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AMD X2 4200+(AM2) to 5200+... Worth it?

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July 10, 2007 1:58:31 PM

Im gonna majorly upgrade my system later in the year im getting a 8600GT and MAYBE a 5200+. I say the 5200+ b/c the 4200+ has a 1mb L2 cache and the 5200+ has a 2mb L2 cache! Would I get any better performance? And I have a 300w +12v = 19a psu will that power a 8600GT and 5200+? I have DDR2-533 ram as well that wont kill the cpu right? I know it would for a Intel.

:p  Thanks for the Help! :p 
July 10, 2007 2:21:32 PM

not worth to upgrade from 4200+ to 5200+
July 10, 2007 3:16:31 PM

LouieV3 said:
Im gonna majorly upgrade my system later in the year im getting a 8600GT and MAYBE a 5200+. I say the 5200+ b/c the 4200+ has a 1mb L2 cache and the 5200+ has a 2mb L2 cache! Would I get any better performance? And I have a 300w +12v = 19a psu will that power a 8600GT and 5200+? I have DDR2-533 ram as well that wont kill the cpu right? I know it would for a Intel.

:p  Thanks for the Help! :p 


I´m almost convinced that the move from DDR2 533 to DDR2 800 with tight timings would almost be as good as a processor upgrade since AMDs platform lives and dies with it´s memory performance.
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July 10, 2007 3:25:08 PM

LouieV3 said:
I say the 5200+ b/c the 4200+ has a 1mb L2 cache and the 5200+ has a 2mb L2 cache!


keep im mind that the caches on these are 512K per core on the 4200+ and 1MB on the 5200+ and since these aren't intel chips they can't use the entire cache if they need it...so in reality its essentially just 512K and 1MB on the cache just like a single core chip...you can't think of them as combined, you will end up cheating yourself.

my opinion is its not worth the upgrade, i have my 4200+ OC to 2.5GHz (the 5200+ is @ 2.6GHz) and my opinion is that DDR v DDR2 makes no difference whatsoever with AMD chips...but with proper benchies im sure i could probably be proven wrong...but i doubt it, AM2 was a sidestep in the ol' AMD roadmap...did nothing but provide a new platform for future technology (phenom) but do nothing to improve the current performance of s939...again, just my opinion, please don't take offense :D 


July 10, 2007 4:04:21 PM

Agreed.
July 10, 2007 4:32:49 PM

LouieV3 said:
Im gonna majorly upgrade my system later in the year im getting a 8600GT and MAYBE a 5200+. I say the 5200+ b/c the 4200+ has a 1mb L2 cache and the 5200+ has a 2mb L2 cache! Would I get any better performance? And I have a 300w +12v = 19a psu will that power a 8600GT and 5200+? I have DDR2-533 ram as well that wont kill the cpu right? I know it would for a Intel.

:p  Thanks for the Help! :p 

You will definitely be stretching the limits of your PSU. The 8600 series of cards is nothing like the 8800 series of cards when it comes to sucking down the power... but 300W is still on the slim side once you start throwing in new processors like the 5200+. Perhaps you should consult an online PSU calculator?
July 11, 2007 2:26:26 AM

I just did a eXtream psu calcualter and a 5200+ 1 7200 hdd 8600GT one CD/DVD drive is just 240w (Whats EE tho when I choose EE 5200+ I get 219w) and I still get 240w with a 4200+ and if I put a 7600GS(what I have now) and a 4200+ I get 225w so is it safe to get a 5200+ and a 8600GT or just get the 86GT
July 11, 2007 2:29:28 AM

oh and offtopic K10 is a japanese resturaunt not just AMD's new cpu's lol

http://k10.com/
July 11, 2007 3:45:34 AM

LouieV3 said:
I just did a eXtream psu calcualter and a 5200+ 1 7200 hdd 8600GT one CD/DVD drive is just 240w (Whats EE tho when I choose EE 5200+ I get 219w) and I still get 240w with a 4200+ and if I put a 7600GS(what I have now) and a 4200+ I get 225w so is it safe to get a 5200+ and a 8600GT or just get the 86GT


EE is the energy efficient version that uses less power and runs a little cooler
July 11, 2007 4:06:42 AM

How can I get an EE 5200+?
July 11, 2007 6:44:26 AM

if I get that and a 8600GT ill be fine armaright?
July 11, 2007 6:56:20 AM

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LouieV3 said:
I just did a eXtream psu calcualter and a 5200+ 1 7200 hdd 8600GT one CD/DVD drive is just 240w (Whats EE tho when I choose EE 5200+ I get 219w) and I still get 240w with a 4200+ and if I put a 7600GS(what I have now) and a 4200+ I get 225w so is it safe to get a 5200+ and a 8600GT or just get the 86GT


Don't forget, you need to take power efficiency into account with the 300W PSU. Even at 80% efficiency the PSU can only give about 240W. That is the whole 240W not including any fans.
With the latest AMD price drops it may be worth your while to look at the 6000+.
July 11, 2007 7:34:08 AM

I put everything in the PSU calc and it says with the EE and the 8600GT it only used 219w. And where do I find the eficancy?
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July 11, 2007 8:54:26 AM

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Throwing out a number I would say you would see a 15 - 20% increase in speed, and you def need a new PS. 300w dont cut it these days. Prices just dropped on X2 Cpus, shop around. Maybe go with a 5600+ or 6000+ ($169 on NewEgg now) But you will need a better bigger Ps for those Cpus!


What brand PSU are we talking about here? an Acbell TruePower 300 easily powers an E6600 and 8600GT ;) 
July 11, 2007 10:02:41 AM

I posted a link to it above. Its pretty decent and it says I will use 219w with the EE5200+ and a 8600GTS lol im just gonna get a 8600GT tho and OC
July 12, 2007 2:15:05 AM

Do I need thermal paste if im not OCing it?
July 12, 2007 3:59:55 AM

Would upgrading my ram to DDR2-800 be better than the 5200+?
July 12, 2007 4:36:05 AM

k, there are charts that show the different frequencies that'll work best with ddr2 800 on the x2 procs... so mem, may or may not be a good choice, look it up on the articles on toms.... and an 8600? may or may not be a bad choice... depending... stream procs are good... on the 8 series... performance vs. price on 7900gs is awesome now... hd 2600's just released for dirt cheap... keep an eye on prices and what not.

1. proc speed on an amd x2 (due to integrated mem controller (intell will switch to as well) cirtain proc speeds will run your ram at full speed... so watch that and see what your best results will be... eg. if your current proc will run ddr2 800 at full speed... upgrade your memory... if it won't and the new proc will... upgrade the proc, then upgrade the ram later.

2. as for the 8600... depends on gt or gts. gt is not worth what it costs as far as i'm concerned and as far as most (legitimate) reviews are as well. the gts is a better buy. waiting a few weeks/months? wait to see what ati hits with the 2600's... the price is hot and the ACTUAL performance has yet to be seen. :-p

3. PSU... I don't think the new hd 2600's require an external power connector (look it up i'm not sure) but i know that most video cards these days are going to suck down a butt load of power... 12 amps isn't enough... i'm running 16 amps on my +12v and i'm very limited... so the new ati's may be a good choice... just make sure you check the amp requirements on any video card you may or may not buy... especially if you like pretty psu's (cuz you can get cheap 36amp psu's but they're ugly and loud :-p )

errr... no other thoughts now.... pm me with questions or whatever. I'll give ya an honest answer to the best of my knowledge ... just do like santa... check your list twice before you buy. :-p
July 12, 2007 5:20:55 AM

I have 19a on my psu not 12.... where did you get that lol and I really want to play oblivion and the 8600GT looks like it maxes oblivion at 1024x768(my moniters res) and I dont care about DX10 I just want the power of the 8600GT it looks really good ive seen alot of benches for it and I really want it. Im thinking of not getting the cpu now instead im just getting a 8600GT... the HD2600XT uses ALOT OF POWER I will run the HD2600PRO but the 8600GT is better.
July 12, 2007 5:28:43 AM

You should always use thermal paste. Even the generic stuff is better than nothing.
July 12, 2007 6:16:22 AM

@ LouieV3:

A 7900GS will run circles around that 8600, and Vista has no prob's with it. Really, dude, consider at least a 400W PSU.

And if your cheap, then buy a Brisbane 3600 and o/c it to hell. Its cheaper than the Windsor 5200. Both Windsors 4200 and 5200 sux at o/c.

f61
July 12, 2007 8:32:55 AM

Well I cant upgrade the psu and the 7900GS is similar in benchies to the 860GT and the 5200+ has a larger L2 cache...
July 12, 2007 9:22:08 AM

LouieV3 said:
Im gonna majorly upgrade my system later in the year im getting a 8600GT and MAYBE a 5200+. I say the 5200+ b/c the 4200+ has a 1mb L2 cache and the 5200+ has a 2mb L2 cache! Would I get any better performance? And I have a 300w +12v = 19a psu will that power a 8600GT and 5200+? I have DDR2-533 ram as well that wont kill the cpu right? I know it would for a Intel.

:p  Thanks for the Help! :p 


I think you got that backwards you AMD fanboi!

For Intel Core2 vs AMD AM2 CPUs memory speed is much more important for AMD and doesn't affect Intel too much at all. For AMD you want the speed as high as possible, for Core2 you get good performance as long as its running at 1:1.
July 12, 2007 10:44:13 AM

bren_1a said:
Spoiler


Don't forget, you need to take power efficiency into account with the 300W PSU. Even at 80% efficiency the PSU can only give about 240W. That is the whole 240W not including any fans.
With the latest AMD price drops it may be worth your while to look at the 6000+.
Spoiler


efficiency factor is other way spoiler if the PSU is useing 300W it will be useing 360W at the wall (asumeing 80% efficiency) i do not recommend useing an 300W PSU any way unless its an Good brand (i never use any thing less then 400W PSU) and if you planning on useing an video card you should change your PSU to an named PSU ("420W Thermaltake Purepower" thay are quite comes with an PCI-E power plug and Sata power as well)

and the 6000+ for the Price and the Drop in ram speed (6000+ use half deviders on the ram) and the Heat the 6000+
the 5600+ is an better buy and will run quite happy at 3.1ghz
July 12, 2007 1:53:03 PM

haha, I dunno where i got the 12amps.... I was tired. :-p
July 12, 2007 1:58:18 PM

nacho I sent you a pm (theres internets at the hotel im at :D ) and im getting a 8600GT from eVGA and will I lose performance if I get a 1gb stick of ram to replace a 512mb stick I have four 512mb sticks in there and I put a singe 1gb stick it will deactivate duel channel correct? will I lose performance ten?
July 12, 2007 3:52:16 PM

I think you are confusing the 8600gt with the 8600gt. The 8600gt is AFAIK no way similar in performance to a 7900gs. Maybe better at video decoding.
July 12, 2007 3:54:19 PM

... couldn't edit my post. Odd.

I meant 8600gts versus the 8600gt. lol
October 31, 2007 12:46:08 AM

fanboi may night be the right term to use here buddy... intel wishes it could switch over to an integrated memory controller, and stated that they will do so, but if they'd do that now they would lose their "edge" and their "edge" also makes every speed of memory save for ddr2 800 expensive... oh and an outboard memory controller is also slower and heats up your chipset, and makes your mobo more expensive... :-p sorry guy. no fainboi's here... just guys without a lot of money and want some good performance without all the bs. hehe.
October 31, 2007 1:32:32 AM

That is exactly why I go with AMD. I like their overall package (motherboard chipsets, memory controllers), even if Intel makes arguably better CPUs. As for the original question, just wait another month or two for Phenom.
October 31, 2007 3:40:51 AM

nachowarrior said:
fanboi may night be the right term to use here buddy... intel wishes it could switch over to an integrated memory controller, and stated that they will do so, but if they'd do that now they would lose their "edge" and their "edge" also makes every speed of memory save for ddr2 800 expensive... oh and an outboard memory controller is also slower and heats up your chipset, and makes your mobo more expensive... :-p sorry guy. no fainboi's here... just guys without a lot of money and want some good performance without all the bs. hehe.


What? Where did you dig this thread up 3 months later? Since I'm the only one who called anyone a fanboi I assume you are replying to me? Um... I wasn't referring to you or saying that an integrated memory controller was a bad thing in anyway whatsoever. Why don't you actually read my posts and perhaps some benchmarks before you post next time to avoid embarrassing yourself again. I own 3 AMD based systems and AMD stock as well so you are an incredible dumbass for implying that I am anti-AMD in any way possible. You are obviously a fanboi as well so I feel I must set you straight:

There is no debate over weather or not Intel has better performance.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html

As far as overall value for your money I would point you toward a recent Toms Hardware article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/09/10/the_500_gaming_m...

Now shut your mouth, quit digging up 3 month old threads, and go troll somewhere else. pwned.
October 31, 2007 3:52:15 AM

burntham77 said:
That is exactly why I go with AMD. I like their overall package (motherboard chipsets, memory controllers), even if Intel makes arguably better CPUs. As for the original question, just wait another month or two for Phenom.



I don't think we need to wait...

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3092&p=3
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=199190
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=199451

Phenom will be better but no real competition to Intel on the high end, except hopefully on price/performance.

Edit: I thought you meant wait to see how Phenom will perform... now i realize you were responding the over three month old question in the original post. Enjoy the links anyway!
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October 31, 2007 4:30:37 AM

Honestly, no. I say save the money and wait for the new CPU's coming out.
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October 31, 2007 5:12:11 AM

I honestly think you should wait as well.

But if you must, you should either use the Black Editions 5000 or 6400 with an unlocked clock multiplier and you will get better usage of your memory as well...
October 31, 2007 7:08:28 AM

get the 6000+ black edition -- if u plan to overclock.
or else get the 6400+.
get yourself the 8800gt 512mb instead of the 86000gt.its worth the extra money.
October 31, 2007 7:18:43 AM

ROFL!!! You guys all realize this thread was started in July??? The last time the original poster (LouieV3) even posted was July the 12th. I'm sure if he was still interested he would have posted in this thread or created a new one.

I really think this thread is out of date and needs to be sent back into retirement. If LouieV3 is still around and interested in what you have to say I'm sure he will post something.
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