links of where online you found these products?
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June 15, 2007 10:20:14 AM

The thermaltake Aquabay looks good with that 5.25" temperature monitor that makes you easier to see the temps.... but I don't know the quality of this product and it's a bit suspecting that the air cooling Ultra120X dearer compared to this....

Which one should I take? or is there another option that doesn't have much price difference, works with Core2Duo, and good cooler?
June 15, 2007 10:44:28 AM

ok, first of all, a cheap watercooling kit is always JUNK
the termalright U120 extreme will eat that watercooling alive

the 650 is not such a good overcloker, it is decent, but not the king, the best is 680i., between 650 and 965 I would chose the 965.

and you also should wait for the price cuts on 22 july, when the quad6600 will be cheap as dirt. and in a year those extra cores will make a difference.

good luck
June 15, 2007 11:19:00 AM

I have the ultra 120 extreme with the Scythe S-FLEX 120mm Fan SFF21E on an e6600 @3.2 (400x8) and stock volts. The cooler is excellent and I am very happy to have spent the money. I also purchased it from PC Case Gear. It idles at ~30 load at ~55 (TAT). Workes 1000 times better and quieter than the Zalman cnps 9500 on my x2 4600.
June 15, 2007 11:50:05 AM

The Ultra-120 will outperform the watercooling
June 15, 2007 12:03:30 PM

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ok, first of all, a cheap watercooling kit is always JUNK
the termalright U120 extreme will eat that watercooling alive

the 650 is not such a good overcloker, it is decent, but not the king, the best is 680i., between 650 and 965 I would chose the 965.

and you also should wait for the price cuts on 22 july, when the quad6600 will be cheap as dirt. and in a year those extra cores will make a difference.

good luck


How about P35 compared to 965? My budget is only up to 965, 650 or 35 unless there's more price cuts on 680i

Do you have any info on how much the quad 6600 will be? My budget for processor is around $200-250
June 15, 2007 12:10:48 PM

there is not much data about the overcloking performance of the P35, yet, but should be better than 965, also I saw a DS3 Motherboard which suports both the ddr2 and ddr3.
so if you have the money to buy it and also if you can find it , I suggest you take that mobo

the Q6600 will be somewhere between 200 and 250 bucks after the 22th july price cuts.
June 15, 2007 12:11:10 PM

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I have the ultra 120 extreme with the Scythe S-FLEX 120mm Fan SFF21E on an e6600 @3.2 (400x8) and stock volts. The cooler is excellent and I am very happy to have spent the money. I also purchased it from PC Case Gear. It idles at ~30 load at ~55 (TAT). Workes 1000 times better and quieter than the Zalman cnps 9500 on my x2 4600.


Have you tried what's the maximum OC you can get with ultra 120 extreme?
June 15, 2007 12:44:54 PM

At stock volts 3400 (425x8) and at 1.5 volts 3825 (425x9) but the ram timings were relaxed to 5 5 5 15. It also ran fine @ 3.5 (500x7) but the chipset on the ds4 became noticably warmer beyond my liking.
June 15, 2007 12:45:10 PM

Thank you for all the reference and helps...I think I'm going to certainly buy the Ultra 120 extreme.... It's always A rated everywhere I suppose and it seems like Thermalright always bring one of the best cooler around...

Thank you guys.....
June 15, 2007 12:47:31 PM

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At stock volts 3400 (425x8) and at 1.5 volts 3825 (425x9) but the ram timings were relaxed to 5 5 5 15. It also ran fine @ 3.5 (500x7) but the chipset on the ds4 became noticably warmer beyond my liking.


It's really promising then... if the chipset heatsink changed into some great coolers such as Thermalright, means that you'll have a good stable 3.5Ghz, i suppose?
June 15, 2007 12:52:13 PM

It was only "hot" at 500 fsb. At 425 fsb it was no warmer than stock. Also which case are you installing it into as the 120 is a massive cooler and fits into the Antec p180b with ~5mm of clearance to the side panel.
June 15, 2007 12:57:28 PM

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It was only "hot" at 500 fsb. At 425 fsb it was no warmer than stock. Also which case are you installing it into as the 120 is a massive cooler and fits into the Antec p180b with ~5mm of clearance to the side panel.


you've read my mind.. actually I've been questioning myself what kind of casing should I need.... I really interested in desktop cases such as Silverstone Lascala but they are expensive and I'm not sure it could cope with all the large cooling devices I planned to use.

The next case option for me is mid tower pc case... but I don't know how big do I need really... Unfortunatelly Antec is not available in my country... and my budget for this is not over $100 anyway...

Any guidance on the size of case that I need that will cope with ultra 120 X?
June 15, 2007 1:02:16 PM

What country are you in? Any case with a side panel fan over the cpu area will not work without being an exceptionally wide case. The coolermaster Stacker I have will not fit it with the side fan panel installed.
June 15, 2007 1:07:20 PM

From the website....

Technical Spec.:

Dimension:

L63.44 x W132 x H160.5 mm (heatsink only)

Weight:

790g (heatsink only)

Recommended Fan

All 120mm Fan

Compatibility:

INTEL: All Intel LGA775 processors
AMD: All AMD Socket AM2 Processors

All AMD Socket 753/939/940 processors (Retention kit sold separately)

Motherboard compatibility List

(Both Ultra-120A and Ultra-120 eXtreme do not include a backplate for AM2 systems. If you have motherboard manufactured by either Asrock or Gigabyte that utilizes the push pin method, you will need to make a separate purchase for an AM2 metal backplate.)
June 15, 2007 2:07:11 PM

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What country are you in? Any case with a side panel fan over the cpu area will not work without being an exceptionally wide case. The coolermaster Stacker I have will not fit it with the side fan panel installed.


I'm originally from Indonesia but I'm staying Melbourne right now.... It will be too hard to bought cases in Aussie and bring it to Indonesia...
The system that I'm planning to build is for my Indonesian home...

I planned to buy the Thermalright in Melbourne as it's not available as well in Indonesia...
June 15, 2007 2:11:05 PM

I check some products that are available in Indonesia... One of them which drawn my attention is TT Armor Jr... Is this any good?

Btw... huge load of fogs in Melb.... it's getting too cold for me (good for OC if ya let the pc out :p  ) How's brissie?
June 15, 2007 10:47:42 PM

It should work as it is the same width as th antev p180b. You wont be able to use a side fan however but with that cooler you wont need one.
Brissie is still to cold (spent to much time is Darwin, like the heat).
June 16, 2007 12:50:22 AM

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It should work as it is the same width as th antev p180b. You wont be able to use a side fan however but with that cooler you wont need one.
Brissie is still to cold (spent to much time is Darwin, like the heat).


Ok cool... thanks mate!

I'm going to invest in U120 first then probably the case and good psu as the price does not really volatile....
June 18, 2007 1:51:42 AM

Waiting for few days for the delivery... Hmmm can wait, probably I'll test that with my ol' celeron as i'll still wait for few months before i get the new system....
June 18, 2007 11:07:41 PM

Hi all... the Ultra-120 extreme is delivered this morning... I also got the scythe SY1225SL... I know I should get the fluid bearing one but I need some led to glow my case :p 

Now, the stupid question, I think that the fan should places toward the heatsink so ambient temperature air blows the hot heatsink and since there are a lot of space between the fins, the hot air have an escape anyway.... Is this correct?
June 20, 2007 1:32:37 PM

Got the heatsink and scythe... it's feel much cooler compared to the ambient temperature even I haven't try it... Hope it's a good sign...

However, I noticed that the bottom fin is bended in one corner. It's not touching the upper fin but it much closer compared to what it supposed to be, is this okay? I guess the definite answer is when I install it in my system...

I haven't been able to measure the flatness of the surface. Probably chen I can get clean glass, I will try this...
June 22, 2007 6:52:21 PM

c2d e6600 @ 3200 (9x356)
Ultra 120 Xtreme
Asus P5B-E
Antec Solo Case
Corsair HX520 p/s
WD Raptor 74
Seagate 320 x 2 in RAID 1

I tried 3 cases (p180, Sonata III, P150). I chose the Solo because it was the coolest and quietest. The 150 comes with a p/s that is junk. The Solo is the same case with no p/s. These cases have rubber drive suspenders to keep the drives quiet - nice.

My PC Coretemps are 30C idle, 50C load under TAT

It is also very quiet. It is 2 feet way and I can barely hear it.

I use my PC for development work and it is quite noticeable o/cing from 2.4 to 3.2 ghz. I have had it running at 3.6 but don't see a lot more speed for all the extra heat that is generated...

bh
June 24, 2007 11:44:14 PM

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c2d e6600 @ 3200 (9x356)
Ultra 120 Xtreme
Asus P5B-E
Antec Solo Case
Corsair HX520 p/s
WD Raptor 74
Seagate 320 x 2 in RAID 1

I tried 3 cases (p180, Sonata III, P150). I chose the Solo because it was the coolest and quietest. The 150 comes with a p/s that is junk. The Solo is the same case with no p/s. These cases have rubber drive suspenders to keep the drives quiet - nice.

My PC Coretemps are 30C idle, 50C load under TAT

It is also very quiet. It is 2 feet way and I can barely hear it.

I use my PC for development work and it is quite noticeable o/cing from 2.4 to 3.2 ghz. I have had it running at 3.6 but don't see a lot more speed for all the extra heat that is generated...

bh


Thank you for your post... So Sonata II and P150 and Solo can be installed by 120 Extreme without any issue except for the heat? I try to make this list since many guys here just unsure about buying a new case to fit U-120 Extreme in terms of the size of the extreme... It's such a waste if you bought a case just to find out that the side panel stuck to the heatsink...

Your experience added to the list then...
June 25, 2007 7:08:33 PM

With an Asus P5B-E, the 120 will fit in the P150, P180, Solo. I don't know about the Sonata.

Once you get your mobo installed, you can pretty easily measure from the top of your CPU IHS to the edge of your case. These cases have about 2 cm to spare.

bh
June 25, 2007 11:29:10 PM

That's not bad...

I've also checked with Thermaltake and yesterday they've informed me that basically Armor Jr and some other mid-Tower case will fit 160mm height heatsink, and all their tower case will fit as well.
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