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Which X1650 Pro to get?

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July 3, 2007 6:46:46 PM

I have decided to upgrade my AGP (8x) video card for the time being until that time that I upgrade my system to a PCI-E. I have come to two Sapphire cards. They are:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I was hoping to get some guidance on which to purchase. My biggest question between these two is related to performance. Which of the two is a faster/better buy?
The GDDR2/512mb with a faster Core and Memory Clock (590/1380)
vs
The GDDR3/256mb with a slower Core and Memory Clock (450/1300)

Does the faster memory type make up for the slower clock/memory speeds compared to the faster clock/memory speed + the extra 256mb memory?

Any help that would be received is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Current Sysem specs:
AMD 2800+ @ 2175
Asus A7V8X-X
2GB PC3200
ATI 9600XT

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July 3, 2007 7:04:09 PM

In a straight choice between the two it has to be the gddr3 option as you say faster memory.
If you can get one though i would say get a x1650xt.
Most people would say get a 1950pro but make sure your psu can handle it.
This is sound advice but when it gets to the point of having to change the psu i personally cant be bothered.
Just out of interest are you on a budget and what is your psu.
Mactronix
July 3, 2007 7:17:12 PM

I have a 400W PSU right now. Wanted to stay under $100 for the GC.
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July 3, 2007 7:51:25 PM

That psu would be tight for the 1950 pro but i would definatly look at getting either a 7600gt or a 1650xt if you can.
failing that a i said get the gddr3 option.
Mactronix
July 3, 2007 8:14:35 PM

the gddr3 actually has a slower rated speed than the gddr2. so it would be better to get the gddr2 version.
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July 3, 2007 8:43:32 PM

Are you talking about the memory clocks of the two 1380/1300.
July 3, 2007 8:47:37 PM

yes. in spite of the faster memory type, the frequencies are what matters. the ddr2 1380 should be faster than ddr3 1300.
July 3, 2007 8:58:46 PM

I dont belive the newegg specs, x1650 pros are always 590MHz, and there is no way a DDR2 based card will hit 1380MHz....
July 3, 2007 9:11:05 PM

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I dont belive the newegg specs, x1650 pros are always 590MHz, and there is no way a DDR2 based card will hit 1380MHz....


i believe you are right.

the sapphire website does not quote any ddr2 more than 800 mhz for the 1650pro. this is probably a newegg goof!
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July 3, 2007 9:12:20 PM

Im sorry but we are going to have to disagree on this one gddr3 is better/faster than gddr2 on every review or forum i have visited which is why i have been slow replying, incase i was wrong. :? But as i say every thing i have read in the last 10 mins says im right.
I understand where you are coming from but still can not agree. :) 
Mactronix
July 3, 2007 9:15:24 PM

the GDDR3 version. on that VGA anything over 256mb is over kill anyways,
July 3, 2007 9:18:10 PM

nope.
various other sites also quote the gddr2 version at 1380 mhz clock.
i was unable to find 100175L anywhere in the sapphire website.
July 3, 2007 9:25:37 PM

@mac, looking forward to a debate. :) 
here's a review on fx5700s. one with ddr (NOT gddr2. ddr) memory and one with gddr3 memory, showing very little difference in spite of the gddr3 being 50 mhz faster clocked.
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=303&p=2
July 3, 2007 9:27:21 PM

@ mac,
could you give me some of those references, maybe i'm goofed up somewhere on what i understood? and i couldn't find any place where they had compared similarly clocked gddr2 vs gddr3.
July 3, 2007 9:30:07 PM

dont use a crap card lik that to compare that probably dosnt take any advantages of the gddr3

its lik mid range cards that cant max out settings, giving them 512mb memory dosnt do anything, but high end cards will reap the rewards
July 3, 2007 9:35:01 PM

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dont use a crap card lik that to compare that probably dosnt take any advantages of the gddr3

its lik mid range cards that cant max out settings, giving them 512mb memory dosnt do anything, but high end cards will reap the rewards


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR3

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It has much the same technological base as DDR2, but the power and heat dispersal requirements have been reduced somewhat, allowing for higher-speed memory modules, and simplified cooling systems.
July 3, 2007 9:49:08 PM

1380 mhz seems to be on the higher side for gddr2 memory. it will be one hell of a scorcher if it really ran that high!
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July 3, 2007 10:09:12 PM

Hi sorry about sleepless nephew to deal with,certainly will supply directions to info if not link.
Go to best priced graphics cards july 07 then go to the agp section and find the 1650 pro and read what it says then get back to me :) 
Mactronix
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July 4, 2007 12:01:49 AM

To me DDRII is never going to be as good as GDDR3 for the very reasons your wiki link mentions. The heat and power consumption on the DRRII standard are ridiculously bad in comparison. Both plain DDR and GDDR3 would be my choice if any type of overclocking were being considered. Ialso doubt that plain DDRII could efficiently reach those speed and still keep good timing on the modules.

I'd want to compare them on Samsung/Hynix/Infineon etc's site to see, because usually I'd expect the GDDR3 to have better timing at it's lower end than DDRII at it's upper end.

Usually DDRII is hotter, more power consuming, more unstable, and already near it's peak, so I'd avoid it unless test show a specific btch as being promising.
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