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June 23, 2007 9:28:18 PM

Ok so if this PC is completely bogus than let me know and you're more than welcomed to link me to something that you would recommend instead. As far as the motherboard, I'm really in the dark, the 570ultra seemed to be one of the best, so i just went with that. The DVD burner I dont know very much about either. The processor I prefer AMD's and this one also has a 1MB L2 cache on it. It seemed from the CPU reviews on this site that this was a little faster than it's comparible Core 2 duo, and it was about $50 cheaper. Maybe I'm comparing the wrong ones? I honestly don't know if the AMD or Intel is better for the price though. The video card I know is a great deal at that price, I've looked on this sites bang for your buck article and it was best for $200 price range it's only $150... Also, I don't care to deal with the 8800's problems with vista and it's the first gen of DX10 cards so I'd prefer to wait 2 years and then I will buy a DX10 card. My memory i'm guessing 2G is what I want? I dont really know what SATA drives are but that's what my friends have and now that's the majority of whats on newegg so I'm guessing its the kind to get, although I have no idea what brand to get, I just thought I remembered HIATCHI being very good. The case I'm getting I'm pretty set on, Antec makes good power supplies that cost and much as I'm getting the case and supply for, plus it's a quiet case. Also, I don't want to deal with the soundcard problems with vista right now, so I'm going to buy the next gen of soundblasters whenever that is. Also I don't need an OS (already have a copy of vista), monitor (samsung 19" already works great), mouse (just bought a G4), or keyboard either (have had my $10 keyboard for 5 years and love it lol). Oh and I don't overclock at all.

CASE: $99
Antec LifeStyle SONATA II Piano Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450Watt SmartPower 2.0 Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...


MOTHERBOARD: $104 - Don't really know what I'm getting lol.
ASUS M2N-E Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...


CPU: $174
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+ Windsor 2.8GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...


VIDEO CARD: $149
SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 VIVO HDCP Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...


MEMORY: $91
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...


HARD DRIVE: $75
HITACHI Deskstar T7K500 HDT725032VLA360 (0A33435) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...


CD/DVD BURNER: $39

SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology Black SATA Model SH-S183L - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...



TOTAL PRICE ( with shipping) = $760.77

BUDGET = around $850

What I should get? Suggestions? Feedback? As I've said the motherboard is what I'm really unsure about....

THANK YOU for any help! :D 
June 23, 2007 9:55:57 PM

the motherboard looks fine for your needs, but if I were you I wouldn't rule out completely the 8800GTS 320MB, it has decent support for vista now and even though DX10 isn't looking like what it was cracked up to be, it is still an amazing DX9 performer.

But even if you want to keep that X1950XT it still looks good. One thing that bugs me though, I wouldn't try to power that nice system of yours using a PSU bundled with a case, even if it's an antec one (I use an antec psu myself), If you decide to keep the same graphics card you could buy a better PSU with the leftovers of your budget.
June 23, 2007 10:34:25 PM

Just some advice: Go intel
I bought a 5200+ and it didn't perform up to what I expected compared to a C2D.
Wait until July 22 and get a Core 2 Duo for a lot less. AMD is about to have their feet cut out from under them by this price cut. Get a P35 motherboard (gigabyte p35 ds3r) and maybe 2 gigs of (patriot or Corsair) ddr2 1066, if you can get a good price ($110 after reabates). DDR2 800 should be fine though as long as you have at least 2 gigs. Get a SATA hard drive, seagates and maxtors are good from my experience. I agree, wait on a DX10 card for 6 months at least.
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June 24, 2007 1:23:54 AM

What is the recommended PSU watts, if I did decide to get a 8800GTS? So the 450W that comes with the sonatta would or wouldn't cut it? Also I looked at the DDR2 1066 Ram. I didn't see any mobos that could even use it. Most of them the DDR2 800 was the max.

Sonata III has a 500W PSU at $150 for combo. 500W be enough?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also if you could link me to a reliable PSU at the recommended watts, it would be appreciated. I don't want to buy a crappy one, but kind of hoping my case and PSU would cost me less than $200
June 24, 2007 2:14:49 AM

ALSO ON THE PSU

GET AT LEAST 600W SO GET A SEPARATE CASE IF YOU WANT THE 8800 GTS

12V @ AT LEAST 26 AMPS

I AM LOOKING
June 24, 2007 2:24:00 AM

I GUESS 500W COULD WORK AS LONG AS YOU GET THE 26 AMPS ON THE 12V RAIL
DON'T WORRY ABOUT SLI, WAIST OF MONEY
June 24, 2007 2:30:14 AM

ARE YOU THERE ?
June 24, 2007 2:36:26 AM

ZIDAVE DID I LOOK THIS UP FOR NOTHING?
June 24, 2007 2:45:15 AM

HELLO!!! WAKE UP!!!
June 24, 2007 2:46:04 AM

OFF THE COUCH
CHOP CHOP
June 24, 2007 3:00:37 AM

Went out to get a pizza and was working on a recommendation letter for a friend's college app :p  lol...

Thanks for the replies!! I will look all of that over right now.
June 24, 2007 3:20:27 AM

I don't know anything about intel CPU's, which ones should I be looking at? Have to be under $200

Also, if you think the 500W will work, what if I just get the Sonata III that comes with a 500W and if it isn't adequate then i could just try that $24 PSU that you showed me. I just really want the Sonata case, as it's super quiet. My friend loves it.
June 24, 2007 3:30:30 AM

Okay here's what I would recommend.

Case: COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would recommend checking local stores cause online shipping for cases cost a lot.

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I know you don't want to overclock, but still a great board nonetheless. You really learn to overclock, there's a great guide in the forum. It really simple to overclock a Core2Duo, and it gives best bang for the buck.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 Conroe 2.13GHz $186
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Great CPU. Again should look into overclocking cause it's a great card to overclock.

Video Card: You could get what you posted or this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It really your option.

Ram: G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This should be good enough, but there's a bunch of other cheap ones out there so it really your option.

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would personally go with this one because it's a little faster due to the perpendicular recording. But you can choose any like Western Digital or the one you chose. Whatever floats your boat.

CD/DVD Burner: The one you posted was great but you can look into buying two burners or burner/rom. I just like having two for my taste.

I didn't calculate the price but it should be around $800 I think. Have fun.
June 24, 2007 3:35:51 AM

You really should just try to overclock and use an 8800 GTS because they are the best way to get the most of your money. The 5600+ is a wise choice if you aren't overclocking, so don't go for a C2D, unless you overclock of course. Also a stock 5600+ can't fully use memory with a higher speed than 800 Mhz so here's some good stuff:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and change that PSU, here's a case and PSU that you could use:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If that's too expensive here's THE PSU chart: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10...
June 24, 2007 3:39:13 AM

Thank you!! I will keep looking into everything suggested so far. Maybe I will switch to getting an intel. Seems like it's really comparable and far more potential in overclocking if that's something I decide to do later. Too bad, I like AMD a lot more lol.

So no one thinks I should get the Sonata III then. Too bad I was hoping to have a quiet case lol. Sick of the jet engine case I have :lol: 
June 24, 2007 3:46:23 AM

I've been helping some other people too.
Right now the intel e6420 is about $186.
It has a 4mb cache and runs at 2.13 ghz. It is about as fast as my athlon x2 5200.
I believe that after the price drop at about $183 there will be a new model the e6750 that will run at 2.66 ghz with a 1333 fsb. It will be much faster than anything amd can make.
I know an e6600 is a good chip and almost bought one, but I fell into the amd trap. I had always supported them and wanted to support the little guy and ripped myself off. NOT SMART!!! Anyway it costs $220 right now and that is sure to drop along with the e6700 and all models with a 1066 fsb, except maybe the ex6800.
June 24, 2007 3:52:14 AM

That Crucial DDR2 800 is really a good buy at $70 after mail in rebate at newegg.
June 24, 2007 3:57:05 AM

Just for reference on hard drives seagate and maxtor are the same thing. My cousin works for seagate and did r&d. The funniest thing is that those are all that are sold at Best Buy. Not much of an option, but I think it is pretty funny because the average joe thinks that there is a difference and that they are competing. Mua haha!
June 24, 2007 3:57:38 AM

Quote:
I've been helping some other people too.
Right now the intel e6420 is about $186.
It has a 4mb cache and runs at 2.13 ghz. It is about as fast as my athlon x2 5200.
I believe that after the price drop at about $183 there will be a new model the e6750 that will run at 2.66 ghz with a 1333 fsb. It will be much faster than anything amd can make.
I know an e6600 is a good chip and almost bought one, but I fell into the amd trap. I had always supported them and wanted to support the little guy and ripped myself off. NOT SMART!!! Anyway it costs $220 right now and that is sure to drop along with the e6700 and all models with a 1066 fsb, except maybe the ex6800.



Think I have decided to go with the Intel one. Question though:

So is it worth waiting for the new processor line of Intel? I'm not worried about saving a few bucks. It's whether or not there will be a new $180 that would be worth a very painful month wait lol. I haven't even mentioned my current system. Almost 5 years old:

AMD 2600+
1G PC 3200 RAM
120G 5400RPM HD
9800 Pro 128mb (although just upgraded to a 7800GS in Jan, but my CPU bottle necks it too much)
SB audigy 2

Think I will notice the upgrade in processors? LOL.
June 24, 2007 4:00:44 AM

I would recommend the Intel E6750 or E6550 CPU.

I would also read up on Power Supplys. That $23 one is shit.
June 24, 2007 4:05:22 AM

I believe that the new line of intels is really worth waiting for for a couple of weeks even if it is just for the sole purpose of getting some chips that will truck amd for less as a result of price cuts. I realize that what I just said was very fanboyish. Don't get me wrong. It will suck as if amd doesn't make a processor that kicks intels ass, but that won't be happening for a while. From what I have read amd's new k10 phenom stuff is as fast as penryn( intels future stuff at 45 nm). However they don't clock as high, so they are still pretty well screwed. In addition amd won't support ddr3 until this time next year while intel has already begun to and it is very expensive right now,but that will change by next year. Unfortunately, if amd can't pull it off we will be stuck paying for it later because intel won't have competition and will intel raise prices. If you just want the best for your money, just like average joe, yes, it is a good idea to wait.
June 24, 2007 4:08:39 AM

Either an e6550 or an e6750 are good choices. Then of course you could also raid the old 1066 stuff for dirt cheap and overclock the hell out of it.
June 24, 2007 4:11:37 AM

That PSU was just an example of a PSU with a 26 amp 12v rail. I would agree, don't use it.
June 24, 2007 4:13:25 AM

Quote:
Just for reference on hard drives seagate and maxtor are the same thing. My cousin works for seagate and did r&d. The funniest thing is that those are all that are sold at Best Buy. Not much of an option, but I think it is pretty funny because the average joe thinks that there is a difference and that they are competing. Mua haha!


I thought Maxtor was bought out by Seagate. Hmmmmm
June 24, 2007 4:13:38 AM

My dad has one of those xp 2600s sitting out in the van. They are almost faster off than on, no offense.
June 24, 2007 4:14:58 AM

That would be the idea. One owns the other, they are one big company. They just get two stickers, everything else is pretty much the same.
June 24, 2007 4:19:31 AM

That would be the idea. One owns the other, they are one big company. They just get two stickers, everything else is pretty much the same.
June 24, 2007 4:20:50 AM

you aren't there are you
June 24, 2007 4:21:15 AM

i think you're snoring
June 24, 2007 4:22:06 AM

i just want to see if this 50th post is going to discontinue my newbie label.
June 24, 2007 5:46:56 AM

I think that he should go with the AMD build since he DOESN'T overclock at all. For $174 dollars, 2.8Ghz seems pretty sweet to me.

That is unless you can wait for the Price cuts in July. I'm not too sure what will happen then.

I don't have an AMD system myself but no need for overkill on the RAM (DDR2 1066). Off topic but does AM2 fully utilize DDR2 800 at stock?

For the video card, if theres anyway possible get the 8800GTS.
I'm pretty doubtful that it can happen since a good PSU will be required, but so will a X1950XT.. Hmm.....

Sorry can't advise you on AMD motherboards, I know nothing about the current generation of them. :tongue:
June 24, 2007 7:24:14 AM

All of you are awesome. So helpful, I respect that. Thank you!

Don't worry I have decided to go with the 8800GTS. The processor is the only thing I have to think about. I think overclocking is awesome, it's just as you can see I keep my system for a long time, plan on keeping this one for 4 years, although I'll probably upgrade the video card at some point, I'd much rather be safe than sorry and be forced into buying another one.

So I've established if I stick with the AMD CPU I found I need to also stick with the RAM I found. HD maybe go with the maxtor or western digital I think you mentioned instead of HIATCHI. I just remembered them being good because they make really good laptop HDs. CD burngin thing doesn't matter to me much.

If I go Intel I need to wait a month for the new ones. Will there even be one at $180 that will be worth the wait and beat out the 5600+?

The case is the one thing left that I'm still really stuck on. It's not that I care if it has all of the stupid LED crap all over it. I just want a sleek clean and nice one. Right now mine has all of the LED junk on it and it's a pain in the ass when I need to leave it on over night for a download, but I'm trying to sleep. It's like trying to sleep with someone shining a damn flashlight in your face lol. I dont mind if it has a couple, but if I can keep it to $200 or under or so, and more importantly a quiet one. I guess this would aim towards liquid cooling, but I don't have the extra $100 to drop on that right now.

So you guys are recommending I get 600W or more right? Also if I didnt' say it already, I never plan to ever go dual vids/ SLI. I don't have that kind of money to throw out.

Again thanks for all the help so far!!!
June 24, 2007 8:12:36 AM

NZXT HUSH Black SECC Steel/ Aluminum/ Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

$90 + $15 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OR

$90 + $14 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

What do you guys think??

Other ones I thought were ok, if you recommend more than either of these:

$91 + $13 shipping from a different site though
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$35 Free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$125 +$19 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$75 + $18 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Now off to finding a PSU...
June 24, 2007 10:35:57 AM

You made a good choice of parts, you can stick with them if you like but i will recommend you few other options.

CPU instead of AMD 5600 2.8GHz get Intel E6400 2.13GHz it has overclocking potential beyond 3GHz. The AMD could reach 3GHz with fan cooling. But at the same clock speeds intel wipes out competition.

Motherboard get any intel with P35 chipset however if you want wait a while for x38 until September 07 it supports PCI Express 2.

If you don't plan for SLI or Crossfire your PSU is more than enough.

Graphics card get the 8800GTS 320 it should be ok for the next 18 months. You could play games with DX10 eye candy enabled. I don't guarantee playable frame rates for next year games with all eye candy enabled. This card it should be ok at 1280x1024. But still it will look better than the ATI 1900 series which will limit you to DX9.

That's all i have to say.
June 24, 2007 8:29:07 PM

Quote:
You made a good choice of parts, you can stick with them if you like but i will recommend you few other options.

CPU instead of AMD 5600 2.8GHz get Intel E6400 2.13GHz it has overclocking potential beyond 3GHz. The AMD could reach 3GHz with fan cooling. But at the same clock speeds intel wipes out competition.

Motherboard get any intel with P35 chipset however if you want wait a while for x38 until September 07 it supports PCI Express 2.

If you don't plan for SLI or Crossfire your PSU is more than enough.

Graphics card get the 8800GTS 320 it should be ok for the next 18 months. You could play games with DX10 eye candy enabled. I don't guarantee playable frame rates for next year games with all eye candy enabled. This card it should be ok at 1280x1024. But still it will look better than the ATI 1900 series which will limit you to DX9.

That's all i have to say.


Dang, so PCI express 2 compatible stuff isn't coming out until September? Well it's almost completely worthless to be buying the computer now then. I know from experience. My computer is an AGP so I've gone through that phase. So nothing out right now will support PCI express 2? And let me guess it will include DDR3? UGH I want my computer now I've been waiting for forever :( .
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