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June 28, 2007 4:47:47 PM

With its Freezone and the Eliminator coolers, CoolIT brings hybrid Peltier/liquid cooling to the masses. How do the two coolers stand up against cooling systems using other methods?
June 28, 2007 6:09:28 PM

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The main difference between the Freezone and Eliminator is the amount of cooling power. The Freezone is the more powerful of the two models, advertised to handle CPU's with a heat output up to 175 watts. The Eliminator is advertised to handle a heat output up to 175 watts.


Huh :?:

I assume only one is rated for 175 watts. Which one is it and what is the other one rated for? If I'm wrong, what makes one more powerful than the other one?
June 28, 2007 6:24:05 PM

Good article. It's interesting to see that plain old water cooling is actually better under load than Peltier-chilled water setups. Of course, part of this could be the prepackaged Peltier cooling unit vs the large, customizable water setup. Are there single-unit water setups like the Freezone and Eliminator, only without the Peltiers?

In other words, does the worse cooling performance of the Freezone come from the very limited size of the unit, or are the Peltiers just inefficient/not as effective at transferring heat as a plain old radiator? Fighting the heat inside of the case doesn't help I'm sure, but it would be interesting to see where the bottlenecks are, so to speak.
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June 28, 2007 6:47:01 PM

While I admit I didn't read the whole article and you may have talked about this; there are three things missing from this article:

1) Overclocking. These kinds of coolers are pretty much solely used for overclocking. The real test of a cooler how good it is at higher thermal load.

2) Aftermarket air coolers. To me this is kind of an intermediate step between aftermarket air coolers and water cooling. I would like to have seen how this compared against a high-end air cooler (Turniq Tower, Scythe Ninja and the like). Even a high-end air cooler would cost less than 1/2 of these peltier coolers and it would make no sense to use one of these if an air cooler would provide similar results.

3) Noise. The only reason, other than overclocking, to use a system like this is because of noise. You should have included some graphs with noise measurements of all of the coolers at idle and load.
June 28, 2007 6:56:19 PM

Oh-My-Gosh! 8O

What kind of "enthusiast" would only OC to 2.25 or 2.26 or whatever that lame number was, or use an E4300 to do it on?

Crank that sucker up over 3Ghz and tell us what voltages the CPU is running at than do some runs.

Its totally bogus. Its probably not built to handle more than a dull OC of 2.26Ghz and anything over that and the peltier will go chernobyl on you and fry your chip. Pffft, another lame review. :( 

Stick 6800 on that overpriced thing and OC it and let me know what happens then.
June 28, 2007 7:06:36 PM

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Oh-My-Gosh! 8O

What kind of "enthusiast" would only OC to 2.25 or 2.26 or whatever that lame number was, or use an E4300 to do it on?

Crank that sucker up over 3Ghz and tell us what voltages the CPU is running at than do some runs.

Its totally bogus. Its probably not built to handle more than a dull OC of 2.26Ghz and anything over that and the peltier will go chernobyl on you and fry your chip. Pffft, another lame review. :( 

Stick 6800 on that overpriced thing and OC it and let me know what happens then.



Yeah really, I've seen too many articles like this testing the Freezone or Eliminator at such a mild OC it's so terribly frustrating. Who the heck would drop $300 just so they could overclock to 1/4 of the CPU's potential. Completely bogus is right, also while the author showed us a not-so-good Koolance water kit(compared to custom WC setup), he didn't show one high end air cooler?

This article fell about 30 yards short on a 40 yard field goal.
June 28, 2007 7:47:53 PM

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1) Overclocking. These kinds of coolers are pretty much solely used for overclocking. The real test of a cooler how good it is at higher thermal load.


I did overclock the system 25%. Any higher and the stock cooler couldn't handle it at load, which would have made it impossible to bench against the stock cooler. I think there's value to that.

However, for you hardcore junkies I'll be using the Eliminator in an overclocking article coming out in a week where I'm pushing the e4300 as far as it will go.


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2) Aftermarket air coolers. To me this is kind of an intermediate step between aftermarket air coolers and water cooling. I would like to have seen how this compared against a high-end air cooler (Turniq Tower, Scythe Ninja and the like). Even a high-end air cooler would cost less than 1/2 of these peltier coolers and it would make no sense to use one of these if an air cooler would provide similar results.


Yeah, that would've been nice. Testing time was limited on this one and I didn't have any good air coolers lying around for reference, but if I could have I would have.


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3) Noise. The only reason, other than overclocking, to use a system like this is because of noise. You should have included some graphs with noise measurements of all of the coolers at idle and load.


I tried to describe noise difference in the article. I've used decibel meters in the past but they don't seem to accurately reflect the experience all that well, I prefer to keep this one subjective. Maybe a scone meter would be better, so I'm looking into getting one of those.

Later gents!
June 28, 2007 7:49:20 PM

i dont understand what is different, I have a freezone on a core 2 quad q6600. I idle at 4C (freezone on high) and under load for about an hour it hits ~14C. I have a lian-li pcv case.. i guess that could be why.
June 28, 2007 7:51:41 PM

Could be the load you're using.

I used orthos for 10 minutes to get a load temp, Orthos is pretty hard on a CPU.
June 28, 2007 8:17:28 PM

Have you calibrated your temp sensors? 4C sounds a bit too cold for a processor with anything short of phase change cooling. That's 39F on the silicon, and the coolant would have to be at or below freezing in order for the heat to move through the chip packaging and heat exchanger and keep the die that cold. If you are actually that cold you probably have some severe condensation problems.

A lot of motherboards, including the one I'm using right now, have a 20C offset, so your idle temp would be 24C and load would be 34C, still decent, but no risk of condensation. Currently my sensors read 12C on air cooling in a 24C room...
June 28, 2007 8:31:06 PM

well lol, i'm obviously not as hardcore as you guys; my load was done by playing BF2 and my temps are the mobo temps (as read through pcwizard). I did shoot them w/ an infrared probe and i got 5-6C. Oh, and i do get some condensation on the water blocks that cool the peltiers (blue parts), but only if i turned the a/c off. (we have an A/C contracting company so its always icey cool in here and that = low ambient humidity)
June 28, 2007 9:13:43 PM

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I assume only one is rated for 175 watts. Which one is it and what is the other one rated for? If I'm wrong, what makes one more powerful than the other one?


You're right, the Freezone should be 175 and the Eliminator should be 125.
June 28, 2007 9:33:40 PM

But how quite is this thing. My problem right now is on my HTPC, the CPU fan under load and in the warmer summer days is louder then a friggen vacuum cleaner and it sits on my theater rack. Man, I jsut want a PC that you don’t hear. In this continued world of increasing PC power, the sound factor keeps getting worse and worse.
June 28, 2007 9:43:59 PM

Glad to hear there is another article coming up where you really test these babies out. Hopefully in that one your can throw in a high-end air cooler for some comparison.
June 28, 2007 9:45:33 PM

I concur with both posts that this review is lame if your only gettin' it to 2.25Ghz on the OC. At that level of OC, stick with the stock cooler and save your $$!!! If that doesn't work for you, then step up and get a decent HSF for well under a C note.

Pathetic as far as I'm concerned considering my modded Zalman in my sig with "only" ambient temps at best. I have been considering adding a TEC to it and see how that goes.

Trying out the PDC E2160 next to try and emulate X-bit labs success and perhaps exceed the 3.4Ghz limit they hit on air. Has anyone done better than 3.4Ghz on air with the E2160?
June 28, 2007 9:47:45 PM

Mod yourself a Zalman reserator, you'll be happy with the end result.
June 28, 2007 9:50:59 PM

You could try underclocking your CPU, assuming that it would still be adequate for the job (which, if your considering a $200 TEC, it had better be a higher end CPU).
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June 28, 2007 11:13:19 PM

It's all good.

I have wondered about how those things where.

Why the hell do people whine about the reviews. If they don't like it, write there own! :p 
June 29, 2007 12:22:06 AM

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With its Freezone and the Eliminator coolers, CoolIT brings hybrid Peltier/liquid cooling to the masses. How do the two coolers stand up against cooling systems using other methods?


http://www.guru3d.com/article/processor/438/
June 29, 2007 12:24:19 AM

Edit

Just realized it was a stupid question.
June 29, 2007 12:24:45 AM

I've had mediocre results with my Freezone. Prior to the Freezone, I was running a Scythe INF air, 50c idle/57c load. I'm now at 48c idle/56c load with the Freezone, so a net improvement of 3c.

The article touches upon the main problem with the Freezone and Eliminator which is, once the cpu has run load for a while (30 minutes or more in my case), the amount of water in the resevoir and length of the loop cannot cool water fast enough.

Also, this thing is L-O-U-D. Installation was also a hassle: the 120mm fan adapter doesn't match holes on the TT Armor case and some drilling is necessary.
June 29, 2007 12:27:03 AM

THG has done once again what a horrible review!

I just happened to rip out one of these piece of junk freezone - what junk!

noise!

70-80c vs 45-50c for koolance 1000 system

total junk!

yes it was 3.6ghz quad core but who would buy a $300 cooler for $100 e4300 cpu?

what a junk article!









this cooler does not even come close the 175w cooling claim! how can something that is so inefficient only draw 50w and cool 175w?

it can not - its obvious since i tore the junker out!
June 29, 2007 12:36:01 AM

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Could be the load you're using.

I used orthos for 10 minutes to get a load temp, Orthos is pretty hard on a CPU.



koolance 1000 runs orthos all day long at 50-55c

this freezone piece of junk! craps out after 2min crashing the system at 75c or higher.

sometimes it even goes nuke - it must be due to air lock? and the system hit 80c on idle what junk!


any one want to buy one cheap email me!
June 29, 2007 1:09:51 AM

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Good article. It's interesting to see that plain old water cooling is actually better under load than Peltier-chilled water setups. Of course, part of this could be the prepackaged Peltier cooling unit vs the large, customizable water setup. Are there single-unit water setups like the Freezone and Eliminator, only without the Peltiers?

In other words, does the worse cooling performance of the Freezone come from the very limited size of the unit, or are the Peltiers just inefficient/not as effective at transferring heat as a plain old radiator? Fighting the heat inside of the case doesn't help I'm sure, but it would be interesting to see where the bottlenecks are, so to speak.


Yes there is. Cooler Master Aquagate Mini R80 80mm Water Cooling Kit is a self contain system and a POS.
June 29, 2007 2:57:11 AM

I have been useing a Freezone in one of my computers for over a year now. It is cooling an overclocked Opteron 165 (1.8GHz std) clocked at 2792MHz. It is extremely quiet. The only noise is the fan and that is very quiet. Under load of Prime 95 running on both cores it goes up to 58C, if I remember correctly (can't find my yellow pad that I wrote my notes on from a year ago).

If I overclocked any higher the temperature just would creep higher and higher; the Freezone is unable to handle any more heat generation. I even tested useing a much higher capacity fan and it only helped a little; but the noise of a 120CFM fan was intolerable for a couple of degree improvement.

Motherboard: DFI nF4 SLI-DR Expert
CPU: Opteron 165 CCB1E 0609FPMW @2792
Memory: 2 x 1GB OCZ DDR 500
Graphics card: XFX 7900GTX 512MB
PSU: Sparkle FSP650
CPU Cooling: Cool It - FreezeZone (thermo electric and liquid cooling)
June 29, 2007 3:36:31 AM

I RMA'd two of these things. The first one took 3 months to die. The second one took 2 weeks to die. In both cases the pump just stopped pumping. Dead. The fan and TECS still worked, but that did no good with a dead water pump.

After the second RMA I just sold the unopened replacement on eBay and installed a Zalman 9700.

This is on a quad core QX6700 running OC to 3.0ghz.
June 29, 2007 5:15:20 AM

total junk!

THG article is bs - to be quite frank!

These are total junk they do not work at all.

Why would anyone water cool a 65w cpu with a $200-$300 unit when you can get a killer koolance system complete for $300-$600

I saw this company on CNBC - what a scam - they have some high dollar investors behind them i am sure - this product suxs!
June 29, 2007 5:17:01 AM

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I have been useing a Freezone in one of my computers for over a year now. It is cooling an overclocked Opteron 165 (1.8GHz std) clocked at 2792MHz. It is extremely quiet. The only noise is the fan and that is very quiet. Under load of Prime 95 running on both cores it goes up to 58C, if I remember correctly (can't find my yellow pad that I wrote my notes on from a year ago).

If I overclocked any higher the temperature just would creep higher and higher; the Freezone is unable to handle any more heat generation. I even tested useing a much higher capacity fan and it only helped a little; but the noise of a 120CFM fan was intolerable for a couple of degree improvement.

Motherboard: DFI nF4 SLI-DR Expert
CPU: Opteron 165 CCB1E 0609FPMW @2792
Memory: 2 x 1GB OCZ DDR 500
Graphics card: XFX 7900GTX 512MB
PSU: Sparkle FSP650
CPU Cooling: Cool It - FreezeZone (thermo electric and liquid cooling)



i am sure your operon will not keep up with the 3.5ghz or 3.7ghz quad system i build with intel - sure i can use this to cool my 3.37ghz e6600 based systems which blows your opy away! right?


junk cooling (70-80C CRASH 2MINS ORTHOS) show below:




good cooling (UNLIMITED ORTHOS 50-55C) show below: (5TB 10 drive dual raptor raid 0 with 8 drive raid 5 storage - 350-450k speed - 3.55ghz quad core 12-13k 3dmark06 singel 8800gtx)







As shown, i tested both systems just recently! THG - PLEASE GET YOUR STORY RIGHT THIS COOLIT THING IS TOTAL JUNK!
June 29, 2007 9:42:07 AM

I'm afraid I really can't see the point of reviewing devices like this at all if you're not going to provide a comparison with high-end air-cooling. You need to benchmark them alongside a Tuniq Tower, Thermalright Ultra-120 and (particularly) Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme. Otherwise there's no point in bothering.

And, has also been mentioned before, you need to do the benchmarking in a silent room and take decibel-level readings of the whole system. Noise really matters.
June 29, 2007 10:02:24 AM

I’ve noticed the quality of the articles and presentation of them has significantly dropped this year. This is another half arsed article as many others pointed out.

Toms Hardware – RIP.

It should be renamed to – (No longer) Tom’s Lameware.
June 29, 2007 11:00:39 AM

Dude!

it costs $300 a koolance systems cost $300 and up and you get a case with the 736!!!!

How can u compare $40-$60 heat sinks to a $200 to $300 product since you need a case anyways, koolance systems are a great comparison.

This is nothing more then a compact poorly designed and thought out water cooler - i can throw a tec plate anywhere - but why would you!

This coolit thing sucks so bad! it starts out low and then keeps getting hotter and hotter - 120f/50c for modest applications and as i stated its a barn burner with a quad at 3.5ghz.

ok lets say you have a low end chip that this junker will work with - why spend $200-$300 to cool a low end chip with a poorly conceived product!

THG - your review sucks! total junk! i will probably get banned! I just tore one out last night i am so pizzed this thing sucs so bad! YES I AM MAD SINCE I JUST SPENT SO MUCH TIME WITH THIS TOTAL PIECE OF $%^&'N #$%^!

BELOW IS THE BEST PART:

REMOVED IS THE BEST PART!
SECOND BEST PART IS BOXED TO SELL ON EBAY!

total scam! junk! high maintenance - logiest nightmare - this reminds of that junk power supply by koolance $500 for couple of water bags and a 10 cent cast post holds on the radiator. dumb!
June 29, 2007 1:45:53 PM

LMAO @ everyone with koolance system,
for ~$200 a custom setup cpu only set up will beat the pants off of any koolance system bc they suck,
just get thermochill 120.3, 3 yate loons, DDC-2 pump, and a D-tek fusion
and you have an awe inspiring wc system
June 29, 2007 2:00:36 PM

While i completely agree that the Watercooling setup you mentioned

-Thermochill PA120.3
-DDC-2 Pump
-D-tek Fuzion CPU block
-Yate loon fans

Would absolutely blow away a Koolance setup, it would also cost you around $300 bucks, not to mention any potential(pretty much guaranteed)modding you'd have to do, but also the time it would take to set it all up. It would be atleast 3x the amount of work a Koolance pre-built setup would require.

A koolance setup offers those who don't have the exact know how on setting up a custom watercooling setup, but want better performance than a high end aircooler/the cool look of watercooling. So for $200 it's not that bad of deal.
June 29, 2007 2:19:11 PM

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I'm afraid I really can't see the point of reviewing devices like this at all if you're not going to provide a comparison with high-end air-cooling.


At $250 - $300, the CoolIT coolers aren't competing against air coolers, they're competing against water coolers.


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Toms Hardware – RIP.


I always find it funny how fashonable it's become to bash Tom's.

Instead of walking away with a bit of useful info - like the fact that we've compared the CoolIT solutions against comperably priced water cooling, which nobody else has bothered trying - our forums are filled with readers who a) obviously find enough value in our investigations to spend the time reading our stuff, and then b) invest even more time on the forums to complain about what we didn't do.

It'd be nice if we got a little support from our own community like other sites. Constructive criticism would probably work a little better as far as letting us know what you want to see instead of posts like "Toms=RIP". I mean, seriously. :wink:
June 29, 2007 2:36:24 PM

While both the Koolance WC Setup and the CoolIT Freezone/Eliminator are competing with each that isn't to say they are worth there price.

It'd be nice to have seen a high end air cooler and compare the results. While the stock intel cooler may have been your control the difference in cooling results didn't really show how well/bad the cooler's performed. The ideal situation would have been to compare to it a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, while i know it'd be hard to get all these components in at relatively the same time, that'd be the best way to determine whether spending ~$100-200 more on more exotic cooling setup would be worth it. Enthusiasts that are thinking about making a jump into more exotic cooling, like the prebuilt CoolIT or Koolance setups,most likely would also be considering the most high end air cooling there is.

While CoolIT and Koolance provide the intermediate step between high end air cooling and a custom built water loop, it'd be interesting to see if they are worth there price. While that may not have been your main focus on the article it certainly could have provided the readers a better way to compare the products performance.
June 29, 2007 3:26:38 PM

After reading your post as well as the other post regarding "whining" by people who have anything critical to say about a review, I felt a reply without blatant flamming was due.

First of all, ANY cooling review performed by anyone, anywhere needs to examine all relevant information. IE; all types of cooling solutions and there cooling capabilities per watt per dollar, and how they compare. This should include air, water, TEC, and any combination of them.

While some criticism may come across a bit harsh, it has significant value. It points out the shortcomings and isssues overlooked by the reviewer. This in turn educates ALL who read what they post if they have legitimate knowledge and are not just spewing ignorant opinion. In any event, MANY people learn something they may not know.

Would you prefer an Newb to read the review and say, "Hey, great article, I think I'll go out and buy that" and drop some hard earned cash for a system that dissapoints and then feels the review they read was BS and Tom's really sucks? I would think not. Instead they read the critical replies and say "Hmmmm.....I better do some research" and are grateful for the Forumz and to have learned something rather than getting screwed.

One last note. I've noticed that those who criticize are usually enthusiasts who have a damn good idea as to what they're doing and what they know.
On the other hand, those who are just mainstream novices usually don't push their hardware's capabilities and are more focused on being critical of other posters and the "politics" of the forum.

By the way, I noticed your sig and was wondering why you've got such a lame OC on an E4300? I had mine at 3.4Ghz before trying the new E2160 for $hits and giggles. Maybe your just not an enthusiast, eh?
June 29, 2007 3:50:02 PM

O jesus, not this again, every time someone reviews this I always have to tell people, DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON IT. Put together a real loop and stop pulling this crap out and saying your 1337, It is so overpriced it just blows my mind, and BTW that is no decent TEC setup and will get you no further than a regular water loop, this is NOT recommended for Quad Core overclocking.

One of my previous builds with a 320watt tec and sitting on top of the meanwell psu that is powering it, temp @ -10*C



If you have never really built crazy cooling loops like this, you wouldn't begin to understand the half of it.


BOTTOM LINE: Dont buy CoolIT products, they are overpriced and the performance of them is not where it needs to be at such a price.
June 29, 2007 4:26:51 PM

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While some criticism may come across a bit harsh, it has significant value.


Sure it does! You completely misunderstand my position. I value criticism, welcome it, invite it.
But saying "Toms=RIP" isn't criticism, is it? It's useless whining, and does nothing to further the interests oif the community or site, does it? Honestly, I'm not sure how or why you could defend that kind of statement.


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By the way, I noticed your sig and was wondering why you've got such a lame OC on an E4300? I had mine at 3.4Ghz before trying the new E2160 for $hits and giggles. Maybe your just not an enthusiast, eh?


lol. Well, that's great that you feel the need to brandish your e-penis.

Personally, I got the lame OC on the 4300 because I haven't tried yet.
As I stated in the Koolance review, I took it up to about as high as the stock cooler would handle at a temp I found acceptable, so I could compare the stock cooler results. If I took it higher I couldn't have compared with the stock cooler...

But thanks for your concern. Should I ever feel the need to associate my self esteem with a CPU overclock like you did, you'll be the first one to know... :lol: 
June 29, 2007 5:35:19 PM

@DragonSpayer and others

If you worded your criticisms more constructively and dropped the CAPS and !!!, then you wouldn't run the risk of getting banned AND people would be more likely to listen to you. There really is no need to bash the site that much. Just let them know your opinion and what you think they should have done differently. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no need to be rude about it and insult other people.
June 29, 2007 5:42:54 PM

I read the article, I read this topic (which became a bil of flaming)

I just want an answer from the author. WHERE IS THE AMBIENT TEMP PUBLISHED?

It seems that with IDLE CPU the WC (full speed) gets to 18 Celsius. And there's a comment from the author that says "see how it can't go below ambient temp?"

So I assume your amb temp is at the most 18 Celsius degrees. A stock cooler is enough for that job. ALL tests should be done at 20 or 25 Celsius which are two standard temps (depending on the subject 20 or 25 is used)

Or even more than that. Since I have a ThermalRight XP-120 which does it job silently with room temps of 30 Celsius on a Pentium D at 65 Celsius (both cores running F@H)

Also an E6600 with Prime95 at 2.8GHz that uses a stock cooler and in room temps of 20 Celsius can do the job.

If your room temp is 30 Celsius how the WC and this system.
June 29, 2007 5:58:09 PM

I guess the CoolIT products do have some rather nice advantages over traditional water-cooled setups. One being that it requires no maintenance over a 5 year life, letting you install it and forget it. The second, it's relatively compact size, letting you install it without heavily modding the case.

Builders of HTPC systems in particular would appreciate a cooler with such characteristics. Instead of overclocking, you want a cooler that is quieter. Air coolers are loud and case internals are small. A water cooler can do a quieter job without adding heat inside your case.

But the thing with HTPC cases is that once they are installed with the rest of the home theater gear, you cannot really tinker with it like you would a regular mid-tower case. That rules out cooling solutions that require access to the case internals for maintenance.

Except that the CoolIT isn't a great cooler at all. Other than the fact that it technically works, it is still not a "silent" cooler. One reply here mentioned that changing the fan did little to improve, so I can only assume that the design of the cooler is less than optimal.

Were it a near-silent cooler, I would say that it is great choice.

A better alternative??? $190-$250 will get you a good Swiftech cpu block, some 1/2" tubing, a silent 120mm fan/radiator, pump and reservoir. Minimum modding and some maintenance aside, you will get considerably cooler temps, near-silent operation, and you won't need to throw it away after five years either.
June 29, 2007 6:46:50 PM

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I just want an answer from the author. WHERE IS THE AMBIENT TEMP PUBLISHED?

It seems that with IDLE CPU the WC (full speed) gets to 18 Celsius. And there's a comment from the author that says "see how it can't go below ambient temp?"



You're totally right, I missed including that. The ambient temp was 21 degrees.

The watercooling system in theory is limited to ambient temp, although in reality we can see it go a couple degrees below in this case. I'm not positive how that worked - either air movement over condensation on the the radiator caused evaporation to cool it below ambient, or the temp sensor was out a few degrees.
June 29, 2007 7:52:56 PM

Cleeve,

How hard/easy to you see it being to basically daisy chain to Freezone's together?

Also i'm sure you mentioned the tubing size but do you have any clue on how strong the pumps would be, possibly considering a different cpu block.
June 29, 2007 8:22:11 PM

Hmmmm... good question. I don't have one with me at the moment but I'd suspect daisy chaining these would introduce more variables than you'd like to deal with. Who knows how much power the control unit puts out - and how many TECs it could control. Space would be an issue, too.

I think if you wanted to experiement you'd be better off building your own custom system from TECs/hoses/waterblocks and other parts, but I can't say I'm sure it'd be worth it.
June 29, 2007 10:19:40 PM

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Why the hell do people whine about the reviews. If they don't like it, write there own! :p 

If you meet up with a friend and he has a turd hanging from the back of his jacket, you tell him because he’s your friend. Not because you are laughing at him or wish him badly, but because he really should know that he has a turd on his jacket.

Well I’m simply saying this article is a turd, as many people here have agreed. And worse than that it was deliberately placed on the site! Shame on the writer and even more so on the editor. This is the lamest article I’ve ever seen on a review site that I thought had credibility. I no longer think Toms has credibility and when I say Toms RIP I am simply saying that it is now dead to me as a credible site.

The recent standard of readability has dropped off to the point where you can’t even be bothered to graph basic data in certain articles but get really carried away in other areas and graphing anything that moves. I’m referring to the articles on PC power consumption.

I don’t blame the writer, but the editor. Sack the editor I say before Tom’s becomes a laughing stock.

Note. Turd = faeces.

P.S.
It’s hopefully just a passing phase and you’ll get back on track soon but better to make a noise now than wait until it reaches a point where I don’t even think it’s worth mentioning.
June 29, 2007 11:41:09 PM

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This is the lamest article I’ve ever seen on a review site that I thought had credibility. I no longer think Toms has credibility and when I say Toms RIP I am simply saying that it is now dead to me as a credible site.


A tad over dramatic don't you think?
June 29, 2007 11:42:08 PM

I see, well the reason for my contemplations is to really avoid having to neatly put together a complete watercooling kit. The look of the CooIT Freezone is very nice. I've figured all the space you would really need would be a case that houses two 120mm exhaust fans. Something like the Gigabyte Aurora. Also if someone were to potential drop $600 on these then the PSU would be a non issue.

Could you possible hook up the two both TCMs so they could regulate temperature accordingly and either put the second 3-pin connector into another mobo fan header. Or i've seen before where you can hook many fans up to a single 3-pin, could this also be employed?
June 30, 2007 4:03:08 AM

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I'm afraid I really can't see the point of reviewing devices like this at all if you're not going to provide a comparison with high-end air-cooling.


At $250 - $300, the CoolIT coolers aren't competing against air coolers, they're competing against water coolers.


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Toms Hardware – RIP.


I always find it funny how fashonable it's become to bash Tom's.

Instead of walking away with a bit of useful info - like the fact that we've compared the CoolIT solutions against comperably priced water cooling, which nobody else has bothered trying - our forums are filled with readers who a) obviously find enough value in our investigations to spend the time reading our stuff, and then b) invest even more time on the forums to complain about what we didn't do.

It'd be nice if we got a little support from our own community like other sites. Constructive criticism would probably work a little better as far as letting us know what you want to see instead of posts like "Toms=RIP". I mean, seriously. :wink:

forums are to speak the truth - why did tom's let such a poor product slide with a ok review?

advertising dollars?

big business relationships?


THG - rocks! this article sucks!

the coolit system is a terrible product that serves no purpose - again - yes it works on low watt chips but why would you need such in efficient cooling?

it complete fails to cool high end chips - so what purpose can this product serve? what role?

i own one and its total junk and its so obvious, why can THG noT come to that same conclusion? if i am wrong then explain to me who would use this useless over-hyped inefficient product?


THG ROCKS! ITS A GREAT SITE!
June 30, 2007 4:08:32 AM

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I guess the CoolIT products do have some rather nice advantages over traditional water-cooled setups. One being that it requires no maintenance over a 5 year life, letting you install it and forget it. The second, it's relatively compact size, letting you install it without heavily modding the case.

Builders of HTPC systems in particular would appreciate a cooler with such characteristics..

Except that the CoolIT isn't a great cooler at all. Were it a near-silent cooler, I would say that it is great choice.

A better alternative??? $190-$250 will row it away after five years either.




SHOW ME ONE UNIT IN 5 YEARS AND I SHOW YOU A FAILED UNIT! THESE WILL NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO 5 YEARS - IN 5 YEARS FROM THE DAY THE FIRST UNIT SHIPPED FOR TRIAL THIS COMPANY WILL BE LONG GONE!

:evil:  The dragon has spoken :twisted:

i will pay evey coolit owner $10 that owns and works for 5 years!
June 30, 2007 4:16:12 AM

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@DragonSpayer and others

If you worded your criticisms more constructively and dropped the CAPS and !!!, then you wouldn't run the risk of getting banned AND people would be more likely to listen to you. There really is no need to bash the site that much. Just let them know your opinion and what you think they should have done differently. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no need to be rude about it and insult other people.



First i apologize for yelling - you are right - even though i just capped again! i hate caps

2nd - you would have to understand the timing - i just got done with a marthon with this product on $6k parts and it totally does not work. Then what do i see 12 hours later a THG on the same $%^&'n product (sorry again but i have a bad temper) - yes i may be a poor write and yes i may have a bad temper but this product does NOT work.

THG should clearly point out that for $200 or $300 this is a horrible over hyped, poorly engineered product.

I hope THG will respect that i only want to help this site by having good honest reviews.

90c - i can get better cooling with a stock intel cooler - you get air lock with this thing.
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