Need help cutting price down water cooled pc from $4333

ok here is my build, i need to know how it will oc, and if i should bother with the ultras, and any other suggestions you might have, thanks.

canadian prices

Case: Lian Li V2000 $280 (i absolutely need this case to put my radiator box in it.. if i get suggestions about putting my rad box in my case then i may think about it, but this case has 2 fans in the bottom compartment if ur not familiar with it, and im probably going to cut another 120 mm hole on the other side to blow air in, then the other would suck air out)
accessories: clear side panel $40 (iv got to see this rig! lol)

Mobo: EVGA Nforce 680i $282.40

Graphics card: 2x EVGA 8800 Ultra $1,519.98 ($759.99 each)

Ram: Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-9136C5D 2GB 2X1GB PC2-9136 DDR2-1142 CL 5-5-5-15-2T 240PIN Dual Memory Kit $$575.39

Hard Drive1: 36GB WD Raptor 10,000 rpm $144.71
Hard Drive2: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 1TB 1000GB SATA2 7200RPM $429.99

PSU: OCZ ProXStream 1000W ATX V2.2 20/24PIN 80MM Fan Active PFC Power Supply $324.99

DVD writer: Samsung SH-S183A Black SATA DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL 8X INT DVD Writer $51.60

(idk if i need this...)Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-FI Xtreme Audio 24BIT Sound Card 7.1 PCI $54.18

CPU: Q6600 not sure on price right now, but i assume like $300 or so on july 22

total computer cost: $4006

i need to cut some stuff down so that i can still afford a water set up to cool the cpu and perhaps chipset.. i dont know what ram to get.. i saw dominator for like $225 so i may opt to get that instead, but does anyone know what ram has those little lights on the side green yellow then red...? damn that looks cool, and if i had 4 sticks!!! crazy haha. anyways im not sure if the 680i has integrated sound.. so do i need the sound card or not??

not sure on the hard drives, raid 0 or not!!!!! cant decide!! and i dont think i want that 1 tb card since frankly that is just too much and too costly, so can anyone suggest a 500 gig hard drive thats good? like this one for $118 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500GB SATA2 3GB/S 7200RPM

as for water cooling i was going to get the following parts to cool the cpu: (i need suggestions)

arctic silver 5 $8
Copper TDX Block for Intel 775 Processors $53
(radiator)Thermochill PA120.3 $135
Danger Den DDC-12V 18 Watt Version 3.2 (this pump is only 3/8" so is that worse than 1/2 or not??)$75
Danger Den Dual 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir $32
Tube clamps $10
tubing $14
(i have noooo idea at all what sort of solution to use but ill assume it comes to $50)

total water cooling price: $327 ($377 with water additives)
Total cost: $4333 (too bad it wasnt 3333 :S) lol (insert old :lol: smiley.. sigh i wish we still had that old smiley)

anyways i need to get it to around 3900 or so including the water cooling system... if possible i would like to get it to about 3600/3500 around that area, since taxes are an absolute killer where i live... like 13% or something ******* crazy like that.. god damn British Columbia.. honestly i should just drive down to Washington or Seattle or somewhere where the taxes aren't too high... because here in Canada its hell...

anyways thanks for the help

*ooo last thing before i forget... should i just wait till the 8900/8950 and penryn... !!! GOD DAMN i cant decide... all i can say is that right now i have 2 computers, one of them just literally blew up, like the power supply caught on fire.. (record breaking temps here where i live 35 degrees celcius) and the system im on right now is embarrassing

only a 8800gts
e6600 @ 3.2Ghz
... lol

my system is as follows:
p4 2.4ghz
ocz 420 watt psu (upgraded in 2004 i think or 05 i cant remember.. whenever bf2 came out)
BFG 6600 GT OC (upgraded when i got psu)
2 gig ram (upgraded from 512 when i got psu)
asus p4s8x
80 gig hd
pretty cool case lol but only 1 fan pretty crazy actually, when i take the side cover off, my cpu drops 10 degrees idle LOL)
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  1. err, why the 2 8800 ultras? what screen do you have?

    I would put one in, buy a good watercooling system (because even if you upgrade your graphics card and cpu, most of the parts from your watercooling rig dont need to change.

    things like graphics cards and cpus you upgrade all the time. things like cases, psus, cooling rigs you tend to not upgrade so much.

    if you really want sli, get 2 x 8800 gtx in sli, and watercool then overclock them.
  2. 2 ultras are pretty much a waste of cash, they will perform better than 2 GTX's but you could get 2 GTX's and slighty OC them and save yourself alot of money.
  3. if you want a killer rig, you have over speced it into throwing money away

    1) keep the case, DVD

    2) any 680i Mobo are good, i use abit but asus are savage too

    3) Power supply even though Ocz are good ( have one ) PC Power and cooling are better rated....

    4) Ram $500 on ram ??? great maybe but you should be able to 99% of the performance at 200$

    5) 2 8800 ultras ???? you have a 30 inch 2560 * 1600 monitor ?, if you need two cards just get the regular 8800 GTX if you get them with the watercooling blocks on you'll save a lot of hassle

    6) Hard drives not the best choice, for a fast drive get 150gb Raptor X and for big drives get 2 500gb samsung, WD,or seagate much cheaper

    7) Cpu by an E6600, the quad while better will be slaughtered before an e6600 overclocked become too slow, with game still not taking advantage of all the cores, and buy next gen after christmas

    my 1 euro
  4. hmm ic ok lets assume it is just 2 gtx cards, what then do i change??
  5. Raptor X = waste of cash, although they look cool.

    Regular Raptor = still waste of cash, but still super fast and might be worth it to you.
  6. get cheaper ram. as oakley says, expensive ram is the biggest waste of money. dont get me wrong - get good name brand ram, but dont pay that much money for it! get 4 GB instead of 2, although you might want vista 64 for that.

    get one or two raptor 74 gb and one or two 500 GB from seagate or wd.

    if you want the ultimate bling for your pc, get a physx card. it is expensive, has lots of transistors, and does almost nothing for your pc. at least now anyway.

    personally I would go with a q6600 and oc it.
  7. The raptor X has the same internals as the 74 Gb raptor
    The raptor 150 has different re slower internals

    I have the raptor X in the computer and start up and applacation loading is very fast
  8. gaaaa i posted right after u did but i didnt see ur post before i posted.. no edit :(

    why would i get a 150 gig wd raptor?? there is no difference except the 150 costs a lot more.. and since i wont be saving stuff on it, what is the point??

    and sry i dont understand what you meant by ocz someone or other and the psu..?

    and how about this then for the build:

    Case: Lian Li V2000 $280
    accessories: clear side panel $40

    Mobo: EVGA Nforce 680i $282.40

    Graphics card: 2x EVGA 8800 GTX $1,306.28 ($653.14 each)

    Ram: Corsair XMS2 Dominator TWIN2X2048-6400C4D 2GB 2X1GB PC6400 DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12 240PIN Memory Kit $265

    Hard Drive1: 36GB WD Raptor 10,000 rpm $144.71
    Hard Drive2: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500GB SATA2 3GB/S 7200RPM 16MB Cache NCQ Hard Drive $154

    PSU: OCZ ProXStream 1000W ATX V2.2 20/24PIN 80MM Fan Active PFC Power Supply $324.99

    DVD writer: Samsung SH-S183A Black SATA DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL 8X INT DVD Writer $51.60

    (idk if i need this...)Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-FI Xtreme Audio 24BIT Sound Card 7.1 PCI $54.18

    CPU: Q6600 not sure on price right now, but i assume like $300 or so on july 22

    total computer cost: $3205

    arctic silver 5 $8
    Copper TDX Block for Intel 775 Processors $53
    (radiator)Thermochill PA120.3 $135
    Danger Den DDC-12V 18 Watt Version 3.2 (this pump is only 3/8" so is that worse than 1/2 or not??)$75
    Danger Den Dual 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir $32
    Tube clamps $10
    tubing $14
    (i have noooo idea at all what sort of solution to use)

    total water cooling price: $327

    total price: $3532

    i just need to get the other questions i had answered which were at the beginning. and are my hard drives ok?? and should i go raid 0 i still cant decide.. and is it even worth it to spend $327 and not even cool the gpu etc?? though cooling the gpu would cost like an extra 200 probably... or what about the chipset>??? and asus striker extreme is it worth it to get that mobo?? and for ram could i go cheaper because i dont even plan to oc it at all, i just want to get the q6600 to like 3.6 or so stable and run that constantly if thats possible etc.. and i want to get around 1700+ 3d marks 2006

  9. doesnt the 36 gig have the same internals as the 74 except smaller etc???
  10. gahh.... im looking at the toms hardware charts for it, and it doesnt, so what about a 74 and the other hard drive i mentioned the 500 gig one??
  11. Do you really need 2 8800? then if so go for it, but at the moment you will probably get better results using one 8800 than 2 as SLI isnt scaling too well.

    also if you want a quad core wait for the july 22nd price cuts then go for Q6600 and overclock, should save a few $
  12. you can edit. the button looks like a pencil on a page, hover over it and it says quick edit. didnt notice that either.

    as for raid 0 or not, I dont know. I installed vista yesterday on my new machine, with a raid 0 array (2 x 320 GB seagate 7200.10 drives). so far, its fast, but I dont know what it would be like if it had only 1 7200.10. its a lot faster than I'm used to certainly.

    I would hazard a guess that raid 0 doesnt make that much of a difference. but as I said, I dont really know, I cant compare my rig easily. unless someone has similar specs, and we did a subjective and objective comparison (athlon x2 5600+, 2 GB ram etc etc).
  13. the 74 is $205 so

    total system cost is: $3592

    btw the system= 4k WITH TAXES.... grrrr ****.. :(
    i somehow have to cut like another 200 off...

    *and i did notice the pencil thing right away but it wont let me edit.. like it says ur not allowed to edit this page ... :(

    *btw now all of a sudden it is working... before the edit button was at the very top now its down bottom right.. weird i guess thg is fixing some things
  14. The 36gb raptor is just fine for your intended needs and it'll save you some money as well. You could always pick up another one later on for RAID 0 if you find that the single 36gb version isn't enough for you. You also probably don't need a 1000W power supply. I drummed up what you have listed in the power supply calculator with a decent OC on the Q6600 and GTX's and it gave me a suggestion of 772W. 850W PSU should still be more than you need with some room to grow on. As for your pump you could get a swiftech 655 pump it's pretty much the same as the more expensive DD 1/2 inch pump. 1/2 inch tubing will give you better performance especially if you're running your components in a series. Also ditch the resevoir for a T-Line setup that'll save you some money as well. Since you're water cooling you'll want to make sure you have enough air flow for the chipset and PWMs or water cool those components as well. I would also ditch the sound card until you know if you really need it. Stiker Extreme isn't really worth it.
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    EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
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    Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail
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    If i were in your shoes.... and room for water cooling

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  16. i'd go with the above, the gtx water blocks will get your gtxs' higher than any ultra :p, also, i'd switch that pc p&c 1k for

    2 reasons, it doesn't sound like a leafblower its cheaper, and sure, it supposedly isn't as reliable, but it has more power to make up for the lower supposed reliability, so as it ages it won't be effected as much as the pc p&c.

    ps, stuff the raptor, get 4 of the 500gbs, go raid 0+1, same performance, if not a tid better and no risk of data loss

    pps, your tyrael (sp?) so just summon yourself up an awesome rig wiht your angel powers...
  17. You still don't need a raptor X over a regular raptor, you're paying more for is looks as they are mechanically the same. Also a 1Kw PSU isn't needed.
  18. 1 Kw power supply are very important

    a) Future proofing, computers are unlikely to become less power hungry

    b)The Li Lian case has a lot of room for additional hardware

    c) The power supply i suggested 1Kw PCpower and cooling is used by nvidia for dual 8800 GTX sli displays

    d) It allow for degradation of power supply components over time
  19. Come to Alberta if you can. No PST. But you sound to young to drive... haha.
  20. rogerdandy said:
    Come to Alberta if you can. No PST. But you sound to young to drive... haha.

    This is aimed at who ?
  21. A Corsair 620W PSU can run a Quad core intel setup with 2 8800 GTX's SLI.

    So 1K is generally overkill.

    Even so, for such a high performance build, it might be silly to get a PSU with less than 850W.
  22. the other thing with the pc power and cooling is the additional stability you get from buying quality
  23. oakley said:
    This is aimed at who ?

    you want to cut the prices ?

    find a better reseller. try to get a package deal,
    find a job at a reseller spot.

    my advice...

    4gig ram is too much right now. get 2x1gb first... ( unless you want a 64bit vista with drivers messed-up )
    any 680i mobo is good ? i prefer intel chipsets... P35 seems good and can end-up cheaper. p5k deluxe could be it... but the GA-P35-DQ6 seems an awesome board too
    the raptor doesn't give much more speed. and 10k rpm is old tech... ssd are comming, ramdrives are frequently used... then, you could use a good quality PSU over 650W and it would be ok...
    some ocz flex has watercooling plugs already... it could be worth checking.
    Q6600 is the same cpu as kentsfield xeon 3220 ( version for socket 775 ). prices could be different
    use the onboard sound card, it's already good.
    i would also begin with ONE video card... then. IF everything runs as you want, you can get another...

    as you're in BC, you could just buy from ontario and save PST or buy some stock separately from NCIX which has good specials sales every week.

    use that link and punch in what's going to be built and you come up with less than 750W at peak load with 15% capacitor aging, a Q6600 @ 3.6Ghz and 1.4V, 2x OC'd GTX's, 2x Ram modules, 1 DVD burner, 4x LED 120mm fans, a Swiftech 655 pump, a soundcard, and 2 cathodes.

    So something like an 850w power supply will provide power for future upgrades. Since it is very rare that a CPU will utilize 100% of TDP even during gaming.

    Oh and back to the point about the raptor X compared to the regular raptor. They are the same thing except one has a window, however capacity does make a performance difference.
  25. I will just start off by listing what I would buy considering your budget and needs. Like everyone else has said you are spending a lot of money for a slight performance boost and you would be better with 95% of the performance for 70% of the cost. Prices are in U.S. dollars since I don't know what stores you will buy from in Canada.

    Case: One you picked out $280

    Mobo: EVGA NForce 680i LT SLI $170 (680i LT SLI provides equal performance to the 680i SLI boards but loses the third PCIe x16 slot and comes in cheaper as well)

    CPU: One you picked out $300

    VGA: 8800GTS 640 $400 (the 8800 series has been around for about 9 months and getting two 8800gtx's or ultras could be a major regrettable decision if the next gen cards blow them away. You would be better off getting a single 8800 GTS now and sitting on the money until you see what the 8900 series has to offer. Unless you are playing at insane resolutions a single 8800 GTS will handle any game out today).

    RAM: 4GB (2x2GB) Mushkin DDR2 800 $250 (I would go with two sticks of 2GB each for a total of 4GB since DDR2 prices are insanely low at the moment. You could get RAM with tighter timings or higher speed, but ideally you would want to run your RAM 1:1 with the fsb and you won't be getting an overclock higher than a 400fsb on a quad core; so why spend the extra money?)

    POWER SUPPLY: Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W $380 (The PS is one place you should spend and go a bit overboard. The Thermaltake 1200W received better reviews than the OCZ or PC Power & Cooling 1000 Watt units. It has all the connectors you will need today and even some for tomorrow.)

    OS Hard Drive: Western Digital 74GB Raptor $150

    Storage Hard Drive: Samsung 500GB SATA drive $110 (500GBs is becoming the sweet spot for price and capacity. The Samsung drives are reasonably fast and quiet)

    DVD Burner: One you picked out $50

    Sound Card: Use Onboard

    Water Cooling: $400

    TOTAL PRICE: $2490

    I don't see any reason why you would be disappointed in the present or near future performance of this system.
  26. Although I agree with you Mr_Wang you gotta remember he's a Canadian and you gotta convert all that into Kanuck money.
  27. Well, if you are buying in canada, i'd recommend probably the cheapest prices i've seen in canada.. ever. And at Mr.Wang, if he is buying all that top notch hardware, why would he wanna skimp out on a soundcard? The soundcard he had listed was priced only at 50 something bucks, so why not?
  28. I agree with both of you guys about the soundcard. On one side I figure $50, yeah why not. On the other side I figure $50, probably not that great of a soundcard. Honestly I'd just wait on the soundcard till I found out how the sound really was. Sound quality is partly opinion.
  29. considering you have dumped so much cash into this. that probably means your current rig is pretty decent? I'd recommend waiting just like you were contemplating. X38 and Penryn are around the corner. And the G90 series is also a Q4 release possibly...(atleast that's what the plan was for nvidia). Last thing I want to see is for you to buy this rig then kick yourself when all this new tasty hardware comes out. Esepcially considering how these current DX10 cards won't really be able to run on high resolutions with higher settings. I'm planning to build myself an enthusiast build as well. But, until Q3/Q4 baring with my 3.2 prescott and x700...although it is tough....

    Don't get tempted by everyones responses just you have a decent rig atm just wait it out and save your self a major upgrade. Penryn = cooler temps...and a improvement in performance thanks to all it's new goodies. G90 = MUCH more powerful then the g80 series. the 8800 GTX is around 512 gflops when the g90 will be right neart or slightly above the tflop barrier. The g92 is already stated to be above 1 tflop. Floating point is said to be 2-3 times more powerful on the g90 series to the g80. Overall it's a tough wait. But last thing I want to do is have to ugprade when all this new jazz comes out. Always best to nab them near release for a short yet long period of non introduction of new hardware. This way your rig will live longer before you have to get another one.
  30. Kamrooz is right about things being "just around the corner" but there is ALWAYS something just around the corner.
  31. The OP's current system is a P4 with a 6600GT, so he is in need of an upgrade. Penryn will probably be faster and more efficient than C2Q, but it will also be much more expensive. Getting a Q6600 for around $300 in two weeks is going to be more than enough CPU power for the next 2-3 years. Penryn isn't going to be as evolutionary as C2D was, its going to be more of a die shrink and native quad core. A quad core CPU that should easily overclock to 3.0GHz or higher isn't going to become obsolete anytime soon.

    The 8900 series could offer a major performance boost and that is why I said buy an 8800GTS now and see what the next gen has to offer. He gets a great card now and in six months time if the performance is there he can upgrade without kicking himself.

    Integrated sound has come a long way in the past couple of years to the point that for 90% of people it will suit their needs. Its CPU usage is minimal and the quality has reached that of an add in card. Why spend money you don't have to? If it doesn't suit his needs he can upgrade that easily at any time.
  32. TBRRBR: True that there is something always around the corner. But x38 and penryn (for penryn it was atleast the plan...not sure if it will happen q3) are stated for Q3..there is only a month and a half left in this 3rd quarter! >_< for a few extra weeks of waiting it seems worth it. Plus..The fact that he's dumping THIS much into a computer should mean he has the funds. Penryn is just a shirnk but they've also added a lot of new features and improvements in many different areas which should justify the buy. Also with the x38 that chipset should be an overclocking monster hopefully. Also the introduction of PCI Express 2.0 in the x38 will atleast future proof him in the aspect he won't have to swap out for a new mobo in the future if he wants a cutting edge graphics card. He can just swap the GFX card with something new and take advantage of that double bandwith that pci express 2.0 offers. The longest wait would be the G90...Overall if he is gonna buy now getting a GTS 320 or 640 woul dbe the best choice. So he can see what the next gen has to offer which are "right around the corner" as well. Overall I know waiting does suck. Always something new coming out. True C2D was much more evolutionary compared to the upcoming penryn. But coupled with a x38 mobo you might save yourself an extra year or so with the pci express 2.0 path. Penryn may be a shrink but they did some reworking with it by adding new features.

    Overall it's up to you man...Whichever path you take should be justified enough. The new price drops will be nice indeed. But for my situation...Considering how my financial situations always erratically changes...I'm going to just wait till x38/penryn/g90 are here. I might jump the gun and nab a x38 and penryn with a x1950....For temporary until the g90 series and ATI r700 are out. I could always just take the x1950 and pop it in my current rig as a second system. Heck..That way I could atleast 2 box upcoming mmorpg's ^_^.
  33. uhhhhh ok after reading all of the very helpful responses in which i am very grateful for getting, i have now decided to wait... yes wait more and more. I was in fact actually waiting for the c2d when it was originally coming out, then i waited for the R600, and now of course im waiting for penryn and the g90, but i suppose it is more than justified with all the new technological improvements on penryn with high k or however u spell it.. etc..

    and as was mentioned, yes i am pouring loads into this system, so i would think it the smart decision to wait, so i am not forced to kill or rather, kick myself for not being patient; since of course the c2d has been out for a considerable amount of time as with the 8800s.. so waiting 1 more month i suppose wont kill me.
  34. smart choice ^_^...The x38's should be coming out VERY soon. The penryn processors are stated for a q3 launch but not sure just yet. With the current price cuts coming....n penryn shortly behind maybe a month or two. For the g90 you'd probably have to wait till near the end of Q4 for that one. Why not nab a penryn/x38 and a cheap/decent graphics card to hold you off till the g90 and r700 show up?. Cause if you decide to wait for the g90 you might be waiting for quite some time.....hehe...

    I'm planning to take a similar route if I can't wait any longer. X38, penryn, and a x1950xt to last me a while till the G90 comes out. That'll also give me time to fine tweak and overclock while I wait for the g90/r700 ^_^.
  35. maverick7 said:

    canadian prices

    Wow, my build was very similar in most respects but was barely over $3,000. Them Canadian prices are high. Of course I went with GTX's and just OC'ed CPU and GPU's
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