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July 7, 2007 4:17:12 AM

I just bought all of the parts for my first pc. I heard about the intel price drops on july 22 so I just bought a decent pentium 4 for (60 dollars) to hold me over until then. I cannot decide If I should get the Q6600(1066fsb 2.4ghz) or the (I think it is called) the E6850(fsb1333 around 3.0 ghz). I bought a msi p6n diamon (although it cought on fire- have a post unfer general mobos here about it) and it can handel both fsb 1066 and 1333. The reason that I am asking for help is that I am a heavy gamer and this pc will probally be the one that i play crisys on. I dont know much about the benefits of dual and quad cores yet so I was hoping that someone else would know which one would be better to handle heavy gameing. Thank you in advance.

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July 7, 2007 4:20:19 AM

Q6600 hands down. Because you're playing Crysis which is multithreaded, Q6600 is a better deal.
July 7, 2007 4:20:37 AM

q6600 since that is 4 cores, and you can easily oc it to 3Ghz... so in turn it will be much faster.. also the E6850 IS EXTREMELY OVER PRICED
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July 7, 2007 4:44:45 AM

I have some friends that say that the E6850 will be better than the Q6600 becuase of the higher fsb(1333 compared to 1066). I am new to computer building and i admit that I still donot know much, but does the fsb really matter that much?

Thank you for your help :D 
July 7, 2007 6:07:02 AM

I don't know the game Crysis. But, in most cases, you will see FSB does NOT really help pure CPU performance for C2D series. I think it is because of the good L2 cache design. You can check E4300 vs E6300 benchmark from many many review on internet. The only thing metter is the core clock. E6850 is higher (if you are not planing to OC Q6600).

So, if Crysis is a heavy threaded game, go Q6600. if not, go E6850.:wink:
July 7, 2007 6:20:46 AM

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I have some friends that say that the E6850 will be better than the Q6600 becuase of the higher fsb(1333 compared to 1066).


When you compare E6750 and E6700, E6750 is faster by 1 or 2%.

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if Crysis is a heavy threaded game, go Q6600. if not


Crysis is heavy threaded game and gamers will see a lot of improvments when using quad core processor over dual core.
July 7, 2007 6:52:49 AM

That higher FSB does NOT make a lot of extra performance and after july it wont be extremly overpried it'll be the same price as a Q6600.

Also yes I now think its possible but I dont think everyone will be able to overclock a q6600 to 3ghz. As the guy sais he doesnt know a lot so probably best he doesnt overclock!


Its still a hard choice. if you're going to upgrade within the next year id say go with the e6850, because those 2 extra cores while supported on thing like crysis probably wont do much over 2cores anyway. And a 600mhz clock is a lot.
July 7, 2007 7:00:38 AM

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That higher FSB does NOT make a lot of extra performance and after july it wont be extremly overpried it'll be the same price as a Q6600.

Also yes I now think its possible but I dont think everyone will be able to overclock a q6600 to 3ghz. As the guy sais he doesnt know a lot so probably best he doesnt overclock!


Its still a hard choice. if you're going to upgrade within the next year id say go with the e6850, because those 2 extra cores while supported on thing like crysis probably wont do much over 2cores anyway. And a 600mhz clock is a lot.
I pulled this from another thread
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Definitely get the P35 with DDR2. Gigabyte has a good selection including GA-P35C-DS3R with DDR2 and DDR3 slots for a future upgrade to DDR3. The P35 gives a trouble free overclock to 1333, see the link to a good review.

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2989&p=1

Also you will need to get a good heatsink, don't use the Intel one. Try the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme paired with a Scythe S-Flex 120mm fan. Be careful with the case the Ultra 120 is tall.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 7, 2007 7:11:52 AM

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lso yes I now think its possible but I dont think everyone will be able to overclock a q6600 to 3ghz. As the guy sais he doesnt know a lot so probably best he doesnt overclock!


I think Maverick7 is trying to say that when you use a top notch air cooler like Ultra Extreme 120 and Tuniq Tower 120, its very easy to OC Q6600 to 3ghz.

I think you should definetly buy Q6600 if you plan on keeping the Cpu for 2+ years. Games with multithread will become popular thus Q6600 will become useful. You can overclock the Q6600 600mhz higher to match E6850, but you cannot overclock 2 more cores to the E6850.
July 7, 2007 2:53:06 PM

if i do get the Q6600 will it give me better performance over my 3ghz pentium 4 in games like half life 2, fear, and battlefield 2? I dont know if these games will be able to take advantage of multiple cores - if going by core clock my p4 is 600mhz faster than one core of the Q6600 thanks
July 7, 2007 3:07:53 PM

I'm also planning to buy new computer in a month, and went through the same question - Q6600 or E6850? After loads of reading, benchmarks, etc. came to conclusion - Q6600 is the way to go, will try to explain my thoughts on it :) 

E6850 is faster than Q6600 on most todays games and apps by ~5%, average. So for todays needs and up to one year - E6850 may seem to be better for casual user. But do we buy computer for 0,5-1 year? I'm planning to use mine for ~3 years or so, and soon most of apps and games will be multithreaded. In such scenario Q6600 is faster up to 80%!

I can bet most users wont notice ~5% difference, but everyone would notice 30-80% diff. 8)

These ideas about casual user, who doesnt encode, rip much. If you do - there is no even slightest doubt even for today Q6600 is way better choice.
July 7, 2007 3:09:42 PM

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if i do get the Q6600 will it give me better performance over my 3ghz pentium 4 in games like half life 2, fear, and battlefield 2? I dont know if these games will be able to take advantage of multiple cores - if going by core clock my p4 is 600mhz faster than one core of the Q6600 thanks

Q6600 will be up to 3x faster than your P4 :)  Just go for it.
July 7, 2007 3:22:15 PM

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if i do get the Q6600 will it give me better performance over my 3ghz pentium 4 in games like half life 2, fear, and battlefield 2? I dont know if these games will be able to take advantage of multiple cores - if going by core clock my p4 is 600mhz faster than one core of the Q6600 thanks



While core2quad is 2.4ghz and the pentium 4 is 3ghz, clock for clock core2quad is better, due to it being a much newer, more advanved model. It's likely even 1 core from core2quad at 2.4ghz would outperform a pentium4 at 3ghz.


And the awesome thing is that you have 4 of them!!!
July 7, 2007 4:06:45 PM

core microarchitecture is 90% more efficient than p4s. So if you buy a Q6600, it would be like 4.2ghz Pentium 4
July 7, 2007 4:15:08 PM

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if i do get the Q6600 will it give me better performance over my 3ghz pentium 4 in games like half life 2, fear, and battlefield 2? I dont know if these games will be able to take advantage of multiple cores - if going by core clock my p4 is 600mhz faster than one core of the Q6600 thanks


Hahaha :D  . After Intel and AMD put forth all that effort some people still don't know the difference between a Lamborghini 500HP and a MACK 500 HP Truck(One Races Hard fast, Other Pulls Loads Hard)

Both can be classified as Automobiles with Engines, but are completely different things all together
July 7, 2007 4:31:45 PM

Q666 :twisted:
July 7, 2007 5:47:27 PM

thanks for clearing this up for me. I will go with the Q6600 becuase I dont want have to upgrade soon after this. Now just to wait til july 22 for the price drops :lol:  thanks
July 7, 2007 9:10:48 PM

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thanks for clearing this up for me. I will go with the Q6600 becuase I dont want have to upgrade soon after this. Now just to wait til july 22 for the price drops :lol:  thanks
Smart decision. Remember match it to P35 mobo, see the links in my earlier post.
July 9, 2007 7:03:17 PM

Zorg said:
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thank s for clearing this up for me. I will go with the Q6600 becuase I dont want have to upgrade soon after this. Now just to wait til july 22 for the price drops :lol:  thanks
Smart decision. Remember match it to P35 mobo, see the links in my earlier post.



I already have a MSI P6n 680i Diamond. I had to rma it but in my opinion it is the best mobo ever
July 9, 2007 7:13:25 PM

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I say the Q6600 is the better choice also. Especially since you are want to play Crysis.




Ya. I think that the Q6600 should be good for gaming and i hope that It will last a couple of years.
I just hope that my 640mb 8800gts will be able to play bioshock on my 22in monitor.
July 9, 2007 10:16:04 PM

Get the Quad and you will have no regrets!!!!
July 9, 2007 10:21:13 PM

has anyone heard any info as to how high you could over clock a Q6600??
July 10, 2007 2:32:40 AM

Personally I'm getting one of the cheaper dual core and waiting until 2008 to get a quad core, mostly because the cheaper dual core fit my current needs and just in case the next gen quad cores are a huge leap, I'll have enough money to upgrade to them.
July 10, 2007 2:57:41 AM

I'd get the Q6600 too, but that's not to say the E6850 is a bad deal.

While 3.0GHz on a quad is possible with good cooling, 3.6GHz should be possible on the E6850 w/ stock cooling. Stock vs stock, or best overclock vs best overclock, the E6850 will smash the Q6600 on single-threaded apps.

But I agree with majority here. If you're building for the future, the Q6600 makes a lot more sense at the same price point.
July 10, 2007 5:40:07 AM

anyone know how much the E6850 will be?
July 10, 2007 5:44:04 AM

you still haven't realized why people are comparing Q6600 to E6850? It's because they're the same price after the price drop.
July 10, 2007 5:53:55 AM

jackluo923 said:
you still haven't realized why people are comparing Q6600 to E6850? It's because they're the same price after the price drop.


sorry i didnt know that they were the same price, i knew that they were close, but not the same
July 10, 2007 11:59:27 AM

try to get your hands on the G0 stepping of the Q6600. requires less power which = less heat output. all E6850's will be G0 stepping for reference.
July 10, 2007 5:45:28 PM

i just read about a "yorkfield" processor that is supposto come out Q1 2008. this thing has 8 processers, 12mb of L2 cache.

IS this real??? if so should i get a cheap C2D until this comes out. Having 8 cores on a pc would be awsome!!
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July 10, 2007 10:50:56 PM

jonj said:
i just read about a "yorkfield" processor that is supposto come out Q1 2008. this thing has 8 processers, 12mb of L2 cache.

IS this real??? if so should i get a cheap C2D until this comes out. Having 8 cores on a pc would be awsome!!



Only if whatever games you play or apps you use can them all. Otherwise you may be disappointed by the performance.

Going back to the original topic, personally for my needs I would go for a quad core 'cause I use my PC to encode video. I am currently using DivX, but I plan on moving over H.264 encoding which requires a lot of CPU power.
July 11, 2007 12:54:36 AM

Buy the Q6600 and set the FSB to 4x333 for an effective, FREE upgrade. Makes it look like a Q6750!

But you need a P35 board, and some good DDR2 800 (PC6400) memory. Look for 4-4-4-12 at the lowest voltage... 2.0V or less is great.

f61
July 11, 2007 1:46:38 AM

f61 said:
Buy the Q6600 and set the FSB to 4x333 for an effective, FREE upgrade. Makes it look like a Q6750!

But you need a P35 board, and some good DDR2 800 (PC6400) memory. Look for 4-4-4-12 at the lowest voltage... 2.0V or less is great.

f61



from what I read at MSI.com the P6N is newer than P35.
as for memory I have 2 gigs of DDR2 800 with a 1.8v. the mobo is VERY picky about ram voltage and the site says that it will only recognize 1.8v ram.
July 11, 2007 2:31:20 AM

I was on the fence FORRRRRRRRRREVER about quad-core or dual core, now Im certain I made the best choice with quad-core....
July 11, 2007 5:45:44 PM

Nazoroth said:
I was on the fence FORRRRRRRRRREVER about quad-core or dual core, now Im certain I made the best choice with quad-core....


ya quad seems to be the way to go
July 11, 2007 6:15:37 PM

get the quad. oc the babe like this. get some pc-6400 ram, set your multiplyer to 8 and your set. you'll get 3.2Ghz cores and 1.6ghz FSB.

good luck
July 14, 2007 4:27:38 PM

i have a D975XBX2. I haven't overclocked before. Will it be easy to OC a Q6600 on this board? I was leaning towards the E6850 so i didn't have to deal with it. Any thoughts ?
July 14, 2007 4:38:08 PM

I just purchased this board (Asus P5N32-E SLI nForce 680i SLI Socket 775 1333MHz DDR2-800 ATX Motherboard along with this memory ,Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400C4 2GB Kit DDR2-800 XMS2-6400 Xtreme Performance Memory and now I have to choose a CPu ( E6850 vs Q6600 ) my only question is that I don't play alot of games and I'm new at overclocking so which would be a better choice? Q6600 for the future or the E6850 for now and then go to a Quad after the new ones come out in 2008 ?
August 14, 2007 10:43:36 PM

Well same here i was thinking of a new pc and processor. since this quad core is a first leap in the next gen i think i would go for the E6850 and OC it the highest possible (since i will change the cpu when the new nextgen QUAD comes out.

I will buy a lian li A10A Modded with window and ultra VU blue light(chrome color) case with koolance watercooled 1200 watt Powersupply, with Asus Blitz extreme mobo, 2 gig ddr3, xtx 8800 gtx 768 MB Ultra 650mhz graphics card, all watercooled on the mobo, graphicscard, CPU, Memory, HD's and the northbridge of the mobo. IT will have a nice Ultra VU blue light with the CPU has a Red Watercooled color block. very nice :p  and all the cables are with VU Red and Blue Sleeves :)  i will build it soon have to order the CASing in the USA.

That will be an awsome gaming pc :) 
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