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July 2, 2007 9:09:43 PM

Hi

i am a noob when it comes to computers and i dont know much about them, i want to build a PC so i could play some games my friends helped me with most of the parts now i need a card for graphics, they recomended Nvidia 8800GTX something, will this be enough to play games, to be honest i will most likely play one game (2d fighting game called melty blood) will one of these card be enough they said i could put in 2 of them..
July 2, 2007 9:12:45 PM

Some friends...

Best thing to do is to tell us:

- your budget
- a more comprehensive list of other games you play (if any)
- the rest of your system specs
- the resolution you game at
- whether you do anything else with your PC (i.e. HTPC use etc)

From the very sketchy info you've given so far, an 8800GTX is likely to be extreme overkill.
July 2, 2007 9:45:10 PM

Ram 2 of OCZ2N1066SR2GK
Hard disk 150 gigabyte Western digital Raptor
Processor Core 2 Extreme
mother board GiGa byte GA-P35-DQ6
did i miss something?

well the budget doesnt mater very much, i just dont want to play games good,i dont want to look for parts or have my friends look for me because mine is not good
by resolution u mean screen thing?? i am not very sure...
i might watch video and listen to music on the computer but mostly play games
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July 2, 2007 11:52:32 PM

If you're going to get an 8800 GTX for 2D games it would be like shooting a nuke to kill a little bunny :D  . It's basically at the top of the list as far as videocards go ( besides an overpriced ultra). You're going to want a sturdy powersupply for it aswell, which is one part you haven't listed.
As for resolution, what monitor do you have? LCD, CRT, 19", 20",22"? By giving us these specs we should be able to determine what res you're likely to be on.
Are you going to overclock ? If so get a decent cooler, if not, you could settle for regular pc6400 ram unless the price is ok for what you chose.
Almost forgot... if you're getting the GTX make sure you buy a case that can handle it. Here's a list for those:

http://forum.sallandautomatisering.nl/viewtopic.php?t=4...

There are more of those out there so if you're thinking of a case that's not on the list just google or post back.

GL.
July 3, 2007 10:48:06 AM

to be honest i wanted to buy a dell , but my friend works in a computer store and he insisted that what he can build is better, and the PC would be worthless and i wont be able to play on it unless i get those i listed up, i never knew a PC should cost this much but o well, i might get a Sony bravia 42" full HD as screen and for power supply thing, u mean the box with a fan in it? i think it was 700+
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 3, 2007 11:01:39 AM

This may sound a bit blunt but from what im seeing money dosent really seem to be an issue for you so i would go to Alienware as they make dedicated gaming machines and just get whatever is the most expensive.
Mactronix
July 3, 2007 11:34:35 AM

Quote:
This may sound a bit blunt but from what im seeing money dosent really seem to be an issue for you so i would go to Alienware as they make dedicated gaming machines and just get whatever is the most expensive.
Mactronix


Word.
July 3, 2007 11:40:07 AM

That sounds like a nice rig.The 8800 GTX is top of the line except for the Ultra which is just an overclocked GTX and too expensive.Don't worry about overclocking or anything though, that machine will be a beast for gaming.The 8800GTS 640 is also a nice card and a little cheaper than the GTX.I would suggest at least a 22" monitor from samsung or viewsonic as TV's aren't the best for PC gaming. Don't go with Alienware as another poster said.They are more money for the same parts. Do a little research in the forums, on other tech sites,read some reviews,etc.You will learn and keep from getting stuck with things you don't need ,want,or can afford.
July 3, 2007 11:50:52 AM

you do realise that even a $400 pc can play 2D games right?

The components you mentioned would be the sort of stuff you would by if you wanted to play the new 3d games at a fairly high screen resolution.
July 3, 2007 1:17:04 PM

Maybe you should wait for the next Intel/AMD generation CPU due out in Q3 of '08. Also Nvidia is working on the new 9000 uberUltra to match a secret ATI 25 nm based GPU that will make the 8900 look like a FX5200. Both CPU and GPU will be based on nanocarbon material rather than silicon. You will be able to play any game at MAX on any size monitor plus it will do your homework or reports for you while you are out doing something else. I am surprised that your friend didn't tell you about this. He is probably holding back so his rig will have bragging rights! Trust me!
July 3, 2007 1:39:38 PM

Am i the only one getting a feeling that this is BS?
July 3, 2007 1:52:02 PM

Just get the GTX , then you will play games good.

:evil: 
a c 143 U Graphics card
July 3, 2007 2:52:50 PM

Something is fishy here. Your friend is advising you to buy overpriced parts such as Core 2 Extreme, 8800 GTX, DQ6, Raptor, DDR2-1066, and he probably makes a comission if he works at the store where you buy them. You could play your 2D games on a $500 machine and he makes you get a $4000 machine. Are you sure he's a friend and not just taking advantage of you?
July 3, 2007 3:55:04 PM

You should revise your guide to who is considered a friend, and by revise I mean tear it and put it alight. :lol: 

I would tell him to choke on his greed and show him a healthy dose of rude gestures.

If you want to play a 2D game, you won't need to spend more then $500 on a computer, and that's most likely including a monitor.
July 3, 2007 3:56:06 PM

from what i hear here it is either the parts arent good enough or that there are better, i am suprised by how much computers cost these day, 800$ for a case it is just a metal box, this all isnt very promissing and isnt motivating...

however i asked my friend about alienware and he said that it would be a good shot, he would get one for himself too. he also said it's better to get an alienware computer that you build on your own than building a normal one. he would get me one cheaper than other stores he said
July 3, 2007 4:07:22 PM

Where exactly does your friend work? I don't see how he can get you a cheaper computer from Alienware.

Where the heck did he find a case for $800? Top of the range cases (and you don't really need one of those) cost $300, maybe $400.

It sounds like a load of ... to me and it would seem he wants to buy the computer for you so he can tell you a higher-then-actual price and cash in on the difference.
a c 143 U Graphics card
July 3, 2007 4:26:36 PM

Or maybe he found a deal like "buy one get the second one 50% off". I'm buying some towels tonight with a coupon like that :lol: 

Either way, be very careful.

A really nice case like Lian-Li V2000 costs under US$ 400. I can't even imagine a $800 case, unless it includes some fancy liquid cooling system (which you totally don't need, by the way).

Alienware is good for people who know little about computers and have plenty of money and want to play the latest and most demanding games like Crysis or Flight Simulator. If that's you then do consider them, and also get a quote from Dell.
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 3, 2007 5:05:56 PM

Ok so this is a wind up right? you know jack S*** about computers but dont have to ask if a sony brava will even connect to one?
Its either that my friend or you are the most gullable person out.
Lets assume for a min that you are for real take a list of what your friend says you need and what they cost,go to Ebuyer or some other online shop(type "computer shops" in to your browser)and compare the prices.
Go to dell you can find them on line or phone them up ask them what it would cost.
compare what results you get and go with the cheapest.
Or is it a case of your friend will help you build it if you get the parts from him.
If so please remember that the price dell quote includes building one and sending it to you and a warranty.
July 3, 2007 5:56:04 PM

do me a huge favor and tell your friend to jump off a cliff and land head first on some boulders or some shit.

Thanks
July 3, 2007 7:41:33 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/07/03/the_best_gaming_...
Check this link and also go check Newegg.com to see what prices are.
1500$ will build you a really nice rig with monitor.Your friend either doesn't know better or wants to make a quick buck but there is price vs. performance to consider. Even though those are good parts he's suggesting you can get better bang for your buck if you check things out a little bit and not make any snap decisions.
July 3, 2007 8:09:39 PM

like i said...for your 2d gaming needs a $400 pc (and i mean the entire system) would be enough.
July 3, 2007 8:15:52 PM

I agree if thats all he wants to do but if he has some money and wants to do more in the future he can start like most of us did and learn to build his own with better parts for less money that will handle anything.Other than that get a Dell.
July 3, 2007 10:02:27 PM

ok i wont get the parts from the a** ho** i compared prices with newegg 200$+ atleast on each part
so now it is either i get my own part dell or alienware
July 3, 2007 10:32:11 PM

If you read the forums and ask some questions things will become more clear.I refer people to check out Toms Hardware or PCStats.com.They both have some good resources for what's what.Hey everybody started out as a NOOB.
July 3, 2007 10:36:42 PM

lol
July 3, 2007 10:39:02 PM

System requirements for melty blood :!: :roll: :roll:
Requires DirectX 8.1 or later
CPU: Pentium II or Celeron 330Mhz or greater (recommend Pentium III 450Mhz
or greater)
Memory: 64MB or greater (128MB or greater recommended)
VGA: Direct3D card or compatible with at least 640x480 resolution and
65536 colors. For high speed, VRAM16MB. (Recommended: GeForce256 or better)
Sound: DirectSound or compatible (required)
Peripherals: 4-button gamepad recommended (Keyboards do not support
simultaneous pressing of multiple keys)

Mike.
July 3, 2007 10:40:20 PM

That is sooo last milenium :D 
July 3, 2007 10:42:57 PM

So I don't need the 8800 ULTRA to play that?
July 3, 2007 10:44:44 PM

This is the first time one could actually recommend the fx5900. Make sure to update those drivers!
July 3, 2007 10:50:24 PM

I see my local computer shop trying to sell a 5200 for 180$.They will get some poor sucker to buy it.
July 3, 2007 11:35:34 PM

The issue with building any computer system is that what is state-of-the art today will generally be obsolete 6 months from now. At the high end it is also possible to pay a lot of extra money (like 4-5 times) for performance gains that in the real world won't really matter ($250K for a Ferrari F430, $1M for an Enzo - both are more than fast enough for most people so why pay 4 times as much).

For around $2K you can build something that will meet all your needs and keep you happy for probably 2-3 years. While an 8800GTX will produce great scores in benchmarks the human eye is not good enough to detect the difference between 100 and 200 FPS (once you are above 30-45 FPS most things will look okay to the eye) This is especially the case when monitor refresh rates at only 60-80Hz.

CPU - go for Intel E6600 or AMD6000+, both will give you more than emough performance and at a good price point. With E6800 extreme editions you'll pay 4 times the price for no noticeable real world benefit.

Graphics 8800GTS probably represnets the optimum $/performance right now. It is more than adequate for most things and a lot cheaper than an 8800GTX Use a 320MB version if you will game at less than 1650 x 1050 (generally a 20" or less monitor) and go for a 640 MB version if you plan on using anything above 1650 x 1050 (22" or larger monitor).

For gaming at high resolution the graphics card matters more than the CPU so spend the money there if that's primarily what you want to use he rig for.
July 3, 2007 11:50:54 PM

Yeah What Steve Meister said.
July 4, 2007 12:03:40 AM

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So I don't need the 8800 ULTRA to play that?

Let's put it this way: if you got one of the cards they give away for free on this forum, and got it from a person who is giving his away because he received a card from the same give-away, from a person who also received it from such give-away, you'd still have an over-kill. :lol: 


P.S. I'm sure there would be plenty of people more then happy to give you a list of parts you can order from Newegg.com. Either put it together or get someone to do it for you, even if they break the most expensive component, it'll only set you back like $60. Who knows, you might find it fun to put it together yourself, there's plenty guides out there.
a c 143 U Graphics card
July 4, 2007 12:26:46 AM

Here's a crazy thought: maybe look on eBay for somebody who wants to sell their old computer because they got a new one. Would this be a good idea, what do you guys think?
July 4, 2007 1:38:46 AM

Quote:
System requirements for melty blood :!: :roll: :roll:
Requires DirectX 8.1 or later
CPU: Pentium II or Celeron 330Mhz or greater (recommend Pentium III 450Mhz
or greater)
Memory: 64MB or greater (128MB or greater recommended)
VGA: Direct3D card or compatible with at least 640x480 resolution and
65536 colors. For high speed, VRAM16MB. (Recommended: GeForce256 or better)
Sound: DirectSound or compatible (required)
Peripherals: 4-button gamepad recommended (Keyboards do not support
simultaneous pressing of multiple keys)

Mike.
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
July 4, 2007 1:46:06 AM

I agree with Furious5k, Don't be afraid to ask in the forums. It's fun building a PC, you can ask the lists of parts here then order online. Then you can ask someone to build it for you. We all started as NOOBS. Heck my first time buying a PC I even bought a 5200 video card and I thought it was one of the Best (Just about a year and a half ago) and even played DOOM 3 on it (hell it sucks at uber low settings + overclock but still managed to finish it)

But now I even build and fix PC's for a small fee. Read in the forums and you'll learn plenty. 8)

PS. Got that card busted in less than a year :twisted:
July 4, 2007 3:02:11 AM

Also handy, go to your library hey its a free and very underutilised resource, borrow a book on upgrading and repairing your PC. First learn what the parts are and what they do and what they generally look like. Learn to discharge static before you touch electronics.

Also don't be too afraid, things on a motherboard can only go in one way and in one place. RAM won't even look like fitting in any place else, PCI cards will only go in PCI slots, PCIE cards will only go in PCIE slots, Same deal with SATA and IDE. The power cables will only go in one place and in one way. The hardest/nerve racking thing for me was getting the cpu in.

THe hardest thing I found was to realise that you need a little bit of force to get things in, not sledgehammer force but a little bit of persuasion.

Now that I've done it once, I'm not afraid to do it myself. Hey why am I going to pay $30 bucks for a tech to install a PCIE card when it takes me 2 minutes to do it myself.

Think of it this way, you've done a jigsaw puzzle before right you know the ones you get in kids meals at Mcdonalds or something? Well, it isn't to much harder than that. As long as you read, listen and follow the instructions
July 4, 2007 3:26:50 AM

post your budget, so guys here can give you advice

on what you can afford and what is compatible.

that way you'll save some serious cash.
July 4, 2007 4:43:51 AM

that game is SO old lol, anyways
computers are not as expensive as you think. you can get a ok gaming computer for like 1500, no need to spend more than really unless you really want the a nice PC :) 
also, if you are a "noob" as you stated, i would really recommend you buy a pre-built system, there are lots of issues you can run into when you build. you can get a good gaming machine pre-built from companies like dell, sony, cyber power, and others. plus when theres a problem and you need support, you can call the company, but you might not be able to fix the issue yourself if you build it, becouse there will be no one to call 8O
but dont get a PC from alien ware or vodoo or falcon norwest, they really are THE best PC's, but are also WAY over priced.
here are 3 good gaming rigs from Cyber Power, they make good PC's and have good costumer support.
In order from budget to high end,

Budget, 850$

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/inf7500.asp?v=d

Midrange/Mainstream, 1669$

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/infxlc.asp?v=d


High end (Not ultra high end, but really good) 4000$

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/infultimate.asp?v=d

This is all just prices for the box, not the screen/ext.

if you have anymore questions email me at bf2.steamkindaguy@hotmail.com :D 
July 4, 2007 3:33:29 PM

This is good advice - it is pretty hard to screw up a DIY build because computer systems are designed so things either fit together properly or they don't fit at all. The most critical things are ensuring your CPU is installed with decent thermal paste to ensure good contact with the heatsink fan. That and making sure you discharge static before assembling components - i.e. don't do a built wearing wool socks in a room with a nylon carpet - rather do it in your bare feet in a room with a tiled floor - less risk.
July 4, 2007 4:00:40 PM

Having read a lot of the posts I would suggest you sit down and define what you really want the computer for. If you are playing 2D games you don't need an uberexpensive graphics card like an 8800 GTX - its like using a backhoe to weed a flower bed. As some people here stated an FX5200 would probably do the job. I played Need For Speed maxed out on this card however by the time you get into games like Half Life, Far Cry etc. and want to play with high detail then you'll need something better. 8800 GTX's are for enthusiasts - the type of people who game many hours a week and spend all their spare cash on computer parts.

As several people here have pointed out it sounds as if your friend is giving you crappy advice and could be trying to make money at your expense - for example PC cases. $400 will buy you about the best you can get but for $80-$120 you'll get one that will keep you going for the next 10 years.

My advice - go look at some gaming rigs and see the type of games they play or simply go and test an Xbox 360 - that will give you an idea of what you can play on a computer costing around $1000. If you spend $2000 you'll get a computer with far better graphics capabilities than an X-Box. fyi an 8800GTX card alone sells for about the same as an X-Box.

To give you an idea - if you ar eplaying 2D games you could buy a 6 year old computer off eBay for $100-150 which would do the job.
July 4, 2007 8:05:05 PM

Quote:
To give you an idea - if you ar eplaying 2D games you could buy a 6 year old computer off eBay for $100-150 which would do the job.


Unless you are using emulation software. Metal Slug gave my previous PC a good kickin' (a x550 card and a 3GHz P4 with 1Gig RAM).
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