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Will OC'ing a C2D 4300, Outperform the e6300?

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July 17, 2007 8:48:39 AM

EDIT: so I picked intel over amd.

Bought a nice motherboard that will support my cpu. I put the following as my most recent message at the bottom of this thread.

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Man, I don't know what to do.. The only two difference I see looking at the 4300 comapred to the 6300 is:

The e4300 is 800 FSB

VS.

The e6300 is 1066 FSB and the e6300 supports "Virtualization Technology Support"


That's all I see. If I buy the e4300, and OC it to 3.0 ghz (which everyone is doing safely - with a better heatsink & fan)

It should do just as good as the 6300... and I can save my $30 right?"
July 17, 2007 3:42:49 PM

Yeah definitely. I have my e4300 at 3.04 GHz on stock volts. The core 2's have a better GHz/performance ratio too.
July 17, 2007 9:47:07 PM

Alright.

I was curious on how much the L2 cache plays a role in the performance (Intel's shared I believe? and AMD has two seperate cache, correct?)

Intel is 1.8ghz - shared cache? (but can be OC'ed to 3.0)
Amd is 2.6 - seperate cache?

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

My next questions are:

1 Does the cache of the two effect performance with how they are setup?
2 WHICH motherboard should I use (and budget-wise) to OC the e4300? (Give me a few so I have a selection)
3 WHICH motherboard should I use to OC 5200?
4 How much better would each do when OC'ed?
5 WHICH would be the best performer after alteration?


Thanks
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July 18, 2007 12:51:56 AM

1)Dunno, just look at the new 2007 CPU charts http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/07/16/cpu_charts_2007/index.html
2)Boards with p965 or p35 are good, but it doesn't really matter cuz you wont be raising the FSB much to get to 3GHz.
3)Dunno about AMD boards, but it doesn't matter that much cuz the CPU's usually the limit for AMD processors, not the Mobo.
4)I'm guessing 3GHz for both, maybe
5)e4300. At 3GHz, put it slightly above the e6700.

Bottom line: If you're going to overclock, get the e4300; if not, get the X2 5200.
July 18, 2007 8:53:36 AM

Right now Im trying to decide between an OC'ed intel 4300 or buying an e6300.

Advice?
July 18, 2007 3:08:59 PM

OC'ed 4300 will beat a e6300.
OC'ed e6300 will beat an OC'ed e4300.
Most likely...
July 18, 2007 5:31:50 PM

Someone mentioned to me something about th ecpu throttling differently when it's OC'ed.

Will that effect performance of an OC'ed cpu?
July 18, 2007 5:44:35 PM

It wont throttle unless it's too hot. Just make sure you have adequate cooling. The stock HSF is usually enough to do a good overclock.
July 18, 2007 10:37:03 PM

with my tr-120x and my ga965p ds3 rev 1.3 i have my e4300 running at 3420mghz and it idles at 25c and max load is 48c...
July 18, 2007 11:02:13 PM

javimars said:
with my tr-120x and my ga965p ds3 rev 1.3 i have my e4300 running at 3420mghz and it idles at 25c and max load is 48c...

What volts? What temperature monitor are you using? Post your temps using CoreTemp 0.95.
July 18, 2007 11:23:26 PM

damn that's impressive.

I already bought an asrock motherboard for intel core duo...

Now I'm trying to decide on either the e4300 or the e6300 (Only a $30 difference.)

does the e4300 OC'ed compare to the e6300? OR should I just get the e6300... cause that's what I'm thinking.
July 19, 2007 1:53:09 AM

vcore is at 1.45
temp1:36c
temp2:28c
temp3:-1c
core 0:24c
core 1:25c
fsb 380*9
memory @950 4-4-4-10(skill hkz 6400)
July 19, 2007 1:58:59 AM

equivocality said:
damn that's impressive.

I already bought an asrock motherboard for intel core duo...

Now I'm trying to decide on either the e4300 or the e6300 (Only a $30 difference.)

does the e4300 OC'ed compare to the e6300? OR should I just get the e6300... cause that's what I'm thinking.


did you buy the asrock dualvsta or the asrock 4coredualvsta? if you bought the 4coredualvsta get the q6600. if you got the asrock dualvsta then wait for after july 22nd and get either the e4500 or the e4600 if its out
July 19, 2007 3:42:44 AM

equivocality said:

vcore is at 1.45
temp1:36c
temp2:28c
temp3:-1c
core 0:24c
core 1:25c
fsb 380*9
memory @950 4-4-4-10(skill hkz 6400)


Nice job, but you're using Speedfan for the temps. Speedfan reads the e4300 temperature at 15C below what it actually is. Download Coretemp 0.95 or add 15C to your core temps.
July 19, 2007 7:46:15 AM

Actually, I can OC the 6300 as well, can't I? And get up to 3.0 ghz?



Man, I don't know what to do.. The only two difference I see looking at the 4300 comapred to the 6300 is:

The e4300 is 800 FSB

VS.

The e6300 is 1066 FSB and the e6300 supports "Virtualization Technology Support"


That's all I see. If I buy the e4300, and OC it to 3.0 ghz (which everyone is doing safely - with a better heatsink & fan)

It should do just as good as the 6300... and I can save my $30 right?
July 19, 2007 2:03:12 PM

Yeah, OCed e6300 has a slightly better chance of going ahead. With the e4300, you don't have to spend money on a high overclocking Mobo because the FSB is lower. I'd go with the e4300 because the performance difference when OCed will be minimal.
July 19, 2007 2:03:56 PM

alpine_sc said:
Nice job, but you're using Speedfan for the temps. Speedfan reads the e4300 temperature at 15C below what it actually is. Download Coretemp 0.95 or add 15C to your core temps.


speedfan,core temp and everest reads the temp all the same. 25c idle 48c load.

equivocality- remember your motherbord goes as high as 300fsb max.little higher with modding but theres danger in doing that. the e6300 has a locked multiplier of 7 so highest oc you'll get is 300x7=2100mghz as for the e4300(muliplier of 9) or the e4400(mulipliwer of 10)you'll get more mghz out of. yes the e6300 is a fsb of 1066 and both e4300 and e4400 have fsb of 800 but you can do an easy mod to both e4300 and e4400 that sets them both at fsb of 1066.
highest oc-
e4300= 300x9=2700mghz
e4400= 300x10=3000mghz
e4500= 300x11=3300mghz

if you buy any of the e4xxx chips and later you want to upgrade your motherbord, dont get any of the gigabyte 965p xxx. they all GREAT motherbords BUT with the e4xxx theres a fsb wall of 400. the strap dont allow you to either hit 400fsb or higher. with any other motherbord you can surpass 400fsb but you have to do the chip mod and turn them from 800fsb to 1066fsb....if had a diff motherbord i would of easily hit 3.6ghz. im not complaining of my 3420mghz but im stuck with my ram @950mghz 4-4-4-10 when i can easily hit 1200mghz @ 5-5-5-15
July 19, 2007 3:47:45 PM

javimars said:
speedfan,core temp and everest reads the temp all the same. 25c idle 48c load.


I still think that's way to low at 3.4 GHz. In CoreTemp 0.95, what is the value for Tjunction?
July 19, 2007 7:06:04 PM

so the e4300 can reach a FSB of 1066 safely?

Im just curious if the e4300 running at 2.4ghz or 3.0ghz (the fsb will be raised as well, right?) will perform better than the e6300 at 1.8ghz.
... will it? :) 
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July 19, 2007 7:44:59 PM

equivocality said:
so the e4300 can reach a FSB of 1066 safely?

Im just curious if the e4300 running at 2.4ghz or 3.0ghz (the fsb will be raised as well, right?) will perform better than the e6300 at 1.8ghz.
... will it? :) 

Safely? not really - if it could "safely" run at 1066 Intel would have sold it as such. ok... kidding aside it will go way beyond 1066... today's overclocking marathon build was stable (that was probably the word you were looking for) at 350MHz (which is 1400 - vs 1066 that you asked)

All the reviews on for the core 2 duo's show the only real number in comparing one core 2 vs another is the clock speed, overall less than 1% difference between two cpu's at the same clock speed with different FSB/multipliers. So with a 4300 at 1.8GHz stock and the 6300 at 1.86 - as soon as you overclock the e4300 past 1.86GHz it will be faster (which is a measly 7MHz FSB increase)
July 20, 2007 1:54:59 AM

alpine_sc said:
I still think that's way to low at 3.4 GHz. In CoreTemp 0.95, what is the value for Tjunction?


i use a p180 case with 1 120mm blowing in and 2 120mm blowing out with a 120mm attached to my tr-120xblowing towards it. about to order 3 very powerfull 120mm fans and a smaller fan for my nb so i can lower temps even more. i thought of watercooling but its sorta of useless down here in orlando, florida. too much humidity will cause the setup to "sweat"
July 20, 2007 4:13:26 PM

javimars said:
i use a p180 case with 1 120mm blowing in and 2 120mm blowing out with a 120mm attached to my tr-120xblowing towards it. about to order 3 very powerfull 120mm fans and a smaller fan for my nb so i can lower temps even more. i thought of watercooling but its sorta of useless down here in orlando, florida. too much humidity will cause the setup to "sweat"


I understand that your have really good cooling, but to have your core temp almost ambient? I'm just trying to make sure. You haven't answered my question: in coreTemp 0.95, what is the value for Tjunction?
July 23, 2007 5:03:44 PM

Here's my overclock for the E4300: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=217559 (doesn't show voltage but it's at 1.375 in Bios). I get 36C idle in Coretemp 0.95 and SpeedFan reports it around 27C idle (not a 15 degree difference though). I can get it to overclock to 3.6 ghz but my PC6400 cant handle that high FSB, if I run a divider 1:1 I can do it though. Also it even posts at 4.0 ghz and can boot into windows but after 1 hour I get BSOD. I'm cooling it on just air too with Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. Its pretty great, since i have a P35 board I can also upgrade to a Q6600 G0 stepping if I ever need quad core.
July 23, 2007 8:54:31 PM

Cache does indeed help quite a bit. Both the E6600 and E4300 overclock finally to about the same level. The cache is the decider though.

Thats why if you wish to overclock, I always reccomend the e6420. 4mb cache and nice and cheap!!
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