Need Help Deciding.

[clonecommander]

[/b]Hello everyone, after july 22nd im going to be buying a new computer. I mainly use my computer for gaming and video editing.

I only need six parts- the processor, video card, monitor, mobo, memory, and power supply.

the following are parts im certain i want to get

Video card- pny 8800 gts 320 mb $280

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814133193

Power supply- scythe kamarki 450watt power supply $60 dolllars

(2 12v rails at 20amps) will this work for my video card? i dont plan on spending more money for the power supply.

http://secure.newegg.com/Newversion/Shopping/shoppingcart.asp?submit=view

monitor- acer 22" glossy widescreen lcd monitor $280 dollars

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16824009111

memory- patriot extreme performance 2gb $120 dollars

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=posting&mode=newtopic&f=55

total without processor and motherboard= $740

now i need help picking a motherboard and processor, but dont plan to spend more than 1,000 on the whole system, can anyone suggest a motherboard and processor that keep the system at or near 1,000 dollars

thx for ur time and help

 

[SasparillaMayonase]

Here: http://www.techimo.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-7372.html

 

[Kronos76]

Some of the parts are okay, given your budget, and the graphics card you are looking at, I would suggest a different PSU.

Also, I didn't notice a case or any harddrives? Do you already have them.

One last note, as it seems you need to get a new monitor this round it will make staying under 1000 a bit hard, not impossible, but hard.

It is late here and I am just a bit tired, I will try and come up with a few ideas tomorrow for a complete system if I can. Good luck, I have seen a lot of folks here on the boards come up with some good ideas!!!

 

[clonecommander]

kronos, yes i already have a case and hard drive.

yes, plz try to do that, i would greatly appreciate it.[/quote]

 

[Kronos76]

No worries, if some of the old veterans on the boards don't beat me to it I will see if I can come up with a few good parts tomorrow. In the meantime, if you have some extra time I have seem a few posts with a very similar request, a nice build under 1000, it may pay to do a little browsing on the forums and see what you can find!

 

[lfranklin]

Definitely a NO to your PSU choice. I would spend a little less on your RAM and put the money back into getting a better PSU. You can get 2G between 80 and 90. If you can drop at LEAST an additional 40 bucks to your PSU, than do it. So you have 260 for your MB and CPU. Lets see...you might have no choice for a CPU but to get a e4300. So that leaves you more than 130 for a MB. I would definitely use an After-market cooler. Do you already have one for an Intel Core 2 Duo? You will be pushing near 1100 if not.

For a MB around 130. You could actually get some unproven P35 MB's in that range. If you want something proven, the GA-935P-DS3 is a real good over-clocker for around 120. The MSI Platinum (P965) is also very good as well. This may be closer to 140.

 

[skyguy]

^^^ Agreed.

1) Get cheaper RAM
2) Get a Gigabyte 965P-DS3, pass on the MSI.
3) Get a better PSU
4) Get whatever C2D CPU that will fit the remaining budget.

Much, MUCH better system overall than what you're showing.

 

[nvalhalla]

Cheaper RAM saves $40.

Better PSU, should be able to find one near the price you already have alloted. http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4653878 This is $20 more

Newegg has an Evga 8800GTS 320 for $280 with a $20 MIR

A 650i or 965P will cost you $100

This leaves about $200 after MIR for a CPU, bringing you close to the Q6600. Can you spare a little more? It'll be worth it.

 

[tsf]

since ur into video editing, i would suggest u get one of the E6XXX. if the price drop is good, get the Q6600! (dunno what apps u r using but adobe stuffs make use of multicores.)

i believe there r cheaper RAM out there, save some money here.

as for the psu, i would say get a better one.(sth >$85)

P35 mobos are really good stuffs, give them a shot!

 

[Major_Trouble]

The 8800GTS 320 might struggle with your monitors native resolution when gaming and if you're video editing go for the quad core if your software support multithreading.

 

[Kronos76]

Wow, as I figured most of the veterans here on the boards would have some good input. Anyway, sorry I didn’t get back to you on Saturday, things are busy and some unexpected stuff has surfaced, anyway, I did want to try and respond but I still have some limited time so, here is what I can suggest, I have pasted three links below, two of them has the same financial cost restrictions as you mentioned above, look at some of those parts and try and mix a match accordingly. The third has a 1500.00 cost limit but I figured it may be helpful all the same. I suggest you think of the parts that sound good to you, and fit the budget, post your new build idea and I know for certain you will get a bunch of comments from everyone out here on your selection.

I am sorry I couldn’t do more, timing is just bad right now, anyway, if I can I will still give it a shot, but in the meantime see what you can do with the parts in these links.

Good Luck!


http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=242290&highlight=

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=242186&highlight=



http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=242180&highlight=

 

[clonecommander]

thanks kronos, im probably gonna decide to get these parts. plz give advice and input on the parts .

Processor: e6750 $183

Motherboard: Foxconn p35a $135

Video Card: 8800 gts 320 mb $280

Psu: Scythe Power supply 450 watt, two twelve volt rails with 20 amps each $60

Monitor: acer glossy 22" $280

Memory: aghh some $90 memory

total about 1,043

 

[morerevs]

Really, really, really get a better PSU It's something that will make you happy for a long time to come. As for the Amps on the 12v rails, if it really has 20 amps per rail that would use up the entire available wattage.
P=U*I meaning Watt=Voltage*Amps in your case 12 V * (2*20 Amps) = 440 Watts. This woould mean there's only 10 W (0.8 A) left on the 5 and 3 V rails, so I take it the 20 A is a bit overdrawn. It's probably going to cost you 25 $ to get a better one that will save you a lot of hassle, and has some future functionality in it. Do yourself a favor

GL.

*edit* Also remember that most PSU's run at only 80-85% efficiency. Unless they've allready calculated this into the rated Wattage this would mean 450 * 85% = 382.5 Watts. 8O

 

[Abraxas]

the memory as I have been told also, doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg to get good use of it. Gskill and Crucial with and without rebate are good enough to get the power you need. and as for the 22" acer, you really should move up to the 640mb GTS, cause the 320mb starts to have problems at the 1600x(#)### ranges.

 

[Kronos76]

thanks kronos, im probably gonna decide to get these parts. plz give advice and input on the parts .

Processor: e6750 $183

Motherboard: Foxconn p35a $135

Video Card: 8800 gts 320 mb $280

Psu: Scythe Power supply 450 watt, two twelve volt rails with 20 amps each $60

Monitor: acer glossy 22" $280

Memory: aghh some $90 memory

total about 1,043

Assuming you stay with the MoBo and CPU, I would make the following recommendations, and I know you don't want to hear this but, first thing, you are so close to a really nice system for your cost. The big kick for you is the monitor, the real but cost you have, is around 700.00 given your nearly 300.00 monitor, and honestly, that is hurting you right now. I think you might, and this is up to you, want to consider a trade off here, the larger monitor is nice but having a video card with more memory in this case may be helpful with such a large monitor, it is not needed, but would be nice for when you are running higher resolutions.

Some other thoughts, change out your PSU. I am not crazy on ANTEC but this PSU is rated as a tier three, decent, and has a nice cost with two 12V rails at almost the same rating as your current PSU. Take a look at the PSU and the link to the site where you can get a good list of quality PSUs.

Antec PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103937

PSU Website
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088

In the end, if you are set on a 22" monitor go with this one here, the Samsung was selected as one of the better 22" monitors these days, 2ms response helps for sure. I see it is out on newegg and is a bit high; I picked mine up at circuit city with a rebate for just at 300.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001096

Now, one last thought, if you do have to go with the 320MB graphics card try and consider going with the EVGA card, main reason, they have a step up program where you can trade the card in within 90days of purchase and upgrade for the difference of the new card.

EVGA Site for Step up program
http://www.evga.com/stepup/

EVGA Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082

My overall recommendation, consider a 20" monitor, that will drop your overall cost a bit and you can get closer to your 1000.00 mark, you would also be able to upgrade your PSU and graphics card at the same time, if you are set on the monitor, than up the PSU and plan for an upgrade on your current video card in time as you may want to run that nice new monitor at high resolution and find you need a bigger card, I would have for you not to have the power you need from your PSU.

Anyway, these are just some thoughts, good luck!

 

[Abraxas]

agreed, 22" is nice, but you can do alot with a 19" widescreen.

I was going to suggest a Hanns-G, since it has some good reviews, costs less, and has good output. 5ms timing, but thats hardly a consern. If you can see ghosting, then you are special.

 

[clonecommander]

im still not sure about what im going to do

 

[Kronos76]

im still not sure about what im going to do

Sadly none of us can decided for you, in the end, if we did, you might get upset with our choices, since you have to be happy you must decided on this.

That being said, one big decision is do you go with the 22" monitor or not, believe it or not that is a big dollar item. If you go down to a 19" that would free up some serious cash and your demand for more Ram in your video card would not be as bad and you could go with the 320MB GTS card. From one perspective I think that will help you out a lot, other then that the parts you listed, allow with some of the other suggestions like a new PSU and such, should make a perfect computer.

Try this

Same Parts you mentioned
Processor: e6750 $183

Motherboard: Foxconn p35a $135

Video Card: 8800 gts 320 mb $280

New suggested parts

Antec PSU (70.00)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103937

Monitor: (210.00)
SAMSUNG 906BW Black 19" 2 ms (GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2000:1 DC – Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001094


RAM (Both are good and cost about 93.00, one has a rebate and the other is straight cost!)

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098


mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory – Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146118

TOTAL COST 973.00

 

[clonecommander]

kronos thanks im going to go with the parts you mentioned, but im going to dish out more money for the monitor, so it will take me a little bit over my budget, but i think it will be worth it.

oh and should i go with the acer 22" glossy or samsung 226wd.
which one do u think is better

 

[aevm]

Generally Samsung is higher quality than most other brands but more expensive. Go with Samsung if you can. Try to buy your monitor from a place with a good return policy, so you can return it or exchange it if it has dead pixels.

 

[clonecommander]

but do you think this acer is any good

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009111&Tpk=acer%2bglossy

 

[aevm]

Yeah, I like it and the price is good.

What is newegg's policy, if you get a bright red dead pixel in the center of the screen? Can you return it and get another? Who pays the shipping charges for returning it and for shipping the replacement? What if the replacement has the same problem? I honestly don't know, I live in Canada and can't buy from newegg. I may be paranoid, but I had this experience with an LG monitor and I was just lucky that FutureShop allowed me to replace it. The replacement is just great, no problems in 7 months, but that red pixel was driving me nuts.
A lot of local stores where I live have a policy like "less than 8 dead pixels is OK, you can't return it".

 

[clonecommander]

neweggs policy is that you

can return for replacement or refund if there is 8 dead pixels.

so that kind of stinks

 

[aevm]

Good to know, thanks. Yeah, I'd go to a local store for a monitor. Look for brands like Samsung or Viewsonic for example. LG and Acer also get good reviews, they just tend to offer fewer frills and lower prices. I have a Viewsonic at work and an LG at home, both 20" widescreen, and can't really see a difference except that the Viewsonic has some funny orange birds on it.

 

[Kronos76]

I am not familiar with Acer so I don't want to say they are good or bad, but I will agree, try and get something local, monitors or just strange beast, and shipping that for even one return will make your cost savings almost not worth it. If you can hold for the Samsung I would say go for it! Good luck, remember, in the end you have to be happy!