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Anonymous
February 25, 2005 1:09:55 PM

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This last week two KPIX-dt (San Francisco) foulups have occurred that strike
me as odd.

CSI and CSI Miami opening teasers had no dialog track. The background sounds
were there, but no actor dialog until the main body of the program began.
Noting that both programs clearly are produced by the same outfit MAY
indicate the issue is there, And further brcause the background tracks were
right I suspect the problem is not at KPIX.

I woulda' thought CBS would review their tapes before they aired them.
February 25, 2005 4:57:53 PM

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Tapes have nothing to do with it. Dolby encoding downstream from the video
playback. Not the production company or the station..somewhere in network
control.

"Larry Vanerwegen" <vanerwegen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> This last week two KPIX-dt (San Francisco) foulups have occurred that
> strike me as odd.
>
> CSI and CSI Miami opening teasers had no dialog track. The background
> sounds
> were there, but no actor dialog until the main body of the program began.
> Noting that both programs clearly are produced by the same outfit MAY
> indicate the issue is there, And further brcause the background tracks
> were
> right I suspect the problem is not at KPIX.
>
> I woulda' thought CBS would review their tapes before they aired them.
>
Anonymous
February 25, 2005 8:12:17 PM

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"Larry Vanerwegen" <vanerwegen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:111uqfhsf5dio2c@corp.supernews.com...
>
> This last week two KPIX-dt (San Francisco) foulups have occurred that
> strike me as odd.
>
> CSI and CSI Miami opening teasers had no dialog track. The background
> sounds
> were there, but no actor dialog until the main body of the program began.
> Noting that both programs clearly are produced by the same outfit MAY
> indicate the issue is there, And further brcause the background tracks
> were
> right I suspect the problem is not at KPIX.
>
> I woulda' thought CBS would review their tapes before they aired them.

I thought it would be a network foulup. So tell me CBS. Are you going to
get your act together?
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Anonymous
February 25, 2005 9:40:43 PM

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Larry Vanerwegen wrote:
> This last week two KPIX-dt (San Francisco) foulups have occurred that strike
> me as odd.
>
> CSI and CSI Miami opening teasers had no dialog track. The background sounds
> were there, but no actor dialog until the main body of the program began.
> Noting that both programs clearly are produced by the same outfit MAY
> indicate the issue is there, And further brcause the background tracks were
> right I suspect the problem is not at KPIX.
>
> I woulda' thought CBS would review their tapes before they aired them.

Nope. Not KPIX. Happened here in LA on KCBS as well.
Anonymous
February 25, 2005 9:40:44 PM

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"Steve K." <steve@nodamnspam.com> wrote in message
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> Larry Vanerwegen wrote:
>> This last week two KPIX-dt (San Francisco) foulups have occurred that
>> strike me as odd.
>>
>> CSI and CSI Miami opening teasers had no dialog track. The background
>> sounds
>> were there, but no actor dialog until the main body of the program began.
>> Noting that both programs clearly are produced by the same outfit MAY
>> indicate the issue is there, And further brcause the background tracks
>> were
>> right I suspect the problem is not at KPIX.
>>
>> I woulda' thought CBS would review their tapes before they aired them.
>
> Nope. Not KPIX. Happened here in LA on KCBS as well.

==========================
It happened in Seattle at KIRO, too.
Anonymous
February 27, 2005 3:19:05 AM

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:09:55 -0800, "Larry Vanerwegen"
<vanerwegen@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>This last week two KPIX-dt (San Francisco) foulups have occurred that strike
>me as odd.
>
>CSI and CSI Miami opening teasers had no dialog track. The background sounds
>were there, but no actor dialog until the main body of the program began.
>Noting that both programs clearly are produced by the same outfit MAY
>indicate the issue is there, And further brcause the background tracks were
>right I suspect the problem is not at KPIX.
>
>I woulda' thought CBS would review their tapes before they aired them.
>

Wouldnt it make sense if the FCC required the DTV station as
must-carry instead of the old analog station? It could be
downconverted at the cable head end, making the stations care most
about the DTV.

This would also advance the limp efforts our either impotent or
confused FCC has taken so far at clearing out the old analog
frequencies for the other uses.

Of course, they would have to stop forbidding stations from turning
off the analog station altogether.

Dave
Anonymous
February 28, 2005 4:15:36 PM

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"g666bush" <gw666bush/removethis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Wouldnt it make sense if the FCC required the DTV station as
> must-carry instead of the old analog station? It could be
> downconverted at the cable head end, making the stations care most
> about the DTV.
>
> This would also advance the limp efforts our either impotent or
> confused FCC has taken so far at clearing out the old analog
> frequencies for the other uses.
>
> Of course, they would have to stop forbidding stations from turning
> off the analog station altogether.
>
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This is similar to my thoughts too.
I think the networks should dump all SD transmission and let the stations
downconvert the HD/DTV signals.

I only get OTA, but they constantly screw it up.
No one is minding the station!
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 5:04:24 AM

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g666bush wrote:

> Of course, they would have to stop forbidding stations from
> turning off the analog station altogether.

There is one TV station in my area that is digital only: KCSM, a member
supported station which used to be channel 60 and now is four SD
subchannels, some empty or audio only.
Anonymous
March 2, 2005 1:40:06 AM

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On 1 Mar 2005 02:04:24 -0800, "Paul Kienitz"
<paul-NOZPAM@paulkienitz.net> wrote:

>g666bush wrote:
>
>> Of course, they would have to stop forbidding stations from
>> turning off the analog station altogether.
>
>There is one TV station in my area that is digital only: KCSM, a member
>supported station which used to be channel 60 and now is four SD
>subchannels, some empty or audio only.

I believe they let a digital only - but brand new w/o an existing
analog - sign on somewhere in Palm Beach FL or nearby.

Nonetheless, the FCC a couple weeks ago refused to let a (foreign
language) analog sign off. Who knows... with GWB--- perhaps the
language it broadcasts is SAUDI ! That would explain it.
Anonymous
March 2, 2005 2:14:33 AM

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g666bush wrote:

> On 1 Mar 2005 02:04:24 -0800, "Paul Kienitz"
> <paul-NOZPAM@paulkienitz.net> wrote:
>
>
>>g666bush wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Of course, they would have to stop forbidding stations from
>>>turning off the analog station altogether.
>>
>>There is one TV station in my area that is digital only: KCSM, a member
>>supported station which used to be channel 60 and now is four SD
>>subchannels, some empty or audio only.
>
>
> I believe they let a digital only - but brand new w/o an existing
> analog - sign on somewhere in Palm Beach FL or nearby.
>
> Nonetheless, the FCC a couple weeks ago refused to let a (foreign
> language) analog sign off. Who knows... with GWB--- perhaps the
> language it broadcasts is SAUDI ! That would explain it.
>
>
I believe the FCC has allowed three stations to kill their analog
station so far. This is the first one they have denied.

Bob Miller
Anonymous
March 3, 2005 5:03:18 AM

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"g666bush" <gw666bush/removethis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Wouldnt it make sense if the FCC required the DTV station as
> must-carry instead of the old analog station? It could be
> downconverted at the cable head end, making the stations care most
> about the DTV.

The problem is that the "DTV station" is either an HD channel, or 4 or more
multicast SD channels, compared to the single (analog) SD channel currently.
That means cable and satellite would have to allocate 6x the amount of
bandwidth for it. If they were only required to carry an SD/ED version of
one of the channels (either down-converted version of the HD channel, or
just one of the multicast), that wouldn't help the broadcasters much. If
that's all that will be carried, it's not really any different from carrying
just the analog feed.
!