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AMD Athlon 64 4000+ is a Beast!

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July 1, 2007 7:17:28 PM

Okay, my computer I use most of the time doesnt have the best parts in it, but I swear everything is instantanious. It can play every game, run any app without waiting, loads every so fast. I don't really understand, here are my specs:

AMD Athlon 64 4000+
1GB G.Skill 400mhz DDR
250GB Western Digital Caviar SE16 SATA
DFI Lanparty nF-4 Ultra-D
EVGA nVidia GeForce 7300LE
500watt PowMax PSU


I just don't understand... it shouldn't be running this fast... lol (not that i'm complaining)

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July 1, 2007 7:20:24 PM

My 600mhz Intel celeron on Kubuntu linux with 256mb of ram. Everything I do on that computer loads in an instant too. I'm not complaining either.

Try opening a render a 100mb Image in photoshop with your processor, i bet it's not going to be instantanious.
July 1, 2007 7:22:57 PM

Well I am running Windows XP Home, and well duh lol rendering is a different story
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July 1, 2007 7:33:47 PM

My 1.3Ghz AMD Duron on Freshly installed WinXP Pro loads everything instaneous too. But after a few weeks, it starts to slow down quite abit.
In your case, you have Athlon 4000+ X2 which is many times faster than mine and 2x the core. So in theory, your computer should load everything about 5-6 times faster than mine, but you can't notice the difference because everything loads in 1/2 a second vs 1/12 of a second. It's all a blink of an eye. If you compare at a Q6600 processor against yours, everything would load in 1/12 of a second vs 1/48 of a second which isn't noticible either. As the cpu gets faster and faster, you'll need a processor demanding task to really show its potential.
July 1, 2007 7:36:34 PM

And you are surprised because.................? The 4000 San Diegos are fast! :p 
July 1, 2007 8:05:33 PM

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My 1.3Ghz AMD Duron on Freshly installed WinXP Pro loads everything instaneous too. But after a few weeks, it starts to slow down quite abit.
In your case, you have Athlon 4000+ X2 which is many times faster than mine and 2x the core. So in theory, your computer should load everything about 5-6 times faster than mine, but you can't notice the difference because everything loads in 1/2 a second vs 1/12 of a second. It's all a blink of an eye. If you compare at a Q6600 processor against yours, everything would load in 1/12 of a second vs 1/48 of a second which isn't noticible either. As the cpu gets faster and faster, you'll need a processor demanding task to really show its potential.
He has a single sore athlon 64 4000+, and yes they are fast, i had a athlon64 3200, and I thought it was seriously kickass until i got a core duo laptop that converted videos to divx quite a bit faster than the 3200. single cores are dead, but you may as well ride it out until you absolutely have to upgrade.
July 1, 2007 11:28:22 PM

Yeah, I plan to ride this rig out for a while longer. But the weird thing is it handles every game quite damn good, I mean a 1GB, Athlon 4000+, 7300LE should not be handling games as well as this thing does. Its awesome, but sort of sucks because now I cant upgrade for a while... I love upgrading... Hmm, maybe theres some intense CD drives
July 1, 2007 11:45:11 PM

A 7300LE handles games well? Gotta admit I'm surprised too. :p 
What res are you playing at, 640x480? :wink:
July 1, 2007 11:46:15 PM

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A 7300LE handles games well? What are you playing at, 640x480? :wink:


No, lol Im at 1440 x 900

Weird! isnt it!
July 2, 2007 12:25:08 AM

It just means than you know how to use it right, keep it clean and without a lot of background apps. I have a 3500+ and it is still running nicely cause i don't abuse the ooomph it still has left. Runs all the games (not for much longer) I am willing to bet on your motherboard begin very good. If you get a DFI that does not burn up in 5 minutes they are VERY good boards.
July 2, 2007 12:36:26 AM

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It just means than you know how to use it right, keep it clean and without a lot of background apps. I have a 3500+ and it is still running nicely cause i don't abuse the ooomph it still has left. Runs all the games (not for much longer) I am willing to bet on your motherboard begin very good. If you get a DFI that does not burn up in 5 minutes they are VERY good boards.


Yeah, I do keep it clean and don't so stuff that would slow it down. I learned how to do this at my job. I work at a computer repair/retail shop. And yeah I spent some extra money on the motherboard which paid off, this DFI board is great
July 2, 2007 2:02:28 AM

Try COH at that res and 4AA or above, you will know it won't run that fast~~ :lol: 
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July 2, 2007 2:39:01 AM

Just upgraded a friends computer from an AMD XP platform to an AMD 64 4000+ and even though I'm used to running an AMD FX57 on my gaming rig, I was really impressed with the 4000+ even when everything was reinstalled and it was loaded up with programs, it pretty much rocked.

As far as he is concerned stepping up from the XP platform to A64, he is completely blown away at the performance difference, that doesn't mean theres not faster, just that he is satisfied with what he has, and thats really all that matters. :wink:
July 2, 2007 3:11:48 AM

well yeah theres faster, but really unless your really into multi-tasking, high-end gaming, and rendering then theres not too many reasons to upgrade from the A64 4000+. Its one of the best single-core chips out there. I dont know if ill upgrade this rig at all. I plan to just save my money id spend on it and put it aside for a whole new computer sometime around christmas time.

I want it to be something along the lines of this:

AMD Quad-Core Barcelona (high-end or highmid-end chip)
4GB DDR3 RAM
nVidia's new GPU they say can go 3x the 8800
a 15,000 rpm HD as primary
SATA 2.0 as backup
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit
July 2, 2007 3:23:23 AM

The 4000+ is an excellent chip. No longer state-of-the-art but more than good enough for what most people will need and costs peanuts these days.
It overclocks quite well also - to around 2.66 GHz
July 2, 2007 3:26:50 AM

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The 4000+ is an excellent chip. No longer state-of-the-art but more than good enough for what most people will need and costs peanuts these days.
It overclocks quite well also - to around 2.66 GHz


I overclocked it once. I have water cooling though, but I got it to 2.8Ghz! I then set it back to stock as I was afraid and didnt need the extra power
July 2, 2007 3:32:13 AM

I was using air cooling - it would run higher but was not stable. At 2.66 GHZ it ran Prime 95 torture test for several hours without a hiccup.
July 2, 2007 3:32:47 AM

Man, 4000+ is still good anyhow, what i can't believe is this guy can run current 3D games "fast" with a 7300LE at 1440 * 900~~~~ :lol: 
July 2, 2007 3:33:38 AM

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I was using air cooling - it would run higher but was not stable. At 2.66 GHZ it ran Prime 95 torture test for several hours without a hiccup.


Yeah, I didnt run any torture tests on it. I was doing it for pure enthusiast enjoyment.
July 2, 2007 3:34:51 AM

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Man, 4000+ is still good anyhow, what i can't believe is this guy can run current 3D games "fast" with a 7300LE at 1440 * 900~~~~ :lol: 


I know, its weird. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be able to say I can run current games on it tho with this 7300LE. I might upgrade once last thing in this machine, but even just so to a 7600GT.
July 2, 2007 3:42:05 AM

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Man, 4000+ is still good anyhow, what i can't believe is this guy can run current 3D games "fast" with a 7300LE at 1440 * 900~~~~ :lol: 


I know, its weird. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be able to say I can run current games on it tho with this 7300LE. I might upgrade once last thing in this machine, but even just so to a 7600GT.
7600GT is decent. i have an overclocked 7600GT(670M/1750M) as my current rig.
July 2, 2007 3:46:07 AM

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Man, 4000+ is still good anyhow, what i can't believe is this guy can run current 3D games "fast" with a 7300LE at 1440 * 900~~~~ :lol: 


I know, its weird. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be able to say I can run current games on it tho with this 7300LE. I might upgrade once last thing in this machine, but even just so to a 7600GT.
7600GT is decent. i have an overclocked 7600GT(670M/1750M) as my current rig.

Hows it hold up?
July 2, 2007 4:10:23 AM

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Man, 4000+ is still good anyhow, what i can't believe is this guy can run current 3D games "fast" with a 7300LE at 1440 * 900~~~~ :lol: 


I know, its weird. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be able to say I can run current games on it tho with this 7300LE. I might upgrade once last thing in this machine, but even just so to a 7600GT.
7600GT is decent. i have an overclocked 7600GT(670M/1750M) as my current rig.

Hows it hold up?
Rocky stable. Just squeeze the Mhz out with a tweaking driver.
July 2, 2007 4:12:31 AM

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Man, 4000+ is still good anyhow, what i can't believe is this guy can run current 3D games "fast" with a 7300LE at 1440 * 900~~~~ :lol: 


I know, its weird. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be able to say I can run current games on it tho with this 7300LE. I might upgrade once last thing in this machine, but even just so to a 7600GT.
7600GT is decent. i have an overclocked 7600GT(670M/1750M) as my current rig.

Hows it hold up?
Rocky stable. Just squeeze the Mhz out with a tweaking driver.

K, thanks
July 2, 2007 5:07:15 AM

I play BF2142 on my 7100GS (it's overclocked to 7300gs clocks).

At 1024x768 everything reduced to min except terrain at medium and textures at full. I get very playable 30-40 FPS. I am gameing on this every day. The game also looks good at these settings.
For those of you wondering if I dont know what im talking about I also have an x800xt in another comp. I just needed a new PCI-E card for a new setup that was built for work but since it can play BF2142 I wont complain.
July 2, 2007 6:01:21 AM

My PC goes from power on to desktop in about 20 seconds (XP Pro).

The games that it can run run pretty decently.

Keep it clean to keep it keen.
July 2, 2007 6:52:06 AM

I think you have a nice combination, AMD 4000+ San diego are good all around single core processor, but if you want to talk seriously you need to becnhmark your computer, I read the postings and some guy attacking you, obviously your posting don't have relevant information. Windows XP is a heavy OS, and you can do a lot of trick for free resources. A lots of variable come to the mind when you said my 4000+ are a beast.

But overall this chip are good, I had one for 2 years and ran very good. The HD caviar SE16 have 16 mb of buffer and that is important too, good HD. Good Luck! 8)
July 2, 2007 7:55:46 AM

what company is your 7300LE made from? I'm sure I'm wrong but aren't they the cards you can unlock the pipelines to make them a 7600? or is that the 7200?
July 2, 2007 9:48:03 AM

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I think you have a nice combination, AMD 4000+ San diego are good all around single core processor, but if you want to talk seriously you need to becnhmark your computer, I read the postings and some guy attacking you, obviously your posting don't have relevant information. Windows XP is a heavy OS, and you can do a lot of trick for free resources. A lots of variable come to the mind when you said my 4000+ are a beast.

But overall this chip are good, I had one for 2 years and ran very good. The HD caviar SE16 have 16 mb of buffer and that is important too, good HD. Good Luck! 8)

It is actually much easier to read text that is black and isnt in italics. It's up to you what you post like, I just find it odd to read lots of text that is all in italics.

@xpyrofuryx: 8O

@SteveMeister: 2.66Ghz? Isnt the stock speed 2.4? I would think even on air should should be able to go higher. I'm aiming for 2.6-2.7 on my 3700 which is 2.2 stock.
July 2, 2007 1:50:15 PM

I dont think you can unlock any PCI-E card, only AGP. The pipes are laser cut.
A 7300gs is just an overclocked 7100gs.

It's a 4 pipe chip. Unlike the GT which has 8 pipes. It could be a cut version of GT but I think the GS are manufactured as 4 pipe chips.
This is probably the bigest market the low end.
July 2, 2007 2:31:20 PM

i got a 4000+ and it was the best upgrade i did :) 
July 2, 2007 2:50:03 PM

Good for you. It's very rare to see someone who is satisfied by his/her CPU; I really hate those kind of guys saying "Well, I use my PC more or less for nothing but web surfing, word processing and photo collecting; should I get an E6700 or wait for the price drops and get a Q6600?!" 8O
Your requirements depend ONLY on what you do; if you do basic home stuff and modest gaming, good single core CPUs are still pretty decent. For graphics stuff, a good dual/quad core CPU makes sense but you have too check your budget after buying 4-8G of good, fast RAM. For CPU intensive stuff like rendering, audio/video encoding etc, you really squeeze the CPU and YOUR performance, linearly increases with the performance of your CPU; I was really happy after upgrading from my 2GHz Celeron to a 3000+ and swapping it with the current X2 4200+ gave me the same boost and I am waiting for something like a Q6600 or a PhenomX4 next year and so on,....
July 2, 2007 3:21:36 PM

Mine is a Monster.


Motherboard: EVGA T1 680i
CPU: E6600 L646G494 @ 3.7Ghz. 1:1 Ratio Linked & Synced Voltage 1.44 Load Temp 45c
Idle Temp. 25c
SPP:1.45volts, MCP: 1.50volts
Memory: Mushkin PC2 8000 2gig's 4-5-4-11, 2T Voltage 2.1
Swiftech Water Cooling H20-220
Video: One EVGA 8800GTS 320MB
Power Supply: Silverstone 750W
OS: XP Pro
July 2, 2007 3:29:46 PM

Who cares? My farm renders faster :lol: 

x2 3800@2.3 - 1.5giga
Opty165@2.7 - 1.5giga
E2160@3.2 - 2gigs

Adding a q6600 in there in about a month :twisted:
July 2, 2007 3:32:28 PM

Your system is quite decent but I'll advise that you upgrade soon. You should try playing Colin McRae DiRt, codemasters new game. I can bet you that you'll change your mind.

This game really eats memory, 1GB is not sufficient even at low resoultions (1024x768) with detail at medium. It levels it in record time. 8O

You can tell I just tried playing the game myself. (With a Athlon64 3200, 1.4GB RAM, Geforce 7600GT AGP version.)
July 2, 2007 3:50:49 PM

I have a AGP 7600GT, and with coolbit ocing alone it is running at 610 core and 800 mem (1600 effective). The rest of my system bottlenecks this card, so I rarely even overclock it. Am definitely looking forward to an upgrade, but if you are looking at a 7600GT, i recommend them, seems to me that it is the best bang for the buck right now.
July 2, 2007 4:27:43 PM

Are you implying your computer is somehow defying the laws of computing, physics and a whole bunch of other stuff?
July 2, 2007 6:14:02 PM

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Are you implying your computer is somehow defying the laws of computing, physics and a whole bunch of other stuff?


Yes. lol
July 2, 2007 6:43:07 PM

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Are you implying your computer is somehow defying the laws of computing, physics and a whole bunch of other stuff?


Yes. lol
Boy do I have a religion for you!!!
July 2, 2007 7:06:43 PM

Yea at one point and time I wanted a 4000+ sandy as well. Couldnt afford it at the time and bought a 3700+ sandy instead and ran it at 2.65ghz and it was great while I had it.

Best,

3Ball
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July 2, 2007 7:10:14 PM

cool
July 2, 2007 7:46:47 PM

My AMD system has an athlon 3500+, 2gigs of ram and I love it. I upgraded from a 2.7 celeron and what a difference 8O. I think people go overboard with their CPU's, it's not uncommon for me to have a few firefox windows open, an instant messenger, media player, vmware with at least one OS running, usually a few more random programs, and I can still play bf2 smooth as ever, all on one core.

The thing also idles in the high 20's on the stock heatsink(with a quiet 80mm fan mounted on it) and when cool n' quiet kicks in it drops into the low 20's

I love my a64 :D 

My friend has a c2d and it's definitely far better than my athlon, but for $24.99 on eBay I think I got my money worth.
July 2, 2007 7:53:40 PM

Hey xpyro,

Nice to hear someone actually saying their happy with their rig. I've had a number of AMD chips, and loved them.

Look at my sig, I LOVE MY RIG (I heard about the dothan and ct-479, and decided to give it a try in my P4C800 Deluxe).

I get 15,651 cpu score on Aquamark with dothan cloced to 2750.

Never had the need to upgrade ... until now (with new dx10 games coming). So, I'll get the new quad penryn (or nehalem), and nvidia's new chip in November or so.

I do keep my windows streamlined, and everytime things start to get busy, I ghost my drive back to normal.

Been doing that for years.

Windows is definitely "snappy".
July 2, 2007 8:18:58 PM

I love my rig. IMO the best S939 system (Pre-DX10) there is without watercooloing :p 

Although I would like to upgrade to a S775 system, its still running everything maxed out at 1280x1024, so why bother?
July 2, 2007 9:21:16 PM

Like somebody said before, try sometrhing cpu intensive, like encoding a video, and you'll see the difference.

Mind you, your cpu is far from bad, but it wouldn't be the first choice of anybody but low-end PC builder. Put it this way, my old P4C 3.0GHZ was quite fast after I reformat to give it to my father. It felt just as fast as my new PC (see signature below) until I would launch a game like Oblivion or transcode a movie from DivX to DVD format. Only then would I see the difference... and what a difference!

Want to improve a bit? Get 2GB of memory to start. And to play game, anything but your 7300 GeForce would be better. You know, I was also playing Prey "fast" with my Radeon 9800Pro... well, at low setting but at an astonishing 1280*1024 :wink: . I was getting 40fps average, and rarely any slowdown. Now, I get 1600*1200, max or high setting and more then 60fps. My eyes can tell the difference right away altough it felt good before.
July 2, 2007 9:23:20 PM

That rig isn't bad at all. Same as my own PC will look in 12 months from now, and believe my I won't change a thing if not for the VPU. I mean, what is bad with a X1900XTX?
July 2, 2007 9:30:16 PM

Actually I just remembered. You can unlock the other 4 closed pipelines, on a Winfast(might work with other companies) 6200 TD. It makes it have similar performance of the 6600. It is PCI Express as well.
July 2, 2007 9:33:13 PM

Yes but that is all luck of the draw from what I have heard. No sure bet.
Who knows what chips they used to produce those cards and what chips they use today. I think you can never know these things.
July 2, 2007 10:18:19 PM

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A 7300gs is just an overclocked 7100gs.


It isn't.

Its a different piece of silicon, the 7100GS is the same thing as a 6200 (NV44), where as the 7300 is a "true" Geforce 7 series (G72), albeit a cut down 7 series. The 7300LE is the same as a 7300GS apart from clock speed, where as the 7300GT is different again (G73 a slower 7600 GS / 7600 GT)
July 3, 2007 12:18:26 AM

I rock the 3700+ version of the much loved San Diego and I can't convince myself to upgrade... I just don't need to!

:) 
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