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Radeon HD 2900XT 1024MB GDDR4 vs. 8800GTX IN VISTA!!

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July 4, 2007 1:01:27 PM

Radeon HD 2900XT 1024MB GDDR4 vs. 8800GTX IN VISTA!!

Which is better in single card setup??

ATI seems to be dominating the dual config...

But single?
July 4, 2007 1:17:01 PM

Oh man, here comes the fanbois. Anyway, there's not enough proof yet to show ati's crossfire capabilities in vista but they do look promising. We just have to wait and see.
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July 4, 2007 2:06:42 PM

Don't feed the bears.

Was there supose to be a link or anything?
July 4, 2007 2:53:55 PM

GTX
July 4, 2007 3:11:37 PM

Until Tom's, Anandtech, etc do some reviews, no one knows that answer to this. Until reviews prove otherwise, the 8800 GTX remains the better of this pairing.
July 4, 2007 3:13:41 PM

Im a real rookie with this stuff...

But at looking at the Radeon HD 2900XT 1024MB GDDR4's specifications, it would suggest its better... and with Nvidia's driver problems on vista? Does anyone have any links to sites with benchmarks...

Will the nvidia correct its drivers to the extent that it would be safe to say it's better than the 2900XT?
July 4, 2007 3:16:25 PM

Thanx sailor, another question I was considering posting is which of the two is better for crysis... any thoughts?
July 4, 2007 3:26:54 PM

Until Crysis actually comes out and gets reviewed under the different cards, again, no one knows for sure. Some of the early reviews that have only measured 3DMark scoers, the 2900 XT with GDDR4 has done better, but that's a synthetic and not a real game.

Nvidia does have a number of Vista problems, the most notable being its troubles with SLI. As a single card, its done well enough. No one knows when, if ever, the driver troubles will be solved. Its possible that there's an inherent problem in the design that will only be cured with the next line (8900?) of Nvidia cards. But that's speculation and nothing else.
July 4, 2007 3:36:35 PM

Sigh, feared as much. I live in a lonely, technologically deprived area, I have one chance at getting a decently priced high end card (a 8800gtx here costs $1100 US). And thats in like 2 weeks. So its get it now or not get anything... And i'm thinking a pre overclocked 8800GTX (621/2000)
July 4, 2007 3:43:04 PM

A pre-overclocked card will do nothing that you can't do yourself using either Ntunes or RivaTuner. The only good thing it might do is offer a better warrenty, but for the most part, that is a non issue as no one can tell if you overclocked the card or not. The one thing that a pre-overclocked card will do is cost you more money.
July 4, 2007 3:52:10 PM

Tell me what you would do in my shoes... (E6600 2.4 @ 2.8 (water cooled); 3GB of DDR2667; 7600GT; P5W DH Deluxe; 400GB sata 3GB/S)
July 4, 2007 3:58:33 PM

I would compare the prices and buy whichever card is cheaper, the 8800 GTX or the 2900 XT with 1 mb GDDR4. Both would be so much better than your present card that you should be very happy. AMD/ATI is improving its drivers quickly, so its 1 mb card may end up better than the GTX. No one knows at this point. So again, I'd go by price, not the nametag.
July 4, 2007 4:01:00 PM

Many thanx...
July 4, 2007 4:01:20 PM

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Tell me what you would do in my shoes... (E6600 2.4 @ 2.8 (water cooled); 3GB of DDR2667; 7600GT; P5W DH Deluxe; 400GB sata 3GB/S)

why notget a evga 8800 320mb and buy a waterblock for it and oc to way beyond ultra speeds. you have your e6400 @ 2.8 only and on water? why not push that to 3.8 instead
July 4, 2007 4:13:40 PM

2900xt 1gb gddr4 is only really for people with enourmous moniters...
July 4, 2007 4:17:25 PM

You have a point... but poor planning and being a rookie led me to buy a Aquagate... i.e. processor only... but it works splendidly...
July 4, 2007 4:19:32 PM

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2900xt 1gb gddr4 is only really for people with enourmous moniters...


Hatman you clown. I swear I could make this card cry on a 1280x1024, even with a quad core etc...

Just look at oblivion...
July 4, 2007 4:26:34 PM

anyone have benchmarks or such for the 2900 xt 1gb? is it better than the 512 by a large amount?
July 4, 2007 4:53:30 PM

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anyone have benchmarks or such for the 2900 xt 1gb? is it better than the 512 by a large amount?


No, it's not much better, even in games like Oblivion.
July 4, 2007 5:12:19 PM

The 1024 is a BIT better but not much. If you have a monitor he size of a car then it is worth it for the RAM, but i cannot see another use for it (watch me justify my inability to get the 1024).
July 4, 2007 5:23:55 PM

GTX kills it. Especially when high IQ settings are applied.
July 4, 2007 6:02:29 PM

And what reviews do you base this on? The only reviews on the 1 gig 2900 I've seen so far only have been comparisons using 3DMark, and on those, the 2900 XT 1 gig beat the 8800 GTX. But since they are only synthetics and not games, I don't put a lot of faith in them.

Whichever card he chooses, 8800 GTX or 1 gig 2900 XT, he will have much better performance then his present 7600GT. I think teh best price is a better comparison for him at the moment.
July 4, 2007 6:08:02 PM

From what i know so far the HD 2900XT 1024 GPU is clocked at the same frequency 740MHz as the 2900XT 512 which mean it will not be much faster. The only improvement is the memory bandwidth and size that don't make any significant difference. I agree that 8800GTX will be a bit faster.
Consider that most of the games are more optimized for nvidia chips.
The way it's meant to be played.
July 4, 2007 6:23:17 PM

Since this fight wont matter in october or november when the G90 comes and kills my hopes and dreams, NEITHER.
July 4, 2007 7:18:35 PM

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Since this fight wont matter in october or november when the G90 comes and kills my hopes and dreams, NEITHER.
You can still get a R600 based card with the G90 coming out. While I wish ATI had a product ready to match the G90, I still want the fastest hardware possible and it looks like ATI won't be able to offer that.
July 4, 2007 7:27:27 PM

So the G90 is coming out in november or october???
July 4, 2007 7:49:56 PM

hey does anyone know an estemated price range for the 9800 gtx.
July 4, 2007 7:58:36 PM

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hey does anyone know an estemated price range for the 9800 gtx.


No, but I could give you a price on a nice 9800 Pro. No wait, that's an ATI card. I'm still willing to sell it for a couple hundred bucks, unless someone bids higher.
July 4, 2007 8:40:31 PM

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2900xt 1gb gddr4 is only really for people with enourmous moniters...


Or those who plays Oblivion with all possible high resolution texture replasements...
July 4, 2007 10:06:32 PM

Thanx morerevs...
a b U Graphics card
July 4, 2007 10:46:32 PM

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You can still get a R600 based card with the G90 coming out. While I wish ATI had a product ready to match the G90, I still want the fastest hardware possible and it looks like ATI won't be able to offer that.


Considering when the G9x series in launching I'll reserve judgement until I see them both play Crysis.
July 4, 2007 11:57:02 PM

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Considering when the G9x series in launching I'll reserve judgement until I see them both play Crysis.


So true.

I figure I'll probably skip a generation anyway. Seems like I remember some crysis demos were shown on an 8800gtx, and they looked pretty good. As long as my 8800 can keep me playing at acceptable levels, I aint gonna dish out the cash. Of course, I haven't seen any actual benchmarks of Crysis whatsoever. I would guess that both the 2900 and the 8800 can play it at acceptable levels, while the next gen would allow you to turn on even more eye candy (32xAA :lol:  ) If one is a few frames faster than the other, I can't imagine it being by that great of a margin. (or at least if it is, it will be priced accordingly :lol:  )

Personally I really wanted to get an ATI card this gen, but the delays were too much, and I was impatient. Hopefully they can continue the tradition of th x19xx series next gen.
a b U Graphics card
July 5, 2007 12:56:21 AM

While I don't expect major improvements next refresh the way we saw with the X1900, which was a big leap architecture/strategy wise. I think that the 65nm for both ATi and nV will be a nice little boost in performance, and should help bring power concerns in line for those migrating from an X1900. I suspect we'll see some more units that already exist (like more shaders for nV, more TUs and maybe ROPs for AMD), but nothing like the X1900's total change in load balancing.

What would be impressive would be better than GTX/XT performance with less power draw than a plain X1900XT.
July 5, 2007 4:11:20 AM

when are these refreshes coming?
a b U Graphics card
July 5, 2007 4:43:23 AM

I believe the nVidia card is sposed to be out q4 or late q3. Itll only be the top card, as this is their marketing map out.
July 5, 2007 5:25:33 AM

Consider that most of the games are more optimized for nvidia chips.
The way it's meant to be played.[/quote]

thats just a marketing scheme lol
July 5, 2007 6:10:09 AM

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when are these refreshes coming?


I wish I knew :p 

They are coming, but as to when, your guess is as good as mine.

I hope before the year is out. We will see.
July 5, 2007 6:16:44 AM

Right now, ATI has better Vista drivers. That said, I think it's a toss up between the X2900XT and the 8800GTS. Because of my motherboard limitations, I'll go 8800GTS, just to be safe.

This bit of oddity with my motherboard:

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One PCI Express X16 slot (Run at x8 mode)
(Due to the specification of the chipset, ATI X8xx, X7xx, X5xx, and X3xx series graphic card will not be supported.)
One PCI Express X1 slots
Two 32-bit Master 3.3v/5v PCI Bus slots


http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K9N...

That's why MSI tech support advised I go with Nvidia instead of ATI cards past the ones listed as incompatible.

If you don't have any motherboard limitation, and most Nvidia chipsets don't have this limitations. Then go with what works best in the games you play.

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hey does anyone know an estemated price range for the 9800 gtx.


No, but I could give you a price on a nice 9800 Pro. No wait, that's an ATI card. I'm still willing to sell it for a couple hundred bucks, unless someone bids higher.

Funny, very funny. He's actually referring to a report that the successor to the 8800GTX won't be the 8900GTX, but the 9800GTX. That's a joke on Nvidia's part, even if that's the actual designation of the next series' high end card. After all, the Radeon 9800 Pro trounced the FX series a few years ago. I have one in the closet, it was replaced in my AGP system with an X1650 Pro.
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