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July 23, 2007 6:06:20 PM

before i start, let me give you my pc specs:

Asus A8V Deluxe Motherboard (S939)
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ (2.4ghz Stock - OC@ 2.7Ghz)
3gb DDR 400 Dual Channel
2x WD 160gb SATA 150 Raid 0 Mode - WD 250Gb SATA 150 (Backup)
Thermaltake TWV 500W ATX 12V 2.2 Power Supply
LG 19" LCD Monitor

Now.. i had an Evga 7800GS OC AGP8x 256mb DDR3 256bits clocked @ 430Mhz Core and 1300Mhz memory. i overclocked @ 475Mhz Core and 1380Mhz Memory without any problems. My game that i used for my benchmark is F.E.A.R
I had around 138fps for the maximum frame rate and 35fps for the minimum @ 1024x768 with everything max out.

Not long ago, i bought the ATI Powercolor X1950PRO 512mb DDR3 256bits clocked @ 575Mhz Core and 1380Mhz Memory. i overclocked @ 621Mhz Core and 1575Mhz Memory without any problems.
in F.E.A.R, I had 202fps for the maximum and 61fps for the minimum @ 1024x768 with everything max out. That's was cool but my ATI card's keep crashing in windows. In games, no problems, can game like 4 hours and never crashed but in windows, anything i can do, it just freeze or crash and restart the computer. (It was worst when i had catalyst installed)

So now i send my ATI back on RMA but can't have those no more where i shop for my stuff. Powercolor don't seem to have a RMA service on there web site. So i have to upgrade to PCI-Express. Just need to change my board from ASUS A8V Deluxe to A8V-E Deluxe wich i have where i work (computer store).
So my question is this:
Wich one is better between those cards:

MSI NX8600GTS-T2D256E OC 256MB DDR3 (128bits) 700Mhz Core / 2100Mhz Memory
ASUS EAX1950PRO CROSSFIRE 256MB DDR3 (256bits) 581Mhz Core / 1400Mhz Memory

Now i tought that DDR3 was always 256bits but it's look like in the 8600 model, there only 128bits but clocking is alot more than the ATI who's at 256bits. is the memory interface more important than clocking???

I don't wanna loose power in my games that i already have but games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R or Dark Messiah of Might and Magic demand a bit more than what my Evga 7800GS AGP8x can give.

So wich one should i buy??

Sorry for the bad writing :kaola: 

Thanks for all your comments.

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a c 130 U Graphics card
July 23, 2007 7:42:29 PM

Are you planning to use the 1950 pro in cross fire as im not sure but some times the crossfire editions are dearer than normal ones.
Anyway the 1950pro will eat the 8600 alive the 8600 is a bad gamers card.
Mactronix
July 23, 2007 7:48:04 PM

For now, no because my motherboard's not Crossfire ready... but when i'll upgrade, it will be SLI or Crossfire ready and i'll choose the card a that time...

So you think that the 1950Pro will beat the 8600... good cause it's cheaper hehe Thanks for your reply. ill go with the ATI.
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July 23, 2007 7:48:13 PM

I don't think your original X1950Pro was defective, in fact you most likely had either drivers conflicting or your PSU not able to give enough power. There are some instances where removing from control panel does not properly remove the driver (even if it said it did) and adding a new one just creates conflict. This is why whenever I add a new piece of hardware I do a clean installation of Windows to route any potential problems before they show up (Yeah, a bit of an overkill, but makes me feel a lot more comfortable)

Back on subject, you should go with the X1950Pro (Don't even think of buying a GF8 that isn't 8800 or HD2k that isn't HD2900), but I don't know much about ATI's crossfire edition cards, maybe try to find a regular one? (it shouldn't affect, but I've never owned a Crossfire edition card so I really can't tell)
July 23, 2007 7:54:24 PM

actually, i tried all drivers from ati, from 6.8 to 7.6 and even the one from powercolor 7.2 and the one on cd was 7.1
i used driver cleaner to remove my drivers.
My PSU have over 38A on the +12V ... i think it's enough ??
Cause... when i put back my Evga 7800GS, where it was freezing with the ATI, it doesn't do it with the Nvidia.
it's been around 12 hours that my NVidia's back in my pc and no freeze at all.
With the other one, about 10min in windows and it freeze. I got all my driver up to date, even did a Bios Update on my motherboard but it changed nothing. And i don't wanna do a bios update on my ATI Card cause it'll void the warranty.
Thank for your reply I'll go with the ATI 1950 Pro.
July 23, 2007 8:03:27 PM

mactronix said:
Are you planning to use the 1950 pro in cross fire as im not sure but some times the crossfire editions are dearer than normal ones.
Anyway the 1950pro will eat the 8600 alive the 8600 is a bad gamers card.
Mactronix



ill go with this one instead

ASUS EXTREME AX1950PRO 256MBDDR3 256BIT.. 35$ cheaper..
i dunno why i choose CROSSFIRE... (d'oh) :lol: 
July 23, 2007 8:05:57 PM

You didn't mention that you did ALL THAT and that you had a decent PSU, so yeah the card was probably faulty. And good choice on the X1950Pro.
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 23, 2007 8:20:06 PM

Yes thats more like it thought maybee you had made a mistake there glad to be able to save you a few bucks.
Mactronix
July 23, 2007 11:41:49 PM

All 1950Pro cards are crossfire. It's built into the card as standard same as HD2xxx.
a b U Graphics card
July 24, 2007 12:19:01 AM

djthewizz said:
ill go with this one instead

ASUS EXTREME AX1950PRO 256MBDDR3 256BIT.. 35$ cheaper..
i dunno why i choose CROSSFIRE... (d'oh) :lol: 


Good choice.

The only difference between the crossfire editions and the non-Crossfire editions is the guarante that the internal Bridges are included in the packaging. It's different than the older model where the cards were physically different, but now the Crossfire packaging/bundle just means it comes with the 2 ribbon cable bridges in the box. However the card is the same as the non-Crossfire cards.

Should you decide later to crossfire two cards together, then you can either buy a crossfire edition whcih will have enough for the 2 of them, or buy the bridges separately either from ATi or from an e-tailer.

http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=3186855
http://www.newegg.com/ Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814999002
July 24, 2007 4:39:15 AM

Cool - I didn't know that. I was wondering why the card I bought didn't have the connector but that explains it.
July 24, 2007 8:17:27 PM

Well... maybe it's a silly question but can a SLI motherboard run 2 ATI in crossfire mode ???? i dont think so since i saw some board saying Crossfire Ready cause i'm going for a SLI mother board after all but the only decent card i can have is the ATI 1950Pro 512mb DDR3 256bits.. The biggest card i can have in NVidia is the 7600GT 256mb 128bits
the board by the way is the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe.. i just hope the place i shop will have more Nvidia 79xx Series and no i don't shop online so don't bother telling me i can find some cards online :) 
But i'll try to save some $$ and get me some 8800 series card in SLI mode but they still expensive for my budget
Tanks for all your reply
a b U Graphics card
July 24, 2007 11:55:36 PM

You can run ATi cards in Crossfire mode in an SLi MoBo, but not easily, and really if you don't already know how, then I wouldn't recommend it, I'd simpply suggest getting a better single card.

IMO don't worry about Xfire or SLi, when you're ready to upgrade, sell your old card and buy a new better single one.

Probably by the time you consider an upgrade there'll be a GF8800GS or HD2900Pro style card that would likely still beat 2 X1950Pro in Xfire. I see no need to worry about a multi-card future with the X1K and GF7 generation at this point.
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