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June 26, 2007 12:01:45 PM

Hello i wan't to upgrade a computer that the configuration is like this AMD athlon xp 2500+(barton), 1gb of ram(not dual chanel), ecs kt-600 motherboard with agp video slot and a palit fx5200 128/64.
I wan't to upgrade the video card and in my budget i can only afford this cards http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/galaxy/geforce-7600g... with 400 gpu and 800 memory
http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/palit-daytona/geforc... with 400 gpu and 1000 memory

or should i go with an http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/galaxy/geforce-7300g... don't know what the frequency is. Please do not sugest xfx or evga because in Romania you can't find those if you have an better alternative for that price range please sugest one the budget is 120$ give or take 10$

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a b U Graphics card
June 26, 2007 3:09:45 PM

If you've had good results from the Palit FX5200, then I'd probably continue with that brand line in the 7600GS, since your choices and money are as you've said.
June 26, 2007 4:12:19 PM

You can tell by software, your system needs to lay to rest.
Buy a cheap biostar board for a core 2(Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 Socket 775 Intel 965 Express + ICH8 Chipset Dual Channel DDR2 533/667/800 Gigabit Lan Intel High Definition Audio PCI-Express x16 Graphics 6xSATAII Support Intel Core 2Duo CPU Item Code: MBGA000581 Part Number: GA-965P-S3).116$

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Socket LGA775, 1.86 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 2MB L2 Cache, 65nm (Retail Box) 199$


BFG GeForce 7900 GS OC nVidia GeForce 7900GS Chipset (525MHz) 256MB GDDR3 (1320MHz) PCI-Express Graphics Card 20 Pixel Shader Processor SLI-Ready Windows Vista Ready 210$

Corsair XMS 2 TWIN2X1024-8500 Matched Pairs 1GB Kit (2x512mb) Xtreme Memory DDR2 1066Mhz PC8500 240-pin Unbuffered 160$

570 dollars you could go cheaper by buying an amd system which will do you just fine
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June 26, 2007 4:24:37 PM

Well ive clearly said 120$ i have a pretty good system at my fathers house where i go to school in the capital that's my main computer but in vacation i go to my mother in Craiova and i have an computer also that's the computer ive writen in the topic and wich i wan't to upgrade so i will ask again what should i pick 7300gt or 7600gs agp card and thanks for the help so far.
Or if you have a better sugestion i'm open for one my budget is 120$.
June 26, 2007 4:26:57 PM

there is a post in a forumz a 7800gs for 100
June 26, 2007 5:28:41 PM

Well i don't want second-hand and i live in Romania so you see the problem.
Please somebody give me an advice and thanks for the help so far.
a b U Graphics card
June 26, 2007 6:12:50 PM

Out of those 3, I say go for the 7600GS with the DDR3.

Good luck!
June 26, 2007 6:35:49 PM

not the 7300gs, either of the 7600s
June 26, 2007 6:44:54 PM

Ok so then the 7600gs will be thanks for the help.
But if you come up with a diferent opinion on what to buy with 120@-130$max please let me know because i will get the board next week so i still have time to reconsider.
If i overclock the cpu to 2.1 3200+ standard will it help with the frames?
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 26, 2007 7:37:23 PM

Make sure that you do what chunkymonster said and get the 7600gs with ddr3 as it is faster so naturally will make for a better card than the one with ddr2.
Mactronix
June 26, 2007 8:30:50 PM

I would go with the 7600gs.If you found the fx5200 to be a decent card,you'll like the 7600gs even more.Money aside,the 7600gs gives great performance for dollar and has all the latest shaders for DX9 cards.Anyways I recommend the 7600gs.Goodluck.

Dahak

AMD X2 5600+ @ 2.8ghz(stock)
M2N32-SLI DELUXE MB
2 GIGS DDR2 800 RAM
THERMALTAKE 850WATT PSU
7950GT KO(WAITING FOR MY OTHER TO COME BACK FROM RMA)
ACER 22IN. LCD
SMILIDON RAIDMAX GAMING CASE
80GIG/250gig SATA2 HD's
XP MCE
June 27, 2007 7:16:46 AM

Thanks allot guys i will be getting the 7600gs with ddr3 memory i hope i can game at least medium setting in oblivion and test drive unlimited.
THanks again for the great support you gave me guys.
a b U Graphics card
June 27, 2007 10:07:41 AM

Quote:
You can tell by software, your system needs to lay to rest.
Buy a cheap biostar board for a core 2(Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 Socket 775 Intel 965 Express + ICH8 Chipset Dual Channel DDR2 533/667/800 Gigabit Lan Intel High Definition Audio PCI-Express x16 Graphics 6xSATAII Support Intel Core 2Duo CPU Item Code: MBGA000581 Part Number: GA-965P-S3).116$

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Socket LGA775, 1.86 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 2MB L2 Cache, 65nm (Retail Box) 199$


BFG GeForce 7900 GS OC nVidia GeForce 7900GS Chipset (525MHz) 256MB GDDR3 (1320MHz) PCI-Express Graphics Card 20 Pixel Shader Processor SLI-Ready Windows Vista Ready 210$

Corsair XMS 2 TWIN2X1024-8500 Matched Pairs 1GB Kit (2x512mb) Xtreme Memory DDR2 1066Mhz PC8500 240-pin Unbuffered 160$

570 dollars you could go cheaper by buying an amd system which will do you just fine



He plainly said, "budget is 120$ give or take 10$"

What about that did you not understand?
June 27, 2007 11:19:07 AM

damn, if you were a pci-e board person you could pick up a 1950pro for $110 after MIR, that includes S&H
a b U Graphics card
June 27, 2007 11:26:01 AM

Quote:
damn, if you were a pci-e board person you could pick up a 1950pro for $110 after MIR, that includes S&H



In relation to the OPs stated budget, your point is?
June 27, 2007 11:38:55 AM

I vote for absoute 7600GS with DDR3 :wink:
June 27, 2007 11:47:47 AM

The 7600gs with ddr3.

I really think you should save up and buy a new system. Even if it means staying with that for half a year, it will be well worth it.

@Gomerpile:

I am stunned by the fact that you just recommended PC2-8500 for a budget PC. Do you honestly believe that it is better to have 1GB of 1066mhz rather than 2GB of 800mhz?

Add the fact that 2GB of 800 is, in fact, $60 cheaper and what you recommended becomes absolutely retarded.
June 27, 2007 11:51:55 AM

Believe it or not, the Palit 7600GS with DDR3 is equivalent (speed wise) to the Galaxy 7300GT, only Palit is a good brand and Galaxy i have never heard of.
So go with the cheaper it should serve you equally well.
a b U Graphics card
June 27, 2007 12:16:44 PM

to your overclock question, yes overclocking the cpu will help quite a bit with a new card. the more powerful the card, the more the cpu will hold you back.
June 27, 2007 12:57:34 PM

yes, cpu will help with the frames as well as kicking out spywares, using less process and upgrading ram if there's room left... typical games can feel the benefits up to 2 gig now.

your cpu frequency will help in games... clock it at fsb 400, it should give you 2.2ghz which is the 3200+ bandwith advantage... but your cpu architecture is the bottleneck.

if your video card was an fx 5200, getting another will help alot.
but a 7600GS is really overpowering your cpu. eh... and pick an agp card

i strongly recommend a new motherboard/cpu which will require you to change you video card again... the platform is important. but if you want to push 120$ into it and lose it next year cause dual core is needed for a new game... go. in facts, gddr3 isn't as efficient on an agp platform than on a pci-e platform.

depending on the game you wish to play, 256mb gddr2 can be stronger than a 128mb gddr3

according that a geforce 5200 is actually just too slow, i would recommend a 6800 xt which is a castrated version of the best card in the 6000 series
June 27, 2007 1:44:57 PM

Well as i stated above this is just the computer that i have at my mothers house, i just stay there about 3-4 months per year and it's not worth to put more money in it, my main computer is at my fathers house in the capital where i spend most of my time because i go to school, i have a much stronger pc here the computer that is in the topic was my previous one and i took it to my mothers house after i bought the one that i have at my fathers house.
That was just to clear things and to give you a insight why i don't whan't to put to much money into it because i don't use it allot.
I wan't to upgrade the video because i started to play oblivion a few months ago and i want to continue my quests.
That said i want to ask another think will the hardware in the topic coupled with a geforce 7600gs cope with oblivion on medium settings couse on the computer that i have at my fathers house i play it at high and i don't wanna play it at low it's to ugly.
Thanks again guys you are very helpfull
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 27, 2007 2:22:49 PM

Ok so you have given us a list of cards to choose from and the system you want to put it on also the fact that you want to play Oblivion.
Now from the list you have provided the 7600gs with ddr3 is the best one for what you want.
However people are trying to point out that the system you are quoting isnt very good (no offence)and you would be better getting a new one.
This is true but as you keep pointing out its not your pc.
Unfortunatly we have no idea of the market in romania so dont know which other cards are available to you.
Other than saying the 7600gs with ddr3 is the best all i would say is that if you can get a 7600GT then thats a decent card for Oblivion at medium detail but i think the GS will strugle a bit.
Mactronix
June 27, 2007 2:47:28 PM

Whell thanks mactronix your post was probably the most useful(no offence to the others those where quite helpfull too).
If you revisit this topic i would like to inform you that i can gett any card in a budget of 130$ max i can find any card on an online store in Romania except from oldies like geforce 6800 and ati x800 series.
So if you can find one that is better i would apreciate it.
Here is a link http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/ the price in Romanian curency is 300Ron max.
Thanks allot to you guys you have been very helpful all of you lot's of respects from Romania.
June 27, 2007 3:21:18 PM

Did'nt have a problem. Why waste money on a old machine. His title simply says gamer needs a decision, personally I would not spend a cent on it for a gaming machine.
June 27, 2007 3:36:09 PM

If you are a gamer never, ever go for a card below the middle of the tier you've chosen.

They gimp those cards through various means and try and make them still useful but they will slow your system up by stealing system ram (and thus stealing bandwith that could be of use elsewhere).

The x200 and x300's cards (ati and nvidia) are more for websurfers and regular business work that any graphic intensive play.

The 7600gt is better than the gs.
a b U Graphics card
June 27, 2007 4:09:44 PM

While the GF7600GT is better than the GS if he gets the GS with the GDDR3 he has alot of the benefit available to he GT, and it can overclock well past stock GT range.

So I'd say go with the GDDR3 and overclock it once it starts to chug.
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 27, 2007 4:16:23 PM

Ah good glad your here ape i have been looking at this ops website and can only find a HIS 1650 pro that is within his price range that may be any good as an alternative BUT its ddr2 and i cant find a comparison between it and his best choice so far 7600gs ddr3.
But im betting you know :wink:
Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
June 27, 2007 6:39:31 PM

The 1650Pro at stock is faster than the GF7600GS , but I wasn't sure about his limitations with the location and such so I was going based on his recommendations.

The overclocking potential of the GDDR3 also makes it very attractive because it means overclocking potential near the GT and therefore might take it beyond te X1650Pro since the GF7600GT is jst under the X1650XT.

So I still think the Gf7600GS is the best of his stated options, but if he can get his hands on an equally priced X1650Pro and isn't looking to overclock, it's a little bit faster and has a little bit more features, but the GF7600GS with GDDR3 has alot of overclocking potential.
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 27, 2007 8:53:53 PM

Ok sorry i have been a while but as you will see on the post i had to ask about the cards available to you.
So as the great grape ape has said if you want to overclock the card then go for the 7600gs ddr3 option if you dont want to overclock then go for this card from the site you gave me http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/his/ati-radeon-x1650....
Happy gaming.
Mactronix
June 27, 2007 9:11:31 PM

seems this computer is a cottage computer being used for the short time he's going to be there, ocing would do little to improve his options of good game play second he would need to invest in a good cooling system for any oc'ing.

I'll know when he plays a game online, score 0 gomerpile 50
July 5, 2007 9:33:00 PM

Thanks allot you all have been very helpful, special thanks to you mactronix and great ape, i'm going to buy the 7600gs and overclock it and the cpu.
Another question if i oc the video card will i lose the warranty?
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 5, 2007 9:57:09 PM

First glad to help and nice choice of card.
Second this is a bit of a grey area (overclocking that is)check your warranty to see what it says.we have discussed this on the forum before and most of us are of the opinion that if you dont phisicaly harm the card you will be ok.
But the important thing is what the warranty says i will try to look up the make of card and see what they say.
Mactronix
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 5, 2007 10:34:01 PM

Sorry cant find anything specific about palit warranty couple of reviews running overclocks on your card said it does it well and some other companies disclaimers back up what i have already said about not phisically hurting the card.
A word of caution though when doing the o/c make sure that you monitor your card and cpu tempratures.
you can get free downloads like motherboard monitor for this as if they get to hot they will fail and a burnt out card is definatly not covered by your warranty.
July 5, 2007 11:05:48 PM

Quote:
Well ive clearly said 120$ i have a pretty good system at my fathers house where i go to school in the capital that's my main computer but in vacation i go to my mother in Craiova and i have an computer also that's the computer ive writen in the topic and wich i wan't to upgrade so i will ask again what should i pick 7300gt or 7600gs agp card and thanks for the help so far.
Or if you have a better sugestion i'm open for one my budget is 120$.
the 7600 gs is your best bet, but youcant loose with either consdering your upgrading from s 5200
July 5, 2007 11:09:23 PM

Quote:
Thanks allot you all have been very helpful, special thanks to you mactronix and great ape, i'm going to buy the 7600gs and overclock it and the cpu.
Another question if i oc the video card will i lose the warranty?
Good luck overclocking the xp 2500, i got it to 2ghz, sn thst was it, what a fine processor it wasin its day, nforce2, radeon 9700, 1gb memory, ah the memories
July 5, 2007 11:44:59 PM

hey now, the Athlon xp is still a decent processor if you don't want to play the latest games...lol. I have one oc'd to 2.09GHz, and plan to try to push it up some more tomorrow when my AS5 gets here. I had a cooling issue with it earlier this week, but come to find out yesterday that I had 1/2 inch of dust in the fins. Got that cleaned out and it's working better now.

One thing that you can do to easily oc the gpu and monitor temps is to use coolbits. I downloaded an installer from a website that did it for me cause I was feeling lazy, and it has worked great. I can get my 7600GT oc'd without a problem, funny thing is the Athlon XP chip at least mine is so slow that it seriously bottlenecks the card. You wouldn't believe the difference in frame rates I got from simply oc'n the CPU from 1.83 - 2.09 or 2500+ speed to 2800+ speed. It was almost another 30 fps in UT2004. Fortunately for me that's the only game i really like playing so this system still works for now. I just gotta get upgraded before UT3 comes out.
July 7, 2007 9:45:48 AM

Thank you again guys.
As for overclocking the cpu i can overclock at 3200+ standart
http://imajr.com/Original.aspx?Id=s5000226_159166 as you can see cooling isn't an isue.
I've made the order on the site for the 7600gs.
I'm missing on one thing why can't the athlon cope with modern games?
It has a 512k l2 cache, mmx, sse the only thing it doesn't is speed but with an overclock it should have that too ain't i right?
July 7, 2007 11:43:27 AM

An excellent choice for an upgrade card sir.Either one of those cards will boost your gaming performance quite a bit over the fx5200.Have fun.

Dahak

AMD X2 5600+ @ 2.8ghz(stock)
M2N32-SLI DELUXE MB
2 GIGS DDR2 800 RAM
THERMALTAKE 850WATT PSU
7950 GX2 560/1450
ACER 22IN. LCD
SMILIDON RAIDMAX GAMING CASE
80GIG/250gig SATA2 HD's
XP MCE
3DMARK05 14644
July 7, 2007 1:13:46 PM

Have you oc'd to 3200+ before? The best I have been able to get out of mine is 2900+, and I have a better cooler, I believe the one you have is a volcano 9 isn't it? I have the Volcano 11+ with the ducting mod installed (google it, if you don't know, hard to explain). The Athlon does play the games, it just doesn't have the raw power to process the textures and physics, and things like that. I mean it does to a point, but you will see that your proc/mobo will be your bottleneck when you upgrade your GPU. Especially if you overclock in steps. I noticed a massive jump in performance in my games when I went from the 2500+ speed to 28/2900 speed. It just shows how much this cpu bottlenecks the card. Any of the processors sold as mainstream today should be able to fully keep up with a 7600GS.
July 7, 2007 4:27:45 PM

Isn't this 3200+ standart overclock.
Would 500 for core and 1300 for memory be a decen overclock from 400-1000, would that be enough for me to play oblivion on medium and test drive unlimited i really wanna play those games i can't wait 2 months until i gett home.
I gues with that card overclocked with those frequencies and the cpu oc'd to 3200+ standards i would get over 4800 points in 3dmark2001?
July 7, 2007 9:38:34 PM

what board are you using for that? I can't adjust my fsb down in increments. I have my FSB set to 200, and the multi set to 10X giving me a resulting cpu-Z speed of 1992.2, but everything else tells me it's 2000MHz. And one thing I found really odd was that when CPU-Z was running, my +5V jumped a little and asus probe popped up that something was wrong, but when I shut it (cpu-z) down, the problem went away. I can't seem to get that speed, with my fsb set to 166 and multi to 12.5X I get a resulting 2.09Ghz. And setting the multi to 10.5 would give me 2100 should be. I dunno, it's weird how all that works. Maybe I will give 10.5 a try and see what happens. Also, how did you get it to boot at that speed with running a 1.6Vcore. Mine runs at 1.728 at current speed.
July 9, 2007 5:19:13 PM

Well i have a ecs kt600, i have the multiplier set at 11x that's the procesor default multiplier. except the change of the bus speed(that's the only thing i change when i oc the cpu). Everithing is set at default.
What i do i set the ram at 166 speed because i don't have such good quality ram and if i let it at 200 they would go up and my ssystem would become unstable.
Can you set the multiplier at 11x? If you can set it and set your ram at 166 and then increase the bus speed and see how it goes.
Let me know how you did.
You said that you had the same cpu and a 7600gt? How much ram do you have and what games have you played(i mean games like oblivion, test drive unlimited and graphically intensive games) and at what settings?
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