video card

What's your budget, and what games do you play?

Well you can get a 7600gt those are quite psu friendly and has good performance.
An x1950pro just sucks some serious juice from the psu and with that cpu i think more then a 7600gt is going to turn into a bottleneck.

Im willing to spent up to $320 or so. As for the power supply i dont remember waht i have but i knwo is way more than what i need the current moment. I play RTS games mainly and supreame commander is a demamding game that is why the im looking for the upgrade.

I'm sorry but I just play games I don’t understand what you are saying "Supcom" "GUP" "Core 2 Duos" "Athlon X2s" I know some things about computers but not to your lvl.

You are Wrong there. XFX has come out with a 7900 & 7950 series for AGP graphic cards.This is what us at NewEgg right now. XFX PVT71AYDF3 GeForce 7950GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail $269.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150223

Listed below are all model #'s from XFX website.
NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GT AGP 8X 512MB DDR3 (PV-T71A-YDL3, PV-T71A-YDF3) Pixels per Clock (peak) 24

NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GT AGP 8X 256MB DDR3 (PV-T71A-UDF3) Pixels per Clock (peak) 24

NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GS AGP 8X 256MB DDR3 (PV-T71K-UDL3, PV-T71K-UDL7) Pixels per Clock (peak) 20

NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GS AGP 8X 256MB DDR3 (PV-T71K-UDF3, PV-T71K-UDF7) Pixels per Clock (peak) 20

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/produc [...] roductId=0

Seems XFX took a page from what Gainward did last year in Europe, when they came out with there AGP 7800gs+ cards.

Hope this helps you out some.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102071
The Nvidias are overpriced compared to ATI's. And ATI outperforms them in this segment.

what kinda problems have you run into? iv had ati and nvidia cards, never had an issue with drivers from either company. if anything, the x1000 series drivers were much better image quality wise than the 7000 series cards.

so you would pay an extra $100 just cause the drivers "are complicated"

also, the x1950XT out performs all the current nvidia AGP lie up, including the 7950

The pro might have "only" 12 pipelines (the XT has 16), but each pipeline has 3 shader units attached to it, giving it massive shader power. I also don't understand what you're talking about with a complicated updating process. AMD provides us with new drivers EVERY MONTH (for those of you who are looking for frequent updates.) and they are a breeze to use. Toss in the mentioned lower cost and higher performance, and you would have to be an Nvidia fanboy to buy the 7950 series cards. (did I forget to mention HDR and AA at the same time? Is there anything the 7 series can do better then the x1k?)

touché

but still....id still go for the x1950 cards

oh wait...i already have one

But does your PSU handle it OK???

The main point of this thread is to give "lola" the best choice for his oney and gaming experiance. With that said.

The Ati 1950gt series (with only 12 pipelines and cheaper by $90 on the 7950gt) maybe can run most current games at medium settings.

Now the XFX new 7900/7950 agp series cards (run at 20 for the 7900GT or 24 pipelines for the 7950GT), you can run at High graphic settings for games out now and those in current pipeline. Plus XFX has Double Full Lifetime warranty on there graphic cards.

Both the ATI 1950gt and XFX 7900GT/7950GT need an extra power supply connection. Plus no doubt that both ATI & Nvidia have other agp cards coming out for the 2400/2600 & 8000 series in near future to run on Vista and use dx10, but only using 32 Stream Processors at least (since they are completely different and not to be compared with pixal pipelines).

Now on my history of computers and graphic cars go back to 1995.
Matrox (pci)
voodoo 1 addon card (pci)
ATI (pci)
Canopus Voodoo2 addon card (pci)
Nvidia (1st gen) card (pci)
ATI Radeon 64DDR card (agp)
3DFX 5500 card (agp)
Nvidia 4600ti card and up to 7800gs> (which was used with a Intel 3.4ghz P4 cpu) (agp)
Nvidia 7950 gx2 Quad SLi (PCIe)

So when ATI/AMD does come out with a better card then Nvidia. I might go and buy one. The ATI 2900 xt was a start in the right direction, but came out with to young of drivers, huge power demand and runs very hot.

Have a Good Day now!!!

Then whats is this in Red below.

Brand SAPPHIRE
Model 100171L
Interface
Interface AGP 4X/8X
Chipset
Chipset Manufacturer ATI
GPU Radeon X1950PRO
Core clock 580MHz
PixelPipelines 12(36 Pixel shader processor)

goddamn son!! im 17 and i thought that i was the youngest one among the people of this forum

What you mean NewEgg isn't an authoritative source for information on VPU design. Who'da thunk it?

Wow. Clearly this must be spelled out for you.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/grap [...] &chart=278 This is battlefield2142 @1600x1200 with 4aa/8af (max quality.) Keep in mind that this is the 256MB x1950 pro, against the 512MB 7950GT. Scores are .2FPS off, tie.

Do people play Oblivion? Same settings, different game. Both cards score low here, but the x1950pro as a percentage scores quite a bit higher.

How about prey? At 1600x1200, the 7950GT manages 5 more FPS. As a percentage, your looking at just over 15%. Not to bad for the more expensive card with more ram. (both are "playable" at 30FPS.)

I'm not sure what you mean by "medium settings." Toms seems to think that you can use max settings on several games with no issues. Yes the 7950GT beats it in games like Doom3 or Flight sim X (both seem to like Nvidia hardware over AMD.) But there are also times that I just showed you that the cheaper "12 pipeline card" can beat the one you're suggesting. If you want real power, you can always get the x1950XT, which should beat the 7950GT with ease. (scores 8 more FPS on Doom3 then the 7950GT.)

Do you plan on keeping your monitor> If so, whats the resolution/size? Going from there, unless its a large monitor Id recomend the 8800gts 320 mega byte. Great card. As for the rest, Itd best be taken up in the general builds or cpu forums

I know of plenty of people using X800 cards (me being one of them), and the 6800's most definitely didn't and still don't "beat the heck out of them". And what's the point of having sm3.0 if at the time hardly any games supported it, and the cards themselves (except the 6800ultra) weren't quite powerful enough to fully utilize it?

Here's a build for about $1229 before Shipping and taxes:

EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130072

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115003

GIGABYTE GA-P35C-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128048

SeaSonic S12 Energy Plus SS-550HT ATX12V / EPS12V 550W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CE, CB, TUV, FCC - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817151027

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145590

Western Digital Caviar SE WD2500JS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822144417

You are likely going to need a new power supply especially with a 8800GTX, and 20GB of HDD space is not much anymore, games are taking anywhere between 4GB-8GB each and Vista alone can take I believe 10GB+, the bare minimum for HDD space now is ranging on 100-120GB at the VERY least.

The motherboard I chose for you has support for DDR3 in case you want to use that in the future. I'm not sure if you need an OS or not, so I didn't list one, but if you do and you plan on getting Vista then please get Vista 64-bit version and not Vista 32-bit, otherwise you'll end up paying Microsoft down the road for another OS when you want more than 4GB of ram.

The system EMP recomended will play anything you want to play and still leave you with enough money left over to get a nice 22in.+ monitor.No point in spending a bunch on the old system.If you don't want to do that I still say,for AGP the 1950 series rules the roost.I run a 7900gt that I am happy with at the moment so nobody start the fanboy crapola.

I wan't to assure you all that im not a fanboy but maybe features that we don't see the point in having today maybe tomorow will have sense in having them.
That's just a point of view or an alternative because we don't know exactly what dx10 games will be. And how will they behave on curent generation dx10 capable cards.

I don't know how the X700 was a big dissapointment. The X700Pro was less than the GF6600GT in many situations (but not in all by a long shot), but the plain X700 was faster than the plain GF6600 by the same margin. And then the X300 outperformed the GF6200 wich couldn't do OpenEXR HDR either (except those that were really just crippled GF6600s).

So overall out of all the lines launched by both, that generaton was the closest that either company has stayed to each other where it mean more about the suffix that cam after the card number than just the colour of the badge and the first few digits alone.

I'd say the FX5600 and X1600 were far bigger dissapointments, very similar to this generation of #6## cards. As a lineup though the X8/7/3 did well against the GF6 series.

Well i don't know about it ape well maybe the x300 could do hdr but would it still be called gaming or slideshowing.
And for dx10 there is absolutely no full dx10 game out there they are all derived from dx9 look at this ape http://www.hothardware.com/News/DX [...] st_Planet/ and let me know if you see any difference.
Dx10 is just used(at least now) so that people ho don't know nothing about computers to buy vista and a dx10 capable card. I mean until a year or so we won't even know what dx10 will look like not even crysis will look to different from actual dx9 games.

busted

oh wait...i was on the same boat...lovely

Ape sorry if i have wrote something wrong and upset you, i was just saying an opinion. As for the 6 series and any series i don't think the low end parts where made for gaming i just pointed out that it was a great graphics card series, lot's of 6600gt's and 6800gt/ultra/gs where sold, and i think that after the fx series nvidia really hit the jackpot with the 6th series.

sales could be attributed to the late release of the x800s more than the prowess of the gf6...

...sales numbers != product quality.

just my 2 bits.