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July 6, 2007 12:10:39 AM

Just a few quotes from the article:

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The graphic demonstrates that AMD would outperform its rival by 25 per cent on integral and 60 per cent on floating point calculations.

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The benchmark data for the Intel processors however is outdated, and AMD's benchmarks are based on estimates for a chip that is much faster than the 2.0GHz model that will start shipping in August.

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The inaccurate information made AMD the subject of ridicule, especially because the company earlier this year denounced Intel for publishing skewed benchmark results.

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July 6, 2007 1:38:29 AM

Almost all companies will skew the facts in order to paint as rosy of a picture as possible, just go to a new car lot and look at the MPG on a new vehicle. I saw a new Ford superduty claiming 18mpg, the only way one of those beasts get this kind of milage is coasting downhill half of the time.

What is so bad about this is the big deal AMD made about how Intel was skewing facts and that AMD is so moraly superior that they would never do such a thing.

There are no benchmarks available even for the 2ghz Barc. Something is fishy but the truth will come out.
July 6, 2007 2:07:09 AM

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Almost all companies will skew the facts in order to paint as rosy of a picture as possible, just go to a new car lot and look at the MPG on a new vehicle. I saw a new Ford superduty claiming 18mpg, the only way one of those beasts get this kind of milage is coasting downhill half of the time.

What is so bad about this is the big deal AMD made about how Intel was skewing facts and that AMD is so moraly superior that they would never do such a thing.

There are no benchmarks available even for the 2ghz Barc. Something is fishy but the truth will come out.



The facts are that we have no benchies for the new AMD chips and the truth will come out when the chip comes out. Fish or no fish..........
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July 6, 2007 2:18:56 AM

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Nice Amd bashing there guys, C2D folks are all the same I tell ya. So glad I dont own one! Would prob hang myself from the monumental feeling of guilt of thinking I owned the king of CPUs and couldnt handle sitting on top of my high horse for this long, Rofl...


No one bashed AMD. People just pointed out the Hypocracy, lies and made up information. That's all.
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July 6, 2007 2:38:55 AM

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Nice Amd bashing there guys, C2D folks are all the same I tell ya.


I don't think so. A lot of people who own C2Ds are not fanboys at all. Some even are AMD backers that simply want something that AMD does not offer, like a UP four-core setup or a low-voltage mobile CPU in a thin-and-light computer.

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So glad I dont own one!


I'm glad that my new laptop I just ordered came with one as a 10-watt U7500 will run far cooler and run longer on a battery than any Turion 64/Turion 64 X2 will, while weighing less as well. I'm also very pleased with the performance of my X2 4200+ desktop and the fact that I was able to get a good dual PCIe x16 motherboard for a mere $110, something that's almost impossible to find with Intel boards. There are advantages and disadvantages to each makers' CPUs- get what works well for you and realize that it might not be the best for everybody else, too.

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Would prob hang myself from the monumental feeling of guilt of thinking I owned the king of CPUs and couldnt handle sitting on top of my high horse for this long, Rofl...


You need some fresh air, bud. Badly. Roll the chair away from the keyboard, walk out of the room and lock the door. Go do something physical like run five miles. Then come back when you're feeling better.
July 6, 2007 2:57:52 AM

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Nice Amd bashing there guys, C2D folks are all the same I tell ya. So glad I dont own one! Would prob hang myself from the monumental feeling of guilt of thinking I owned the king of CPUs and couldnt handle sitting on top of my high horse for this long, Rofl...


Well, I don't think anyone would be making a big deal about this if it wasn't for the fact that AMD made a big fuss about Intel publishing skewed numbers.
July 6, 2007 3:02:54 AM

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You need some fresh air, bud. Badly. Roll the chair away from the keyboard, walk out of the room and lock the door. Go do something physical like run five miles. Then come back when you're feeling better.[/quote]

No no no! You're going about it all wrong! First you have to offer payment...

BTW I purchased an EVGA 680i for my son 2 months ago for $112 w/shipping from newegg.
July 6, 2007 3:08:34 AM

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Nice Amd bashing there guys, C2D folks are all the same I tell ya. So glad I dont own one! Would prob hang myself from the monumental feeling of guilt of thinking I owned the king of CPUs and couldnt handle sitting on top of my high horse for this long, Rofl...


How exactly is an AMD spokesman saying that they:
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"We are working to remove that stuff from our website now. It isn't an accurate reflection of the highest performance [Intel processors]," Hughes acknowledged to vnunet.com.

equal AMD bashing? Does that mean Mr. Hughes is bashing his own company?

Did you read the article, or just simply read the posts, thinking that everyone had their AMD bashing hats on?
July 6, 2007 3:08:46 AM

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Nice Amd bashing there guys, C2D folks are all the same I tell ya.

I don't think so. A lot of people who own C2Ds are not fanboys at all. Some even are AMD backers that simply want something that AMD does not offer

Amen.
July 6, 2007 3:10:38 AM

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Nice Amd bashing there guys, C2D folks are all the same I tell ya. So glad I dont own one! Would prob hang myself from the monumental feeling of guilt of thinking I owned the king of CPUs and couldnt handle sitting on top of my high horse for this long, Rofl...


Well, I don't think anyone would be making a big deal about this if it wasn't for the fact that AMD made a big fuss about Intel publishing skewed numbers.

Again do we really know they are skewed? It aint over till the fat lady sings or at least AMD releases their new CPU's and they are put to the test. Don't count your chickens before they hatch can be used both ways here.

I don't see any AMD bashing here but it is kinda like a bunch of old ladies reading the national enquirer and then taking about what kind of trouble their favorite celebrity has gotten into this week.
July 6, 2007 3:15:45 AM

AMD bashed themselves, this has nothing to do with who owns what or likes what. AMD misrepresented their product by maufacturing information which is totaly false.

Maybe some of you care who is on top, 99% of world could care much less and are only looking for a bargain.

So in you way of thinking it's okay whan a company basically lies and misrepresents their product. Then when someone points this out they are supporting another companies product by doing so. Twisted, but it actaully shows either a lack of comprehension or probably just sour grapes.
July 6, 2007 3:18:47 AM

AMD admitted they were skewed.
July 6, 2007 3:22:31 AM

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Nice Amd bashing there guys, C2D folks are all the same I tell ya. So glad I dont own one! Would prob hang myself from the monumental feeling of guilt of thinking I owned the king of CPUs and couldnt handle sitting on top of my high horse for this long, Rofl...



Nice, assuming that everyone who is critical of AMD's recent behaviors as "C2D owners." It's fanpois like you that make me sick.

And as a defense for C2D owners, have fun with your hot power hogging CPU. :) 
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July 6, 2007 3:42:20 AM

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BTW I purchased an EVGA 680i for my son 2 months ago for $112 w/shipping from newegg.


I got my board about a year and a half ago, when the 975X or the obscure NForce 4 SLi for Intel were the only 2x PCIe x16 boards on the market. I like the extra slots as my GPU goes in one and I can put an x4 or x8 SATA controller for a disk array in the other without paying a bunch for a server motherboard. Even a decent UP server board is generally $200 or more.
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July 6, 2007 3:47:58 AM

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And as a defense for C2D owners, have fun with your hot power hogging CPU. :) 


The F3 6000+ is the one odd duck out in the AMD line. The rest don't run hot at all and the 45-watt BE series is much cooler than any Core 2 Duo. AMD does plan to release an 89 watt 6000+ shortly, so that should take care of some of the heat issue. My question is will they use the little bit of headroom and make a 3.2 GHz X2 6400+/FX-76/Opteron {1|2|8}224 SE at 125 watts until K10 ships?
July 6, 2007 5:10:35 AM

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AMD admitted they were skewed.




Do you believe everything you read........... :wink:

Was the answer "straight from the horse's mouth" ????
July 6, 2007 5:22:07 AM

It is no big surprise that AMD lied just like Intel. It is what big business does every damn day. I do not care what company it is. They all do it to some degree or another.
July 6, 2007 6:02:08 AM

Do you believe everything you read...........


After reading this board for the last few years I suppose not, go back and read the artcle AMD admitted they used bad numbers.
July 6, 2007 7:46:17 AM

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Do you believe everything you read...........


After reading this board for the last few years I suppose not, go back and read the artcle AMD admitted they used bad numbers.


Even some tech guys who should've known better were fooled. Check just a sampling of the retractions that came out yesterday:

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Two days ago, we reported on an article by The Inquirer that quoted purported SPECint_rate2006 and SPECfp_rate2006 performance numbers for 2.3GHz "Barcelona" Opteron. Well, the folks over at DailyTech apparently take issue with those numbers... [T]he numbers may not accurately represent how a 2.6GHz Barcelona chip—let alone a 2.3GHz one—compares against a Xeon 5335.


http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/12805

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Having gathered more information, it turns out that the Barcelona benchmarks are performance estimations for Barcelona at 2.6GHz, not 2.3GHz as originally reported. The results are also based on "internal AMD simulations", so the validity of the results is somewhat questionable


http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/07/04/early_barcelona...

Embarassing. Not just for AMD, but for every news outlet that reported these "benchies" as if they were the Gospel truth.
July 6, 2007 9:00:12 AM

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Embarassing. Not just for AMD, but for every news outlet that reported these "benchies" as if they were the Gospel truth.
Which will only alienate those writers/pubs . Just what AMD needs.... I can do better, and thats no lie. I know theyre under alot of pressure right now, Ive been in similar situation. They need to hold their heads up and be more confident. Beating Intel really shouldnt be the issue here as far as AMD goes, just be competitive. Id like to know whos doing/allowing this crap to happen, and dont blame the usual suspects, ala Henri et al, tho at this point if I was Henri et al Id be on it like a nice babe. No more of this AMD, please
July 6, 2007 9:02:50 AM

Who cares.
In the long run people buy what they need when they are ready to buy.

Fastest aside the best bang for the buck right now is an AMD system.
I just did an upgrad for a guy this week to a Optron server CPU with 2 cores for $169 (price/tax/shipping) that runs @ 3Ghz at a 1:1 ratio.
He could have not just upgraded but spent a ton on parts for the worlds fastest....all the same to me as I still get my $60 per hour.

Every 3-5 years when people upgrade they go for the best they can afford.

Not one of us here does not wish we could have built what we have now....at the prices we could get it for 6-12 months later.

Given the long viewpoint I will be buying another 1K shares of AMD Friday (in about 6 hours).

In 18 months (give or take) I may sale them and buy another low priced and soon to move stock.
More like they will be sold in a week though.

If it only goes up $1 in six months and I sale I will have made more than any CD or Fund by a longshot if you get the idea.

I buy/sale a few stocks each week in lots of 1K (broker charges $7 per 1k moved) and live on that very well.

Really....those who are always saying how "bad" off one company or another is are the same people who never get any value when they buy or invest.

If your just looking to sink some money into a longer term stock YUM is solid.
People buy ALOT of pizza,chicken and Pepsi.

Z
July 6, 2007 11:19:22 AM

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Nice Amd bashing there guys, C2D folks are all the same I tell ya. So glad I dont own one! Would prob hang myself from the monumental feeling of guilt of thinking I owned the king of CPUs and couldnt handle sitting on top of my high horse for this long, Rofl...


Someone touch a nerve per chance lol

Bitterness is all I can say. People who are smart (unlike fanboys like you) buy whatever is the best deal in terms of price and performance at a given time...sorry you feel so bad because it's not an AMD.
July 6, 2007 12:08:25 PM

It makes you just as dirty though.
July 6, 2007 2:16:38 PM

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It makes you just as dirty though.



Did they ever find those WMD's :wink:
July 6, 2007 3:25:22 PM

Fancy! - Ok, not 110, but it's $137. If you go small form factor, you can get what you want for under $100.

If you're going super cheap, you can actually probably find an MSI board for about $70. It may not support the best DDR2 speeds, but it will work and has PCIx16 :) 

I was surprised how much the Core 2 boards have come down...
July 6, 2007 3:33:14 PM

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Did they ever find those WMD's :wink:


Actually, yes they did, but that was not relevant to the news story they wanted to sell.

As for which CPU, kinda like ZOldDude said, for many, it is all about cost and bang for buck as well as what one can afford at the time of the upgrade.

There is another group of up-grader's, they are like me. I for one really do not care what system I use or which CPU. I always support the underdog if his product is near equivalent. My reason is that some of use need to keep that little guy alive so we have competition. Also, I am cheap, so keeping the little guy alive is actually important to me. Competition between more than one drives prices down. Competition between only one drives prices up. 8)
July 6, 2007 6:34:42 PM

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Sometimes to beat a dirty competitor, you have to cheat yourself. Goes for any sport or competition.


So, as long as you're advocating cheating...at least AMD could have been smarter at it. They've shown that they're too dumb to even do that well.
July 6, 2007 7:37:23 PM

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So, as long as you're advocating cheating...at least AMD could have been smarter at it. They've shown that they're too dumb to even do that well.


Now THAT is AMD bashing...please...


Must we bring up the good 'ol Athlon 64 days to shut the haters up?




HAVE FAITH!





-Cheese
July 6, 2007 8:31:29 PM

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So, as long as you're advocating cheating...at least AMD could have been smarter at it. They've shown that they're too dumb to even do that well.


Now THAT is AMD bashing...please...


Must we bring up the good 'ol Athlon 64 days to shut the haters up?


HAVE FAITH!

-Cheese

Can you tell that no one here has a sense of humor....(except for me) you insult their fav processor and it was like you insulted their mother. :wink:
July 6, 2007 8:47:40 PM

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So, as long as you're advocating cheating...at least AMD could have been smarter at it. They've shown that they're too dumb to even do that well.


Now THAT is AMD bashing...please...
-Cheese

So? When Intel does something dumb, I bash them too.
July 7, 2007 12:17:21 AM

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Nice Amd bashing there guys, C2D folks are all the same I tell ya.


I don't think so. A lot of people who own C2Ds are not fanboys at all. Some even are AMD backers that simply want something that AMD does not offer, like a UP four-core setup or a low-voltage mobile CPU in a thin-and-light computer.

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So glad I dont own one!


I'm glad that my new laptop I just ordered came with one as a 10-watt U7500 will run far cooler and run longer on a battery than any Turion 64/Turion 64 X2 will, while weighing less as well. I'm also very pleased with the performance of my X2 4200+ desktop and the fact that I was able to get a good dual PCIe x16 motherboard for a mere $110, something that's almost impossible to find with Intel boards. There are advantages and disadvantages to each makers' CPUs- get what works well for you and realize that it might not be the best for everybody else, too.

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Would prob hang myself from the monumental feeling of guilt of thinking I owned the king of CPUs and couldnt handle sitting on top of my high horse for this long, Rofl...


You need some fresh air, bud. Badly. Roll the chair away from the keyboard, walk out of the room and lock the door. Go do something physical like run five miles. Then come back when you're feeling better.

But wait... You acknowledge some of AMD's flaws, you are the enemy. If you don't spin every bit of information into a positive for AMD you MUST be an Intel pumper, right?


Sarcasm aside. I am EXTREMELY critical of AMD on these boards. Yet my home computer has an Opteron in it. Why? Because it was a good value at the time and could be an upgrade to my existing system. Yet, if I was to build a new machine it would have an E6600 in it. It's called common sense.

Anyone is entitled to back AMD or Intel no matter what. However, if you back a company 'just because', don't come to hardware forums where 'just because' isn't good enough.
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