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So should I buy a 8800 GTS or wait ?

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July 18, 2007 3:39:08 AM

Ok I 've done a bit of reading and people are saying even the DX10 cards now aren't running dx10 games that great (well the ones that are actually out).

Should I wait to buy this card or what ? I want a card that will play next gen games decent this is my first upgrade in about 5 years and i'll probably getting a whole new system I am pretty clueless when it comes to new pcs these days as i lost touch a while ago.

Do i Need a special PSU to power the 8800 gts card ? Also if you guys know how fast is Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 compared to an AMD Athlon 2400 in mhz?

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a b U Graphics card
July 18, 2007 4:11:49 AM

If youre planning on building your new system soon, Id get the 1950xt for now, or the 1950pro, theyre pretty cheap. Then when you upgrade itll save you some dough. If youre waiting to build, Id just wait til then for yes a G90 or R700. The 2 cards I mentioned are both great performers, and will last you thru this slowed down awiting for real DX10 games we are going thru
July 18, 2007 6:01:40 AM

when will the new cards come out ?
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a b U Graphics card
July 18, 2007 7:11:32 AM

The new cards are sposed to be out before the end of the year, which if you bought a 1950pro, which is a great bang for the buck card, and should at least give you most of the goodies youll want til they do, which by then youll have a few more bucks saved up, plus what youve already saved to apply to that next gen DX10, the ones many believe will be true DX10 cards
July 18, 2007 7:33:27 AM

There's always a better option if you wait, but waiting never gets anything done. I'd say get it if you need/want it.
July 18, 2007 8:04:02 AM

Well it depends on how much stress he's putting on his computer as of now most games run at max or near max on the X1950pro/xt below 1600x1200, unless you're planning on pushing Oblivion or any super high demand games/apps.

So, if you're the average joe playing games, the current DX9 cards will be plenty fine for most of today's games, though not the bleeding edge, it proves a great stopgap for DX10 to mature hardware and software side before making the leap.

Otherwise, buy a 8800.

Of course, either way with a supposed 5 year old setup you're going to need to overhaul everything, old PSU's won't meet spec for new mobos and whatnot.
a b U Graphics card
July 18, 2007 8:26:59 AM

If youre going to buy a card now, make sure its a agp, as I thi9nk thats your current system. The 1950pro comes in agp. As to the comparison of the 6300 to the 2800, heres something close to it, check all the benches as to get a better picture [http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1... amp;chart=165]
July 18, 2007 8:34:57 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
If youre going to buy a card now, make sure its a agp, as I thi9nk thats your current system. The 1950pro comes in agp. As to the comparison of the 6300 to the 2800, heres something close to it, check all the benches as to get a better picture [http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1... amp; amp;chart=165]


Hmm... I was going to upgrade my cpu as well so I would be getting a new motherboard with pci anyway. Can i just use my old PSU on my copmuter for my new setup ?
July 18, 2007 9:52:28 AM

first off, what's your budget?

DX10 games are going to be needing better graphics cards than are currently available, rumours are that the next raft of high end nvidia cards will be out in November, so overspending on graphics cards right now seems a waste, unless you know someone that is likely to buy off you whatever you buy now

chances are that the PSU you have now won't have the right connectors for an 8800

as for CPU, it makes no sense not to get a core2duo at the moment, as they overclock far too well to not get one
July 18, 2007 2:07:30 PM

andybird123 said:
first off, what's your budget?

DX10 games are going to be needing better graphics cards than are currently available, rumours are that the next raft of high end nvidia cards will be out in November, so overspending on graphics cards right now seems a waste, unless you know someone that is likely to buy off you whatever you buy now

chances are that the PSU you have now won't have the right connectors for an 8800

as for CPU, it makes no sense not to get a core2duo at the moment, as they overclock far too well to not get one



well I can tell you that my budget is about 700 to 800 australian dollars and the 8800 GTS is about $360 here. My PSU at the moment is just the standard one cost me like $20
July 18, 2007 2:33:53 PM

The most important question is what gfx card do you have now?

The more decent card you have now, the less good an option it is to buy a new one. If you are running an ancient / low end card it would be worth it to upgrade.
July 18, 2007 4:23:11 PM

I have a radeon 9600 (extreme)
July 18, 2007 4:55:01 PM

if your current setup can handles x1950pro or xt then get it. if you are planning to get a dx10 cards, then you have to get all the new stuffs, like psu,cpu,motherboard, and rams. get what u need now, if you wait for better/cheaper parts then you can wait forever.
July 18, 2007 6:26:54 PM

stedyedy said:
I have a radeon 9600 (extreme)


In which case upgrade - you will notice a huge improvement from that card to an 8800GTS.

Oh, and go with an Intel C2D chip if you are going to overclock. Only consider an AMD chip if you're not going to.
July 19, 2007 11:06:50 AM

Stedyedy - I was going through almost the same decision process here (UK) 2 weeks ago. I was hoping to just update graphics card for now and replace whole thing in 12-18 months.

I've decided it's not worth it because the new AGP card will be useless when I do replace and go to C2D later and the new DDR RAM I was eyeing up would also have been useless.

I don't know what prices are like there but if your budget allows then my advice is to look to go to C2D and get the X1950 (either Pro or XT if you can). I've decided to go for the E6xxx series of processors but they do come considerably cheaper in the form of the E4xxx series and they apparently overclock very well. Good luck
July 19, 2007 1:06:04 PM

stedyedy said:
well I can tell you that my budget is about 700 to 800 australian dollars and the 8800 GTS is about $360 here. My PSU at the moment is just the standard one cost me like $20


what hardware are you currently running?
basically it sounds like you're needing to do a whole new system build, which for gaming I would say you need to spend more like double the budget you're talking about

you can probably re-use your current case, but you'll need new mobo, cpu, memory and graphics

a very good budget build would be something like;

Gigabyte GA-N650SLI-DS4 (this will allow you to SLI the 8800 which would be the cheapest route to getting Crysis to run with full settings - alternatively you could go for a GA-965P-DS3 which is about $80 less, but then you'd be looking at selling the 8800 and getting an nvidia 9xxx when they come out at the end of the year) http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

E2140 (will overclock to 3ghz+ very easily) try to get the OEM one without a cooler
http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

Tuniq Tower 120 or Thermalright Ultra 120 or;
http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

2gb generic DDR2-800
http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

8800 GTS-640
http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

for a power supply; e.g. http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

that all comes to $AUD 1062, add about another $80 to get the N650

I would really suggest against getting a 320mb GTS as I have games already (principally GRAW2) which won't let you select Textures: High if you have less than 400mb of texture memory, although if you don't mind playing on medium then the 320 could be a stop gap till the 9xxx series (which would then get you down to your 800 limit just about)
July 20, 2007 6:16:27 AM

andybird123 said:
what hardware are you currently running?
basically it sounds like you're needing to do a whole new system build, which for gaming I would say you need to spend more like double the budget you're talking about

you can probably re-use your current case, but you'll need new mobo, cpu, memory and graphics

a very good budget build would be something like;

Gigabyte GA-N650SLI-DS4 (this will allow you to SLI the 8800 which would be the cheapest route to getting Crysis to run with full settings - alternatively you could go for a GA-965P-DS3 which is about $80 less, but then you'd be looking at selling the 8800 and getting an nvidia 9xxx when they come out at the end of the year) http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

E2140 (will overclock to 3ghz+ very easily) try to get the OEM one without a cooler
http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

Tuniq Tower 120 or Thermalright Ultra 120 or;
http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

2gb generic DDR2-800
http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

8800 GTS-640
http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

for a power supply; e.g. http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

that all comes to $AUD 1062, add about another $80 to get the N650

I would really suggest against getting a 320mb GTS as I have games already (principally GRAW2) which won't let you select Textures: High if you have less than 400mb of texture memory, although if you don't mind playing on medium then the 320 could be a stop gap till the 9xxx series (which would then get you down to your 800 limit just about)


thanks awesome post helped alot, I don't know anything about overclocking so I'll probably just get this deal from http://www.fluidtek.com.au/ which would not include any cooling stuff or anything I wanna try keep it pretty simple so this is what I'm looking at which is pretty cheap, I will try get my dad to pay for DDR2 ram so that my computer can be used by the family with the ddr1 ram to go into the old comp and the rest I will use. This is what I was looking at

The 8800 gts 640mb for $500 is probably a bit to much for my budget I was looking at the 6800 GTS but after reading reviews about it just decided to go for the next one up, I don't really wanna have to go up again...

$330 = Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 + Asrock 775Dual-VSTA mainboard , actually I may get that motherboard you recommended without the SLI ( I didn't know what SLI but I looked it up and its running to graphics cards at once?)

Do I really need that expensive power supply can't I just use my old cheap one?
July 20, 2007 9:25:12 AM

you could risk something like this;
http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

but without seeing what the specs are on it I'd be reticent about really recommending it (some generic 500W PSU's work out to be more like 350W when you get the real specs on them), I personally have a "generic" 450W PSU running a similar setup, but I was able to get hold of all the specs before hand to check them over, I paid £30 for mine, which is about $70

SLI is running 2 nvidia cards of the same type to get nearly double the performance - 2 GTS-640s will be awesome for running Crysis, to plan on SLI-ing you'd need to get the PSU I listed

DO NOT get that Asrock board - just search the forums for people complaining about how much trouble they are, and at the price you've listed that's a rip off

there's really no reason not to overclock an E processor, the mobo and proc combo I've listed is nearly $100 less than what you've specced

just do a search on google for "E2140 Overclock" and you'll find loads of places where people list exactly what settings they've used to get a particular overclock, e.g.
No voltage adjustments, C1E Off, EIST Off
PCIE freq. 100
Memory Ratio 2.0
FSB 398
= 3184 core speed

all these settings listed above will make a lot more sense once you've bought and put together a PC with the parts I've listed, feel free to PM me if you go ahead with this as I've listed and need any help

here's a good guide that will walk you through where those settings are on a gigabyte board (though you'd want to use the settings I've posted above rather than the ones in this guide):
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=606&p=2
a b U Graphics card
July 20, 2007 1:52:40 PM

Yes, youll need a better psu. Get a good brand name psu, 500watts or more, at least 30 amps on the 12 volt rails. As you look into them youll understabd what Im saying. 30 Amps on the 12 volt rails (thats combined) as most in that size hve two 12 volt rails, running around 18 to 20 amps PER rail.
July 20, 2007 4:16:49 PM

andybird123 said:
you could risk something like this;
http://www.itestate.com.au/products_detail.asp?code=PD0...

but without seeing what the specs are on it I'd be reticent about really recommending it (some generic 500W PSU's work out to be more like 350W when you get the real specs on them), I personally have a "generic" 450W PSU running a similar setup, but I was able to get hold of all the specs before hand to check them over, I paid £30 for mine, which is about $70

SLI is running 2 nvidia cards of the same type to get nearly double the performance - 2 GTS-640s will be awesome for running Crysis, to plan on SLI-ing you'd need to get the PSU I listed

DO NOT get that Asrock board - just search the forums for people complaining about how much trouble they are, and at the price you've listed that's a rip off

there's really no reason not to overclock an E processor, the mobo and proc combo I've listed is nearly $100 less than what you've specced

just do a search on google for "E2140 Overclock" and you'll find loads of places where people list exactly what settings they've used to get a particular overclock, e.g.
No voltage adjustments, C1E Off, EIST Off
PCIE freq. 100
Memory Ratio 2.0
FSB 398
= 3184 core speed

all these settings listed above will make a lot more sense once you've bought and put together a PC with the parts I've listed, feel free to PM me if you go ahead with this as I've listed and need any help

here's a good guide that will walk you through where those settings are on a gigabyte board (though you'd want to use the settings I've posted above rather than the ones in this guide):
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=606&p=2



cool that sounds like a good idea but Would I need any extra things to overclock the e2140? Like a special cooling case or something but It does sound a little hard to do and i wouldn't wanna get the cpu and try overclocking it but then find out i need to buy all sorts of other things.
July 20, 2007 4:28:26 PM

all you'll need is a decent CPU cooler (such as the one I listed)

some people pushing the very limits of overclocking get special cases etc. to allow them to get that last 100mhz, but for the type of setting you'll be using (e.g. FSB 375 to get 3GHZ CPU), any case will be ok
July 20, 2007 5:18:24 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
If youre planning on building your new system soon, Id get the 1950xt for now, or the 1950pro, theyre pretty cheap. Then when you upgrade itll save you some dough. If youre waiting to build, Id just wait til then for yes a G90 or R700. The 2 cards I mentioned are both great performers, and will last you thru this slowed down awiting for real DX10 games we are going thru

I agree, get the 1950XT. That can play any DX9 game very well.
Wait a year or so for the next-gen DX10 cards, they will be much more usable (current cards will choak when native DX10 cards come out) No proof, but even ported DX10 games make current high-end cards crawl.
July 20, 2007 6:05:15 PM

So performance wise is this better than a e6300 ?
a b U Graphics card
July 20, 2007 6:13:41 PM

It's a tough call an the two solutions have merit.

Getting an X1950 allows you to save the difference towards the nice new cards that are coming.

Getting the GTS-320 means you have it now andmaybe can resell later to recoup some of the difference.

IMO it sepends alot on the games you play and the settings you play, especially resolution. Then do you want to play DX10 features slowly or do you not care and can wait.

Resolution may play a big factor, as well as the expectations for games like Crysis.
July 20, 2007 6:44:48 PM

I was thinking of getting the EVGA one and hope that in 90days the 640mb or gtx will be cheaper to do the step-up program (i've not really read how it works yet though). Even if they don't I reckon i'll still have a sweet card =)
July 20, 2007 9:53:49 PM

luskan said:
I was thinking of getting the EVGA one and hope that in 90days the 640mb or gtx will be cheaper to do the step-up program (i've not really read how it works yet though). Even if they don't I reckon i'll still have a sweet card =)


I'd say that you've got little chance on that - there is no competition coming out for these cards until G90 comes out towards the end of the year, so I can't see the prices of the top end nVidias coming down for a while.
June 30, 2008 5:43:44 AM

which is a better motherboard gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3, GA-N650SLI-DS4L or MSI P6N SlI Platinum? please reply ASAP because i am thinking of buying any one of these three!
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